Here's the thing though, I am big jointed as hell. I have what a guy I know calls "lumberjack" genetics. My knees are so big, that I need at least another 2 inches on my quads and calves to look decent. My arms tape at about 19 1/2, but my elbows make them look closer to 18. I have a 21 inch neck and a chest that's at 58 right now. Of course, the 38 inch waist has got to go. I'm going to be dieting and hitting the cardio hard this fall and winter. I have bulked for about 2 years, I have a nice fat base, it's time to cut. I'm tired of people asking me if I'm a wrestler. At one time, I was asked if I was a bodybuilder. I'm going to miss moving the weights I've been moving though. However, I am really starting to get dinged up and need to a period of lighter lifting anyway.