Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Im sure many out ther have experienced this and since I got home from overseas I have seen the difference in my father. It all starts with the prostate operation and general age. He is sixty three and seems to be withering away. I just had him do some pushups tonight and he could barely do 10. Now before you go thinking he is some puss...he did 28 years as an infantry 1SGT in the army. So his wearing away comes from more usage than most will do in three lifetimes. I consider it more of wearing out than withering away. I told him about HRT but he says he doesnt think he can do it because one he had or has prostate problems, two its expensive. Any suggestions? Serious ones. Would protein and creatine hurt him? I had him start fish oil, flax seed oil, multi vitamin plus he has his meds for athritis and prostrate. Im about to start sticking him with test in his sleep. lol. Not really but I would if I knew it would not hurt him medically. Just hard to accept when he was such a warrior my whole life and after not seeing him for two years the stress of me being in a combat zone shows in his face. But I wat to strecth out some more time with him so he is there when I get back after this whole shin-dig in the middle east settles down.
When your pops starts wasting away from age...
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airsmith2k
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just find a source and give him a 200mg a week shot of test
RippedRule
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I think he said serious suggestions. I'm not one to give advice in this situation but I'm interested to hear from some vets because I think my father is beginning to head to the same road. If he's motivated and willing to try something along those lines, I think the first step would be blood tests and a doc's visit just to make sure he could handle the change.
Best of luck to you. It's hard to see a change like you described to someone you care about, especially when you haven't been able to be with him and it's all of the sudden...
Have him start a weight training program. Complete with proper diet and supps. for starters.
If he has prostate problems then he has to have regular PSA tests through his urologist. Unless he has cancer or his Dr. just feels it's too risky he should
ask about HRT. Then he might be able to get Pharma grade test and feel like a million. Plus he will put on muscle mass. Give it a shot!
If he has prostate problems then he has to have regular PSA tests through his urologist. Unless he has cancer or his Dr. just feels it's too risky he should
ask about HRT. Then he might be able to get Pharma grade test and feel like a million. Plus he will put on muscle mass. Give it a shot!
79steeler
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I totally understand what your going thru. My dad is 62 and just had a stroke, luckily it only effected his perifrial vision a little. It is difficult to see your father get old a start to get more frail. I've been telling my dad for the last ten years to get on a tread mill for a half hour a day, and do thirty minutes of at least light weight training. It seems to go in one ear and out the other.
When I hit 60 the twenty year olds in the gym are gonna look at me and say,"That dude is jacked."
When I hit 60 the twenty year olds in the gym are gonna look at me and say,"That dude is jacked."
dabuffguy said:
Dr. opinion and supervision... Absolutely!
"DHT conversion make prostate worse.", not necessarily.
It depends on his PSA and prostate size history. Test does NOT cause prostate cancer. BUT it will feed it if you do. If no cancer, no problem.
Proscar will shrink up prostate so you can pee like a race horse.
Has he ever required a biopsy? What specific prostate "issues" does he have?
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Megalomaniac
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This is a great thread, hopefully we can get some knowledgeable people in here and get some good advice. I came home from Iraq and hadn't seen my father in 2 1/2 years, he looked like a different man. I honestly hardly could recognize him. He exercises but his joints are bad at 62 and has very little muscle strength. I'm interested to see where this goes.
02gixxersix
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I tried to get my dad to go on HRT but he asked his doctor and the doc said absolutely not. I told him to find a new doctor because his doc obviously isn't on the up and up but he doesn't want to. I'm gonna keep bugging him about it every time I see him though.
halfcenturian said:
He had a biopsy and some operation so his prostate is not in the way of his pissin...or is that a biopsy. I dunno but he had an operation and he had his guys snipped a long time ago. Shootin blanks. It just sucks because as I see him wastin away I am seeing my grandfather, who was my only grandfather, wastin away very fast. Thats hard too when he was a sniper in WWII who fought in europe then the pacific as well. My crusty war vets around me who told me stories of their exploits growing up are fading. Tell ya one thing, Ill be taking test when Im 60 so the young bucks have to keep up with me. The military definately takes years off but its worth the quality of life that comes from it.
Tatyana
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Jon79 said:
I mentioned this to Nelson, as I was thinking about my dad doing HRT as well.
He told me if you don't start it early enough, the benefits are not as great.
There is an HRT section on this site, and I know the clinical endocrinologist who started this site, and is really BIG on HRT for men.
http://www.andropause.org.uk/
Tatyana said:
Right. If you've let yourself go until your 60's, you can start exercising, and eating right, and taking suppliments, and go on HRT...but don't expect it to turn the clock back. It's just give the slight edge to someone who's already deteriorated. The key to longevity and "youth extension" is to start when you're young enough to maintain good health.
Mavafanculo
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some of what you view as his wasting away or loss of virility may be a result of the prostate medications he's taking.
proscar "works" (there's debate) by lowering levels of dht - the most androgenic metabolite of test. sides include loss of libido, impotence, loss of muscle size.
btw, flaxseed oil contains phytoestrogens, and also increses shbg which will bind free testestosterone.
I never thought about or researched this issue (how to maintain positive nitogen retention environment with prostate issues and the associated meds) - it presents interesting roadblocks - some of the normal things you do for one MAY hurt the other and vice versa
one thing to consider - many people consider estrogen and not dht to be the devil for the prostate - (yes there are studys to support that view) - if you find a doc who subscribes to that view, it would make manning-up dad much easier.
proscar "works" (there's debate) by lowering levels of dht - the most androgenic metabolite of test. sides include loss of libido, impotence, loss of muscle size.
btw, flaxseed oil contains phytoestrogens, and also increses shbg which will bind free testestosterone.
I never thought about or researched this issue (how to maintain positive nitogen retention environment with prostate issues and the associated meds) - it presents interesting roadblocks - some of the normal things you do for one MAY hurt the other and vice versa
one thing to consider - many people consider estrogen and not dht to be the devil for the prostate - (yes there are studys to support that view) - if you find a doc who subscribes to that view, it would make manning-up dad much easier.
Mavafanculo said:
Correct. Estrogen is the culprit. I've been saying that for years and got lambasted for as "another one of Nelson's wacky theories with no science to back it up."
But think about it.
If it were high testosterone that caused prostate problems, it would be the bane of young men. Why is it that is happened when T drops and e rises? I didn't have any studies to cut and paste, just a logical conclusion that the existing belief made no sense. As it stands, there's new evidence that shows that's exactly the case.
Mavafanculo
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Nelson Montana said:
yup - I'm in the Estrogen Bad camp as well - I know from personal experience that masteron, proviron etc do nothing to my prostate, but dbol and some of the old hi-aromatizing prohormones do.
and I read some pretty good studys showing that pure dht actually shrinks prostate tissue.
of course, theres alot of big-pharma money tied up based on the old model, so the charade continues
snowyk12 said:
If there is no cancer and his PSA is below 2, his urologist SHOULD prescribe some Test, if he asks for it....Probably Andro Gel. It works pretty well.
If he like the way it makes him feel, then you can move up to injecting.
He is going to have to do some weight training to put on muscle mass... so that's another potential obsticle. Is he willing to excercise and eat "right?"
Anavar is another possibility for muscle wasting. Good luck, bro! Keep after it!
perryscoon
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Its going to happen to us too guys. We'll be old and frail with health problems, if we're lucky. hehe
But I would recommend he at least have his test levels checked and ask his doc about HRT. It couldn't hurt to ask. And if he is a retired vet, than all medical care should be free for him.
But I would recommend he at least have his test levels checked and ask his doc about HRT. It couldn't hurt to ask. And if he is a retired vet, than all medical care should be free for him.
Tatyana
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Prostate cancer is something that needs more research, as almost all men have it by the age of 70.
Prostate problems are just as yucky. There are supps and food (lycopenes from tomatoes are meant to promote prostate health) that I would recommend men taking on once they are in their 30s and 40s.
BTW, the link I posted has some great self-testing quizzes and advice about getting HRT.
Prostate problems are just as yucky. There are supps and food (lycopenes from tomatoes are meant to promote prostate health) that I would recommend men taking on once they are in their 30s and 40s.
BTW, the link I posted has some great self-testing quizzes and advice about getting HRT.
Mavafanculo
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snowyk12 said:
I looked around for evidence that fish oil raises shbg when I wanted to start taking it and didnt find any. Its the Flaxseed oil that raises shbg and binds free test
