I have got to agree with Hello Kitty on this one. Just think about what you said. You graduated high school weighing 175. I was athletic in high school, and ate everything in sight. I remember my parents complaining about how much I ate. Do you want to guess what I weighed when I graduated? About a buck o' five. Now I did not take any gear immediately after high school, but if I knew then what I now know, I sure as hell would have.
Do you guys really think you are fooling anybody? Recommending to get 30 pounds over what this guy probably EVER wants to weigh before he touches the gear? Get real. Not everybody wants to be Mr. O and not everybody has the genetics to be Mr. O. One of my best friends has no concept of how to eat right. In high school he dranks constantly, and was twice as strong as anybody else his size. And to top it off, he had a fucking 6 pack abs constantly. Does that mean I should be more like him to get stronger? No, it means he is gifted genetically in that department. He benched 315 when he was 17.
Yes, I gained a hell of a lot of weight natural compared to where I started, but I honestly believe that was wasted time. I am talking years here. Years of minimal, if not zero gains. I can now beat that by week 3 of a cycle. And if you are going to juice, what does having a base have to do with anything? What about these guys gaining 40 pounds on their first cycle? I would call that a base. And they shaved 4 years off of what they were going to do naturally.
I could go on and on about this (lol, I already have), but if the gear is there, why not use it? The way I look at it, if you are 5'11" 200 pounds and 7% bodyfat, then you really don't need a.s at all. The 135 pounders are the ones who really need it.