What's your take on drug addicts?

[MattTheSkywalker]

I saw this heroin whore writhing on the ground and contorting her face to expressions I have never seen in my life. She was screaming and making these disgusting distress noises, sort of like an animal caught in a leg trap. People walked by, unamused, except for me -- I just stared into her self inflicted pain as her misery captivated me. I wondered what happened to her at first, you know just to assess the situation and offer help, but I quickly realized she was just tweaking on heroin. No biggie, next please!

I felt almost no pity for her, just extreme prejudice and disgust. I kinda wished someone would do society a favor and just put her out of her misery. I realized that people like her have no will power to break out of their stasis of drug abuse. Help programs, which are under disguise of rehabilitation, are futile and waste money -- something that everyone knows, but does not want to admit.

Although I think most drug addicts are lost causes, I do believe that some with enough will power eventually break out of their habits.

Self inflcited misery is right on.

Putting her 'out of her misery' - perhaps we could do the same for you, just by changing the context.

Addiction is not about willpower, chemical changes do take place in the brain and they are irreversible.

Rehab often does work, often fails, as long as it is privately sponsored, what business is it of yours?

The idea that someone is a lost cause is the beginning of the idea that society has a right to determine what is right fo others, congrats and welcome to socialism.

Ignorance is equally dangerous as addiction.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Self inflcited misery is right on.

Putting her 'out of her misery' - perhaps we could do the same for you, just by changing the context.

Addiction is not about willpower, chemical changes do take place in the brain and they are irreversible.

Rehab often does work, often fails, as long as it is privately sponsored, what business is it of yours?

The idea that someone is a lost cause is the beginning of the idea that society has a right to determine what is right fo others, congrats and welcome to socialism.

Ignorance is equally dangerous as addiction.

Yes. You are correct Matt.

Good post.

 

[beefybull]

The key to lowering drug abuse is education (it will always exist, has for thousands of years). Drugs are like sex...will always sell.


I'm a very intelligent man, and I enjoy experiencing new altered states of consciousness. However, that doesnt mean that I want to get high so bad I'll huff gas or paint thinner. People need to be educated on the REAL side effects that every drug has (not the govt saying "weed makes you crazy!"), this way they can make their own personal assessment on whether or not the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of each individual drug. They need to learn that crank is typically nowhere near pure and it can destroy you in physical ways. People need to learn that huffing = almost surefire brain damage. That kind of shit keeps people away from drugs, not the govt saying "drugs are bad, mmmkay"

 

[curling]

You know I can't believe ya'll call me a purantical prude? This is just a little peyton place and ya'll are a bunch elite fitness hypocrites(for the people that have judge junkies on this thread). How can you judge somebody's elses problem and who are you to judge anyway? I have been an addict myself and it sucked. You pawn shit to get the next 8bal, l you lose all your self esteem, You want to quit but dang that stuff has got a hold on you. I mean you tell yourself that this is the last time every morning as you see the sunrise knowing you are living your life close to vampire as possible. You are paranoid beyond belief. It is like being in a horror movie. I mean you see walls breaking open or doors opening you look in cabinets for the cops I mean you know you are fixing to get busted and after while you yell at the shadow police to come on stop toying with me and get it over with.

You ask curling how did you start? Well it was back in college and coke was the cool thing to do. Then my parents got a divorce when I was engaged and it tore me up. I guess I did the crap for escapism. I have battled that crap all my life. I would quit for a few years then you run across some "friend" that gets you started again.

Unless you have never been there you shouldn't judge.

 

[nsashbl01]

C-sharp, matt, beefy, and curling. Thanks for chiming in. The start of this thread had me furious today. My oldest brother, who was a recovering addict, died a year ago next week at 42. He was an incredibly motivated individual. He helped and saved the lives of so many people. He was a perfect example of "how could he do that to himself"! He was successful, energetic, and loved by anyone he met. But he lived in pain that I couldn't understand. The drive that made him an accomplished businessman eventually put him in a grave. He once told me that what seems natural to me, is what using feels like to him. He said, if I told you to stop blinking, could you? That’s how he felt, even when sober for years.

Carma to ya all.

Nsashbl

 

[curling]

C-sharp, matt, beefy, and curling. Thanks for chiming in. The start of this thread had me furious today. My oldest brother, who was a recovering addict, died a year ago next week at 42. He was an incredibly motivated individual. He helped and saved the lives of so many people. He was a perfect example of "how could he do that to himself"! He was successful, energetic, and loved by anyone he met. But he lived in pain that I couldn't understand. The drive that made him an accomplished businessman eventually put him in a grave. He once told me that what seems natural to me, is what using feels like to him. He said, if I told you to stop blinking, could you? That’s how he felt, even when sober for years.

Carma to ya all.

Nsashbl

Sorry to hear that bro. What was his poison?

 

[nsashbl01]

Shit, over the years, everything. I believe it started in high school. he was in a horrible accident and almost lost his life. Had pretty long term damage to one of his arms. They gave him some strong pain killers during his recovery. Then when he got older it was alcohol, coke, nb, heroin, you name it. He battled relapses for like 15 yrs. He actually died of a heart attack from the years of physical abuse. The medical examiners couldn't believe it, because he looked great. Saddest part is that he left a 4yr old daughter, wife and a business behind. The business was flurishing, but will fail without him. I'm going to so cal next week to be with his family during the tough time.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

C-sharp, matt, beefy, and curling. Thanks for chiming in. The start of this thread had me furious today.

Sorry for your loss bro, I have seen someone very dear to me ruin their lives with an addiction.

It is amazing how our 'war on drugs' has demonized users. So sad.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

The "War on Drugs" is a perpetual money making machine. It has no reason to suceed. It's growth depends on continued failure and expansion of drugs in America and throughout the world. It's empire building and capitalism at it's finest.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Self inflcited misery is right on.

Putting her 'out of her misery' - perhaps we could do the same for you, just by changing the context.


Addiction is not about willpower, chemical changes do take place in the brain and they are irreversible.

will power has a lot to do with it. i think you're a weak minded person if you can't realize that you're fucking yourself up with drugs, and then not stop... but then again. why do people do drugs to the point of addiction? also, you say the changes are irreversible, what do you propose? do you agree with me that rehab clinics are a waste of money then?


Rehab often does work, often fails, as long as it is privately sponsored, what business is it of yours?

most rehabs clinics over here are paid for by public taxes... if it is privately sponsored, yeah you are right, it is none of my business.


The idea that someone is a lost cause is the beginning of the idea that society has a right to determine what is right fo others, congrats and welcome to socialism.

forgive me for being realistic. i think addicts are pretty much lost causes... sorry, but you know that's mostly true. i don't have that outlook on other people... in fact, i couldn't care less if someone is killing his/herself in his/her private life with drugs, but it becomes a problem if i have to pay for the treatment or any other thing.


Ignorance is equally dangerous as addiction.

you're correct, but i still have A LOT of time left on this world to correct that -- ignorance is my impetus to learn