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Why I'm Against Space Travel Entirely....

Actually it is quite a challenge for scientists to find a way to build a docking system that can allow for transition without labyrinth apparati going haywire. I remember examining a study on this effect and how even 1g when pulled incorrectly can alter function enough to cause severe transient vertigo. I have no doubt that the folks at Cape Canaveral or at Huntsville have definite plans...but so far they've yet to make them public knowledge.

At any rate, it is fun to speculate.
 
They have already figured it out. While I was working at NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, the space station was originally planned to have a spinning section for general living conditions. That of course was scrapped by the congress as being too expensive.

Vertigo is a result of not knowing which is up or down. When both ships are matched to the same rotational velocity and stabilized, which is quite easily done with today's technology in control systems, docking becomes easy. The computers needed to process and carry out the docking manuevers and such are no better than your average pc.

Remember, there is no up or down in space. The larger problem is that in going from 0g to 1g you tend to get sick. Hence the name vomit comet for the training plane for astronaughts.
 
chesty said:

As for sex in space, how would you know it is not much fun Shaggs? I believe it would be quite fun and probably more exciting because you both would have to learn to work about the common cg of both bodies and that could really set up a rhytmic dance unmatched here on earth!

Used to live in Hunstville AL...been to the space center many a times...

I disagree....lack of gravity would cause less equal rhythm......think about it......take bouncing a ball.....you throw it...it hits the space ship floor in bounces up and keeps going.....physics is movement would continue in one direction without gravity, a greater extent of effort would need to be made to reverse that energy, most men lack the energy to sustain rhythmic stamina long enough WITH gravity......lack of gravity would allow for a very poor "rhythmic dance"...like Elaine on Seinfeld dancing.....

which brings me to 2 reasons I am Entirely Against Space Travel...
 
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but....................if the position was doggie style, that wouldn't matter, the guy would just be moving her back and forth, and slapping bodies going crazy. Besides, there is enough rebound off a healthy girls ass to get a good rythm going...:p
 
The most current research reflects that with the present designs there is no such thing as "up or down", since the problem with a spinning station would be that up and down would be replaced by East and West. This presents an entirely new set of problems with gravitational effects. Such as the g forces being substantially different the farther from the walls one got.

I've done a bit of research myself on gravity related matters: I have my M.A. in physics (and a B.A. in chemistry) and did my published graduate thesis on the application of gravitational factors in determining wave and particle theories in respect to the phenomenon of black holes. We should talk shop sometime. Wait, that's what were doing right now, sorry, nevermind.

Here are a couple of links that better illustrate the physiological effects as well as design problems inherent with what is currently public knowledge:

http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/artificial_gravity_and_the_architecture_of_orbital_habitats.shtml

http://www.complete-isp.com/mars/aero2.htm

http://maxpages.com/navelgazer/Artificial_Gravity

http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw18.html


One of the links describes the vertigo of which I spoke as well as goes into lengthy detail about how little we really do know about the long term effects of artificial gravity (such as fluid dynamics in the body).


In spite of my enjoyment of scholastic matters, I promise that I do work out. hehehe!

Take care
 
True we don't know the what long term efffects of space habitation would be. But for example, here on earth we stand on the surface of and gravity acts normal to the surfac towards the center of the earth (more or less) Given this, we feel the effects of this by the pull towards the surface and the effects of the gravitational acceleration acting on the fluid of our inner ear. Of course this is also affected by the spin of the earth. This is how we can determine up and down so to speak.

So, if we remove all other stimuli, say for example inside an elevator and accerlate it upwards at 1g (elevator in a zero g enviroment) we would not know the differnece between that accerlation and that due to gravity. (as long as the acceleration is constant) The only stimuli we would be lacking is the spin of the earth which tends to accerlate us away from the surface. (hence the balance between the pull of gravity andthe outward centripital force due to earth rotation.) So, how would the lack of the rotation affect our balance (unknown, but good question) I have abs in Aerospace Engineering and was working on my masters towards a phd in astronomy. Like quantum physics and gravity theory as well.
 
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Not true.
who says?...

Scientists Seek Keys to Muscle Loss in Space - and on Earth


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by KATHY MAJOR
Baylor College of Medicine
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Researchers tackling the problem of muscle loss in space hope to find solutions that also will benefit people with muscle-weakening conditions on Earth.


Dr. Robert Schwartz and laboratory technician
Kelly Cummings isolate DNA from transgenic
mice expressing growth hormone.

"In a weightless environment, astronauts quickly begin to lose muscle mass," says Dr. Robert Schwartz, muscle alterations and atrophy team leader for the National Space Biomedical Research Institute (NSBRI). "On Earth, similar muscle loss occurs in the elderly, in patients with nerve crush injuries or neuromuscular diseases, and in persons confined to their beds."

Astronauts lose 10 to 20 percent of their muscle mass on short missions. On long-term flights, like those on the Russian space station MIR or the proposed International Space Station, the muscle loss might rise to 50 percent without using countermeasures.

In addition to muscle loss, the fibers involved in muscle contractions change their contractile properties and are weakened. "Slow-twitch" muscles, which can influence posture and the ability to stand, are the most susceptible to weakening due to microgravity.

"Long-duration space travel and exploration will be risky without methods to control these muscle changes," says Dr. Schwartz, a professor of cell biology at Baylor College of Medicine. "The ability to escape after an emergency landing could be impaired."

The most likely solution will be a combination of resistance exercises, gene therapy and drug therapy. For Dr. Schwartz' team, the answers lie in a thorough examination of the mechanisms involved in muscle changes.

NSBRI muscle labs are studying changes during weightlessness that trigger muscle atrophy through protein breakdown and rapid changes in calcium. Another lab is determining if atrophy affects activity of motor neurons while others look for ways to control the loss of slow-twitch muscle through specific muscle genetic factors.

Potential drug therapies will initially be tested in healthy adults exposed to prolonged bed rest. Dr. Schwartz' team hopes to test a new drug produced by Merck that can increase growth hormone levels in the presence of high levels of glucocorticoids, hormones linked to muscle atrophy.

"We know that astronauts experience higher sustained glucocorticoid levels. In addition, while weightlessness is the major factor influencing muscle changes, sleep loss, poor light conditions and inadequate diet can add to the problem and depress growth hormone levels," he says. "Growth hormone, in combination with resistive exercise, is critical for maintenance of muscle."

The NSBRI muscle team's work is being complemented by NSBRI teams looking at other space health concerns such as bone loss, cardiovascular changes, balance disorders, sleep disturbances, radiation exposure, infections and immune response.

The NSBRI, a consortium headed by Baylor with Harvard Medical School, The Johns Hopkins University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Morehouse School of Medicine, Rice University and Texas A&M University, focuses on biomedical research related to the effects of long-term space flight on humans.

"As the NSBRI looks for ways to protect the health and safety of astronauts traveling to Mars or beyond, we expect to find solutions that will be equally applicable to health problems here on Earth," says Dr. Ronald White, NSBRI associate director.
 
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