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What's Up With These 135 Pound Dudes?
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pgerardone
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Good lucklilman22 said:
Some of these responses have made me laugh.
1. Your big enough!! You don't need steroids?????
You think steroids just make you big?
They make you faster, improve response times,
endurance, recuperation etc....
Have you EVER PLAYED A PROFESSIONAL SPORT??
You can't just stay the same day in day out, YOU HAVE TO
GET BETTER AND BETTER PROGRESSIVELY.
Its just the nature of sports.
TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE.
Nowadays, its all about winning. Period.
You do what you have to do.
I can almost guarantee you that 99% of al olympic
athletes take "enhancing" drugs of some kind.
THEY WOULD NOT BE THERE IF THEY DIDN'T.
If you think blood and guts got them there you're deluded.
Maybe 3 or 4 genetic freaks, but thats about it.
I took steroids to make myself a better athlete not to just
"put on weight".
Who cares if you're 230,260,290,180 etc,,, if you
haven't improved your athleticism in some way.
Godspeed
1. Your big enough!! You don't need steroids?????
You think steroids just make you big?
They make you faster, improve response times,
endurance, recuperation etc....
Have you EVER PLAYED A PROFESSIONAL SPORT??
You can't just stay the same day in day out, YOU HAVE TO
GET BETTER AND BETTER PROGRESSIVELY.
Its just the nature of sports.
TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE.
Nowadays, its all about winning. Period.
You do what you have to do.
I can almost guarantee you that 99% of al olympic
athletes take "enhancing" drugs of some kind.
THEY WOULD NOT BE THERE IF THEY DIDN'T.
If you think blood and guts got them there you're deluded.
Maybe 3 or 4 genetic freaks, but thats about it.
I took steroids to make myself a better athlete not to just
"put on weight".
Who cares if you're 230,260,290,180 etc,,, if you
haven't improved your athleticism in some way.
Godspeed
The Man Child
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Lilman22- I started using A.S. at 18 years old. I was 245lb. all natural when I started. The only reason I decided to take them is because my coaches were barking down my neck that I was too small for my position (in football). I had all the athletic ability in the world, but I needed the extra size and strength. Sure I could have just eaten like a fat pig and got put the weight on, but I decided I needed good quality muscle gains. Now I'm 300lb. and at the same bodyfat as when I started.
And to answer your second question, I honestly did work my ass off for 4 years before using steroids. In high school (while I was clean) I can remember going to the gym the night before a Friday night game and lifting for an hour, while all of my teammates were out chillin' with friends. And now look where I am, playing Major D1A football.
Its no fluke that I was big and strong as a bull prior to touching gear. I lived in the weight room and still do.
And the little guys you were referring to that need to juice to catch up with us big guys with the genetics, maybe you guys need to get your priorities straight. I've never met someone that was small, that ate right, lifted religiously, and had total focus to the sport, other than my boys that are competitive powerlifters that have to stay in a certain weight class. Most people think they have their lives in order, but they really don't.
There's no excuse for being small!
And to answer your second question, I honestly did work my ass off for 4 years before using steroids. In high school (while I was clean) I can remember going to the gym the night before a Friday night game and lifting for an hour, while all of my teammates were out chillin' with friends. And now look where I am, playing Major D1A football.
Its no fluke that I was big and strong as a bull prior to touching gear. I lived in the weight room and still do.
And the little guys you were referring to that need to juice to catch up with us big guys with the genetics, maybe you guys need to get your priorities straight. I've never met someone that was small, that ate right, lifted religiously, and had total focus to the sport, other than my boys that are competitive powerlifters that have to stay in a certain weight class. Most people think they have their lives in order, but they really don't.
There's no excuse for being small!
lilman22, NOBODY says you can't do gear. They almost all say do it. Just learn first and then do it. I think you are right to train hard first and learn and then get on it. Fonz and The Man Child are 100% correct. But, they knew what they wanted and how to do it before. Go back and read FOZY and ruggers reply. They have it down too!
Dude, read what I said. Go get'em NOW!!! I would not put up with 135 any longer than I had to. Just remember, you have to eat and train like an animal. First, at your level you have no need of biceps curls. Fuck arms, fuck most machines, fuck isolation work. Stick with the heavy basics. anything else is just needlessly burning calories. Dump cardio for now. Stick to the weights. When you are not training or working, you need to be eating and resting. You should be throwing back 6 or 7 high protein meals a day. You should be eating at least 5000 calories a day and taking in around 300g of protein daily. Plus you need to get your sleep every night and a nap when you can during the day. No dancing on weekend nights, no basket ball playing with the boys, all of that burns calories that you need to conserve. You have to be committed to this 24/7. Now, as far as your training goes, get on a 3 day split with at least a day between workouts. Lets say day 1 is legs, 2 is chest, and day 3 is legs. You will use heavy weights and low reps with primarily compound free weight movements. Here is a sample work out:
Legs
Squats
leg presses
Stiff leg deadlifts
Chest
Flat barbell bench press
Incline barbell bench press
Dips
Back
Deadlifts
Bent barbell rows
Chins
Do about 5 sets, starting with a warm up set of 15 reps, and then 4 work sets of 12, 10, 8, and 6, pyramiding up the weight and lowering the reps with each set. Take your work sets to failure. When you can exceed your target reps on your work sets, you need to add weight until failure is once again achieved within the target area. When you get strong enough, do your chins and reps weighted. That's it. That's all you need. Don't worry about other body parts right now, the ones you are working are the biggest, strongest, and the ones that will permit you to use the most weight. The more weight you move, the bigger and stronger you will become. When you pack some serious mass on these areas, the scale will show it. The the rest of your muscles will get plenty of work supporting the big ones through the heavy compound lifts. That's why they are called "compound". The parts you are not training directly will get plenty of work indirectly for now. Do this for 12 to 16 weeks and, provided you are eating and resting like I told you, you will begin to see a good foundation that you can build upon. This is the same mass program I use and it never fails.
Legs
Squats
leg presses
Stiff leg deadlifts
Chest
Flat barbell bench press
Incline barbell bench press
Dips
Back
Deadlifts
Bent barbell rows
Chins
Do about 5 sets, starting with a warm up set of 15 reps, and then 4 work sets of 12, 10, 8, and 6, pyramiding up the weight and lowering the reps with each set. Take your work sets to failure. When you can exceed your target reps on your work sets, you need to add weight until failure is once again achieved within the target area. When you get strong enough, do your chins and reps weighted. That's it. That's all you need. Don't worry about other body parts right now, the ones you are working are the biggest, strongest, and the ones that will permit you to use the most weight. The more weight you move, the bigger and stronger you will become. When you pack some serious mass on these areas, the scale will show it. The the rest of your muscles will get plenty of work supporting the big ones through the heavy compound lifts. That's why they are called "compound". The parts you are not training directly will get plenty of work indirectly for now. Do this for 12 to 16 weeks and, provided you are eating and resting like I told you, you will begin to see a good foundation that you can build upon. This is the same mass program I use and it never fails.
