Why doesnt everyone just use powdered ORALS??

[fullybuilt]

They are dirt cheap and seem pretty easy to use. Ok, there are like 100 jelewry scales on ebay for dirt cheap. They weigh up to 100grams and as low as .01gram. So, lets say I buy 5grams of proviron.Do you just weigh out like .025grams on the scale and thats 25mg proviron? Is it that simple. I don't mind weighing out each .025 measurment taking it 2x a day, or maybe just capping 2 per day? Is it really that simple. Same with aromasin, each .01 on the scale is 10grams?

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

i know people that do it...my var is capped like that

 

[blut wump]

Take a look at this thread...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480757

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

good thread bro...that link has some crazy info

 

[timtim]

awesome idea if you have access to powders. you make it sound like everyone has this option.

 

[drrman]

They are dirt cheap and seem pretty easy to use. Ok, there are like 100 jelewry scales on ebay for dirt cheap. They weigh up to 100grams and as low as .01gram. So, lets say I buy 5grams of proviron.Do you just weigh out like .025grams on the scale and thats 25mg proviron? Is it that simple. I don't mind weighing out each .025 measurment taking it 2x a day, or maybe just capping 2 per day? Is it really that simple. Same with aromasin, each .01 on the scale is 10grams?

how you gonna weigh out .025g on a .01g accuracy scale bro???

that scale reads to .01g, so if it is .0149, it will still read .01, or if it is .0051 it will still read .01, that is basically a 10mg swing right there

make sense? thats why you have to use the methods I outlined in this post

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480757


Originally Posted by ItalianMuscle27
For the first time, wouldnt you have to measure out each one individually? If you were off, you just did the same error 50x..




yes, if i undestand your question right....if you scales are only accurate to .01g as most cheaper ones are you would be best to fill up 50 capsules with filler powder, then dump it all out on the scales cap by cap....this is the weight of the filler powder that will fill up all the capsules.....divide that by 50 or however many are in the control group....that will be the weight each capsule contains of filler powder

now you would need to do the same with the powder you want to cap....find out how much one capsule will hold of it doing the same thing. here is where scales to the .001g or mg work best, you don't have to use so many in your control group.

now you have to figure out a ratio of difference for the amount of volume the filler powder contains per weight versus the powder you are capping....for example anavar weighs much more per cap than say winny will.

say your filler powder is .250g per capsule, and your powder is .350g per capsule, and you have 50 capsules and you are making 50mg/capsule

now 50X.250 is 12.50 grams total powder, but you are going to add .050 of another substance....

.050X50 = 2.5g

you would normally think 12.5-2.5 to get how much filler, but the volume of filler is .250g/capsule and the volume of powder is .350g/capsule, so the powder in question is denser than the filler so that has to be taken into account


i do it like this

.250/.350 is .71 so the filler powder is only 71% of the same comparable volume of the powder you are making. or a 29% difference, or 1-.71 or 29, use this number in the following

so now do 12.5g - [2.5 + (2.5 X (1-.71))] = 12.5-3.225 = 9.275g filler powder

now add 2.5g powder to that 9.275 and mix like hell, this will then fill all the capsules evenly
__________________

 

[Tux]

I just make batches of 50 caps at a time, much more accurate to weigh out 1.25g's or 2.5g's than 25mg. Add filler, thouroughly mix, and cap... easy and I do it with every powder I have except T3 and clen... wouldn't use those, too damn hard to measure accurately.

 

[drrman]

I just make batches of 50 caps at a time, much more accurate to weigh out 1.25g's or 2.5g's than 25mg. Add filler, thouroughly mix, and cap... easy and I do it with every powder I have except T3 and clen... wouldn't use those, too damn hard to measure accurately.

yes, but to do it precisely where the filler and powder fill each cap completely and evenly you will need to take the steps i outlined above......no other way around it if you want to do it with the utmost accuracy

 

[drrman]

I just make batches of 50 caps at a time, much more accurate to weigh out 1.25g's or 2.5g's than 25mg. Add filler, thouroughly mix, and cap... easy and I do it with every powder I have except T3 and clen... wouldn't use those, too damn hard to measure accurately.

and i have a perfect way to make clen in solution also, works out great and its very easy if you are interested

 

[kbrkbr]

It's SOOO much easier and accurate to simply suspend the powder in a solvent like 151 or everclear, then measure it out with an eye dropper.

 

[Kick-Ass Stack]

It's SOOO much easier and accurate to simply suspend the powder in a solvent like 151 or everclear, then measure it out with an eye dropper.

OK so I'm no Chemical Engineer, and it's been 4 years since my last chemistry class in school so riddle me this kbrkbr

If you suspend a given amount of powder may it be anavar, proviron, cialis, viagra, cocaine whatever in a given amount of everclear or 151. Now also suppose I suspend 1mg of my substance into this liquid. How can you be guaranteed that the dosage you take (say 1ml) is dosed correctly at 1mg?

I've taken Clen, T3, and Cialis from the AG guys. I've also had some unknown source of Clomid and Arimidex. How do I guarantee I'm taking these supplements correctly?

Thanks!

 

[kbrkbr]

OK so I'm no Chemical Engineer, and it's been 4 years since my last chemistry class in school so riddle me this kbrkbr

If you suspend a given amount of powder may it be anavar, proviron, cialis, viagra, cocaine whatever in a given amount of everclear or 151. Now also suppose I suspend 1mg of my substance into this liquid. How can you be guaranteed that the dosage you take (say 1ml) is dosed correctly at 1mg?

I've taken Clen, T3, and Cialis from the AG guys. I've also had some unknown source of Clomid and Arimidex. How do I guarantee I'm taking these supplements correctly?

Thanks!

I've never created a solution in which the intended dose is as small as 1mg. That's a real challenge. Obviously, the more dilute the solution, the more accurately you'll be able to measure. For example, I suspend my var solution at 15mg/ml. My eyedroppers are scored at 1ml, so I feel I can achieve a pretty accurate measurement. Say, 15mg +-3mg, which is more than accurate enough for me. I could probably increase accuracy by measuring with a syringe, but I think that's overkill. If I need a 1mg dose, then I would suspend the powder at 1mg/ml, then use a syringe to measure and get in that little extra bit of accuracy. Fortunately, most everything I've suspended has called for a much larger dose. My typical dose of var is 30mg, clomid 50mg, tamoxifen 20mg, etc.

If some solution recipes would help, LMK and I'll post a few.

 

[drrman]

I've never created a solution in which the intended dose is as small as 1mg. That's a real challenge. Obviously, the more dilute the solution, the more accurately you'll be able to measure. For example, I suspend my var solution at 15mg/ml. My eyedroppers are scored at 1ml, so I feel I can achieve a pretty accurate measurement. Say, 15mg +-3mg, which is more than accurate enough for me. I could probably increase accuracy by measuring with a syringe, but I think that's overkill. If I need a 1mg dose, then I would suspend the powder at 1mg/ml, then use a syringe to measure and get in that little extra bit of accuracy. Fortunately, most everything I've suspended has called for a much larger dose. My typical dose of var is 30mg, clomid 50mg, tamoxifen 20mg, etc.

If some solution recipes would help, LMK and I'll post a few.

for example, when i make clen i have make a parent bottle at 166ml which is 6000mg/ml, then add ONE Ml of water to another 59ml ove water to get 100mcg/ml

just an example, i had to make over a gallon almost to do it at that small of a dosage!

there are 1,000,000 mcg in a gram!

 

[Kick-Ass Stack]

Thanks for the response guys.

I guess I'm just confused on how you can guarantee it's dissolved/diffused? into the solution equally. It sounds like you know exactly what you're doing so I was curious about ensuring proper dosage. I know I'm supposed to shake up my AG Guys solutions before I use them. How does that play into the equation?

I'm interested in making as much of my own gear as possible. I'd really like to be able to do it.

I'm sure I'm bastardizing terms so any help you can give me would be great!

 

[kbrkbr]

drrman is apparently more hardcore than I am. I don't have the balls to suspend anything less than 1mg/ml.

 

[drrman]

drrman is apparently more hardcore than I am. I don't have the balls to suspend anything less than 1mg/ml.

you have to use a parent child approach

for clen like i said, i'll use 1 gram of clen powder, but i do have a set of acculabs that go to the thousandth, but its not really necessary

so i then make a parent bottle, that is 166ml of distilled water and 1 gram of clen, this makes 6000mcg/ml

i then make my bottles to use, take a 60ml bottle, put 1cc of the parent bottle solution, 1cc BA, and 58ml of water, i now have 100mcg/ml!

 

[fullybuilt]

Isnt it easier to do it the liquid way(I don't care about taste) Tell me if this would be correct for each compound I want

1.) Proviron. 5grams total. No need to weigh out, b/c thats the quanity i'll order. Add all 5grams into a big ass vial and add 96ml of peg400 or everclear or bacardi 151 or glycerol but add maybe 1g powder at a time with the solution to make sure it mixes. Heat it up in microwave for a few minutes to help dissolve. Then every 1ml will equal 25mg proviron.

2.) the same exact thing with aromsin,tbol and anavar. 5g's of each with 96ml peg400,everclear,151,glycerol to each. Will that all work the same?

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

you guys are crazy...i hope i can get a good hook on pow-pow one day soon

 

[fullybuilt]

Ok, so we know that 2.5grams of provion with 96ml PEG400 will yeild 100ml's at 25mg/ml. Is there a solution that will do the same for var,tbol and aromasin. 25mg/ml is perfect for all 3, but I don't know if Peg400 will work on all 3. Will it? If not, what will? Everclear? Glycerol?

 

[kbrkbr]

Ok, so we know that 2.5grams of provion with 96ml PEG400 will yeild 100ml's at 25mg/ml. Is there a solution that will do the same for var,tbol and aromasin. 25mg/ml is perfect for all 3, but I don't know if Peg400 will work on all 3. Will it? If not, what will? Everclear? Glycerol?

Check my powder recipe thread.