Why aspirate?

[RADAR]

It disappoints me to see vets of this site still posting things like this. Is it common for people to get flamed around here if all they have done is ask a questions. Worded there question respectfully like this guy did. If I find some one flaming this guy for making this post And acting like a jerk to him for it I will ban there ass on site.

We dont "flame" around here for the sake of flaming or because we do not agree. You are respectful to each other at all times at least I know we are when I come lurking around. And I know we should be when all of my staff is around...

SO please lets not say things like this. I know for a fact the leadership and the vets,mentors of this site do a lot of work trying to keep this site free of flames. Thanks shibs my man you know I love ya bro

Agree with needto......no need to flame ,i work part time at the hospital ,and all that time i have never seen anyone aspirate, we are injecting IM here ,now if you had a compound like Demerol that needed to be injected into a vein then "SURE" You would aspirate,Failure to do so and the patient gets no benefits out of the administration ,no matter what the dostage is!

 

[needtogetaas]

I aspirate but anyway - Iv heard need2 say it doesnt matter if you hit a vein its not gonna kill you etc etc i geuss you don't waste juice though

And yes for the record I stopped Aspirating like 4-5 years ago.
I dont even aspirate when I am injecting tren any more ether. Why? Well for a number of reasons.

Over time I have learned that I should only inject tren into my delts. Aspiration or not injecting in my quads, ass, any other muscle group always ends in me coughing my lungs out sprawled out across the floor. Injecting in my delts almost never ends up this way..

Another reason. I cant stand that weird ass "sucking" feeling when I used to aspirate. Always felt like I was sucking half my arm/leg into the needle it just felt really really fucked up and even hurt at times.

Another reason. It would take a "big ass air bubble" TO kill you. Your blood carries oxagen and air and any tiny,small, to mid size Air bubble will get absorbed by your blood.
When air enters the veins, it travels to the right side of the heart, and then to the lungs. NO matter what the bubble will travel through the " right side" of the heart and then to the lungs. Once in the lungs even very large air bubbles are then converted in the lungs to just plan old air.

It is only when the air pocket is of substantial size that it is able to cause a 20/30% rise in pressure which allows it to pop passed the lungs and into the "left ventricle" and it is here and only here where it can and will cause death. So the bubble must travel through the blood stream through the right side of the heart, through the lungs and be strong enough and large enough to pass through the lungs as a bubble and back into the blood and on its way to the lefts ventricle where then and only then its deadly...

We have all gone to the doctors and got vaccination shots. These shots are intramuscular shots . Now stop and think real real hard!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you ever remember seeing or feeling the nurse who injected you aspirate? In all my life of all the intra shots I have gotten from every nurse, from every doctor I have yet to see a single one of them Aspirate?

Now think back throughout your life. Do you know anyone who has died from this ( and keep in mind we all know a lot of juicers dont we?) ? how about your friends have they are said they know some one first had who died from this? I am betting no!!

If you hold the needle upward and flick it till you can physically see no bubbles then the chances of you getting a air bubble big enough to kill you inot your veins is like winning the lottery guys.... However I play Lottery tickets all the time because " I know there is still a chance"


So yes if you do not aspirate before you inject it is like you are playing the lottery every time you do this. Lets hope I dont/ you dont win that lottery some day!!!!!!! In all honesty the smart thing to do is not play the lottery...

YOu know how the saying goes. You have to play to win. in this case the prize won would not be a fun one..

My self I hate aspirating

And for god sakes I now hate the word aspirate and every variation of it. It looks way to much like I am saying Ass Pirate or ASS pirating lmao...

 

[bluflame]

I never aspirate. Doesn't mean it is wrong to aspirate, but as many times as I have injected I would already say the possibility of a problem is very slim.

 

[RADAR]

And yes for the record I stopped Aspirating like 4-5 years ago.
I dont even aspirate when I am injecting tren any more ether. Why? Well for a number of reasons.

Over time I have learned that I should only inject tren into my delts. Aspiration or not injecting in my quads, ass, any other muscle group always ends in me coughing my lungs out sprawled out across the floor. Injecting in my delts almost never ends up this way..

Another reason. I cant stand that weird ass "sucking" feeling when I used to aspirate. Always felt like I was sucking half my arm/leg into the needle it just felt really really fucked up and even hurt at times.

Another reason. It would take a "big ass air bubble" TO kill you. Your blood carries oxagen and air and any tiny,small, to mid size Air bubble will get absorbed by your blood.
When air enters the veins, it travels to the right side of the heart, and then to the lungs. NO matter what the bubble will travel through the " right side" of the heart and then to the lungs. Once in the lungs even very large air bubbles are then converted in the lungs to just plan old air.

It is only when the air pocket is of substantial size that it is able to cause a 20/30% rise in pressure which allows it to pop passed the lungs and into the "left ventricle" and it is here and only here where it can and will cause death. So the bubble must travel through the blood stream through the right side of the heart, through the lungs and be strong enough and large enough to pass through the lungs as a bubble and back into the blood and on its way to the lefts ventricle where then and only then its deadly...

We have all gone to the doctors and got vaccination shots. These shots are intramuscular shots . Now stop and think real real hard!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you ever remember seeing or feeling the nurse who injected you aspirate? In all my life of all the intra shots I have gotten from every nurse, from every doctor I have yet to see a single one of them Aspirate?

Now think back throughout your life. Do you know anyone who has died from this ( and keep in mind we all know a lot of juicers dont we?) ? how about your friends have they are said they know some one first had who died from this? I am betting no!!

If you hold the needle upward and flick it till you can physically see no bubbles then the chances of you getting a air bubble big enough to kill you inot your veins is like winning the lottery guys.... However I play Lottery tickets all the time because " I know there is still a chance"


So yes if you do not aspirate before you inject it is like you are playing the lottery every time you do this. Lets hope I dont/ you dont win that lottery some day!!!!!!! In all honesty the smart thing to do is not play the lottery...

YOu know how the saying goes. You have to play to win. in this case the prize won would not be a fun one..

My self I hate aspirating

And for god sakes I now hate the word aspirate and every variation of it. It looks way to much like I am saying Ass Pirate or ASS pirating lmao...

so ! you're admitting to be an ass pirate?

 

[needtogetaas]

so ! you're admitting to be an ass pirate?

Pretty muc yes. I am saying everyone really should aspirate and although I do not it does not make it the right thing to do. In fact its the wrong thing to do. SO do as I say and not as I do. Be sure to always aspirate all you ass pirates you!!!

 

[bblazer]

I'll chime in on this one with a little different perspective.

Many years ago, I was an EMT-P. Part of that training involved working in an ER and then for a trauma surgeon - all in addition to paramedic training.

The general rule I was taught was that if what I was injecting (and we are talking IM injections here) a water based drug, no aspiration was needed. If it was oil based (which is somewhat rare in a clinical or ambulance setting), you DID aspirate.

The thinking behind this was that if for some reason, you did get the water based compound into a vein, it is very easily assimilated and diluted in the bloodstream. That is not the case with oil based. Blood is mostly water, and we all know what happens when you mix oil and water, and since you can't exactly use a wire whisk or stand mixer to emulsify the oil into the blood, you have these oil "globules" that can travel through the bloodstream. Here is where the problem lies. Should one of these get caught in a small blood vessel or in the alveoli (the small air sacs in the lungs), you can have a heap of trouble on your hands.

Here comes the disclaimer...

The incidence of this happening is relatively rare. It has a greater chance of happening when one or both of these conditions exist:

1) It is a trauma or a time where extremely fast action on the part of the care giver is needed. Speed kills!
2) The injection is being administered by someone with little experience or training.

Now, based on the fact that right here on this forum, there are posts asking for instructions on how to inject, and others where members ask if they can reuse syringes, etc, I think it is fair to say that there is a general lack of formal training going on. That's just the nature of what we do. You just don't go to your local Doc or nurse and ask to be taught how to inject your juice.

So when asked, I always say to aspirate before pushing the drugs. It is cheap and quick insurance. I think that advice is even more relevant now since we are starting to see more and more use of ethyl oleate in UG lab gear so they can cram huge amounts of gear into small volume injections. EO can be bad juju, and compounding that with what can happen if oil gets in the blood, aspiration is even more warranted.

B-

 

[Gawd]

I'll chime in on this one with a little different perspective.

Many years ago, I was an EMT-P. Part of that training involved working in an ER and then for a trauma surgeon - all in addition to paramedic training.

The general rule I was taught was that if what I was injecting (and we are talking IM injections here) a water based drug, no aspiration was needed. If it was oil based (which is somewhat rare in a clinical or ambulance setting), you DID aspirate.

The thinking behind this was that if for some reason, you did get the water based compound into a vein, it is very easily assimilated and diluted in the bloodstream. That is not the case with oil based. Blood is mostly water, and we all know what happens when you mix oil and water, and since you can't exactly use a wire whisk or stand mixer to emulsify the oil into the blood, you have these oil "globules" that can travel through the bloodstream. Here is where the problem lies. Should one of these get caught in a small blood vessel or in the alveoli (the small air sacs in the lungs), you can have a heap of trouble on your hands.

Here comes the disclaimer...

The incidence of this happening is relatively rare. It has a greater chance of happening when one or both of these conditions exist:

1) It is a trauma or a time where extremely fast action on the part of the care giver is needed. Speed kills!
2) The injection is being administered by someone with little experience or training.

Now, based on the fact that right here on this forum, there are posts asking for instructions on how to inject, and others where members ask if they can reuse syringes, etc, I think it is fair to say that there is a general lack of formal training going on. That's just the nature of what we do. You just don't go to your local Doc or nurse and ask to be taught how to inject your juice.

So when asked, I always say to aspirate before pushing the drugs. It is cheap and quick insurance. I think that advice is even more relevant now since we are starting to see more and more use of ethyl oleate in UG lab gear so they can cram huge amounts of gear into small volume injections. EO can be bad juju, and compounding that with what can happen if oil gets in the blood, aspiration is even more warranted.

B-

Great info bro,

That's something I was wondering as oil "globules" in the bloodstream doesn't sound that pleasant, lol.

 

[RearNaked]

excellent and very informative reply bblazer! thanks bro!