When was it official that Dbol was only to be used to "jumpstart" a cycle?

[Juice Authority]

Law of diminishing returns? Why?

The majority of people with problems don't incoporate the proper supplements amongst many other things.

The lipid profile is affected regardless which AAS you use. This is to be expected. Your cholesterol can easily be maintained with a combination of OTC supplements such as Policosanol, a clean diet, a realistic cycle duration of 8 weeks and ancilliary drugs such as nolvadex. Glucophage is also a possibility.

Most people have a problem with thier lipids already and they don't even know it. It's called a poor diet and it's evident with majority of users no matter how much the try to deny it. This is specifically in regards to people with a body fat percentage of approximately >15%. Most people with cholesterol issues are in that range and it's primarily diet related.

You will encounter some side effects regardless of AAS choice which are not life threatening. To what degree depends on your preparation.

Jenetic

That's absolutely correct in that lipid profiles are skewed regardless of what AAS you use. However, like anything else, the longer they are skewed the longer it takes to get back to baseline. 17AA's are the major offender in this. I realize liver toxicity is overrated but my main concern in running 17AA's over a long period of time is the dramatic effect is has on my HDL levels. There are plenty of presciption drugs that lower high LDL levels but there are only a few supplements - Policosanol, Omega 3,6,9, etc. that has been shown to raise low HDL levels. There is no drug on the market that does this and the supplements mentioned above do not have that pronounced of an impact. Afterall, they are "supplements".

 

[small but working on it]

SO Juice Authority, I guess you are saying that the benfits dont outway the risk of the lipid profile? How long or should I saw what is the longest YOU would run dbol or any 17aa drug alone 4wks,6wks,8? and have you ever run a dbol only cycle? thanks

 

[Juice Authority]

SO Juice Authority, I guess you are saying that the benfits dont outway the risk of the lipid profile? How long or should I saw what is the longest YOU would run dbol or any 17aa drug alone 4wks,6wks,8? and have you ever run a dbol only cycle? thanks

Not necessarily. Jenetic raises some good points but one thing he is overlooking is a person's genetic disposition regarding lipid profiles. I was only speaking for myself. See, high cholesterol runs in my family. High cholesterol is more hereditary than anything else. Sure, diet plays a part but it mainly depends on your genes. When I use 17AAs for a long period of time it dramatically skews my lipid profiles and completely shuts down my HDL - the good cholesterol.

 

[Guvna]

Plus, running a 17AA for long periods of time is bound to greatly skew your lipid profile, especially shutting down your hdl to the single digit range. This is well documented.

This is what I was refering to Jenetic. 17aa steroids wreck havoc on hdl and ldl. This is the reason I dont use them longer than 4-6 weeks, not the liver issue.....


So, did the guy running 200mgs a day for 15 weeks get any of this tested?

 

[Jenetic]

This is what I was refering to Jenetic. 17aa steroids wreck havoc on hdl and ldl. This is the reason I dont use them longer than 4-6 weeks, not the liver issue.....


So, did the guy running 200mgs a day for 15 weeks get any of this tested?

Of course he had those numbers tested. You owe me for making another international phone call. J/K LOL

Total Cholesterol: 151
Triglyceride: 98
HDL :47.8
LDL: 87

Jenetic

 

[Guvna]

Of course he had those numbers tested. You owe me for making another international phone call. J/K LOL

Total Cholesterol: 151
Triglyceride: 98
HDL :47.8
LDL: 87

Jenetic

LOL....

holy hell those numbers are better than mine off-cycle and months clean......





so I wonder when they are coming out with that synthetic HDL......mmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Jenetic]

Not necessarily. Jenetic raises some good points but one thing he is overlooking is a person's genetic disposition regarding lipid profiles. I was only speaking for myself. See, high cholesterol runs in my family. High cholesterol is more hereditary than anything else. Sure, diet plays a part but it mainly depends on your genes. When I use 17AAs for a long period of time it dramatically skews my lipid profiles and completely shuts down my HDL - the good cholesterol.

Thanks for sharing.

I haven't overlooked the genetic predisposition factor. This is common sense and self explanatory.

Regardless of your predisposition, your nutrtion is more than just a part and plays a major role.

Jenetic

 

[MR Pink]

so I wonder when they are coming out with that synthetic HDL......mmmmmmmmmmm

I was wondering the same thing a couple of days ago

 

[junk]

Jenetic, I have to disagree on the Lipid aspect. It's very individual. My normal HDL/LDL as tested pre cycle are excellent. during a long cycle on anavar I checked my lipid profile and it was horrible. I don't recall but the HDL was 6 (?!?) and LDL was 240 or so. A terrible ratio.. Again, I stress the fact that pre-cycle the lipids were fine. I also took 40mg a day of policosanols, 30g of fishoils a day. And my diet is ages from being considered bad.

As a sidenote: You can search a thread back several months about giving my mom policosanols for several months straight with ZERO changes in her lipid profile.

I'm a bloodwork freak btw

 

[Judo Tom]

i hope this thread convinces more and more people to get blood work done before during and after cycles...