whats so bad about doing 1g of test on your first cycle?

[big pumper]

I don't understand whats wrong with doing 1g of test on your first cycle. The gains will be greater than 500mg. You wont get shut down anymore than if you do 500mg (think about it, you are already completley shut down at 500mg, another 500 can't shut you down any further, length of cycle can but not amount). If gyno happens, anti-e's will take care of it (i have ldex and nolva on hand).

SO, whats wrong with 1g on a first cycle?

 

[Underrated]

My friends first cycle was with 1cc of test every 4 days for a total of 10cc's. He definately got stronger and bigger. If that's all ya got (as in his case) run with it. But there are much better cycles if you have the resourses.

 

[IlliniBB]

1) you can gain just as much with a lower dose
2) you dont know how your body is going to react to AAS
3) next time u do a cylce you are more likely going to use even more
4) its your first cycle therefore you don't need to go overboard.

im not expert or anything but these things should be common sense

 

[Syphonfilter]

This is the typical attitude of the young these days and it's one of the many reasons gear will be illegal for a long time to come. If two Advil are okay for a headache, hell why not 100? More more more. How do you know the gains will be better than 500? Have you even tried 500 ? For a first timer, your receptor's are fresh, untouched. You will respond excellently for a first timer at 500mg and I'd venture to say that you'd have responded just as well on possibly lower. Hell, I gained 15 lbs from a mere 200mg of Deca per week and kept all of it. The gains just aren't from the test bro, it's your training, your diet, and how well you respond to it all. Love to see what's gonna happen when all that water weight comes peeling off you, are you gonna panic? Cause I hate to break it to you, the majority of it is not solid muscle. Then again, your solution seems to be, got a problem add another drug, an anti e, a diuretic, maybe a bit more test, what have you. Hell, you should bump it up to 2g and then 3g's. After all, you won't shut down any harder right? and the gains, well, they would be soooo much better.

 

[firmbiz]

yea it really not a good idea to load ur body with a gram of test a week esp. when u dont know how ur body will respond to aas....expierenced users dont always have to use a g a week...why should a virgin to aas like you?

 

[bigerisbetter]

You will grow just as good with half that and you wont waste money.

 

[big pumper]

This is the typical attitude of the young these days and it's one of the many reasons gear will be illegal for a long time to come. If two Advil are okay for a headache, hell why not 100? More more more. How do you know the gains will be better than 500? Have you even tried 500 ? For a first timer, your receptor's are fresh, untouched. You will respond excellently for a first timer at 500mg and I'd venture to say that you'd have responded just as well on possibly lower. Hell, I gained 15 lbs from a mere 200mg of Deca per week and kept all of it. The gains just aren't from the test bro, it's your training, your diet, and how well you respond to it all. Love to see what's gonna happen when all that water weight comes peeling off you, are you gonna panic? Cause I hate to break it to you, the majority of it is not solid muscle. Then again, your solution seems to be, got a problem add another drug, an anti e, a diuretic, maybe a bit more test, what have you. Hell, you should bump it up to 2g and then 3g's. After all, you won't shut down any harder right? and the gains, well, they would be soooo much better.

you make good points, but lets not assume that im going to start using 2 or 3 g's just because i used 1g for my first cycle.

as for the gains, do you honestly think a first timer would gain the same at 500mg as 1g? i disagree. i think both cycles could give good results, but 1g will give better results. i guess im trying to say that you are correct i dont NEED 1g to grow, but i do think 1g will give me more muscle than 500mg, do you agree with this? i dont see how its different for a newbie then a vet, higher dosages should give better results, no matter where you are in your cycle experience.

as for keeping the gains, if i am very far from my genetic limit, wont i just as easily keep the 40lbs i gain from 1g as the 30 i gain from 500mg (im just throwing out numbers as an example)?

 

[THEEGAME2544]

Don't a lot of us discuss this on your earlier thread?

 

[big pumper]

You will grow just as good with half that and you wont waste money.

yeah bro, im a college student so money is a problem for me. i still don't see how people can say i will get the same gains though.

 

[big pumper]

Don't a lot of us discuss this on your earlier thread?

people called me an idiot for using 1g on my first cycle, but no one really told me why. i would like to hear someone give me a scientific explanation of how a. i will harm my body and b. how i will get the same gains at 500mg.

i realize that 500mg is safer, but i don't understand why people think 1g is so dangerous for a first cycle. it seems like every time a person mentions this they get flamed, i think 1g for a first cycle is safer than using DNP, but no one calles people idiots for using DNP (something i would never touch)>

 

[bigerisbetter]

yeah bro, im a college student so money is a problem for me. i still don't see how people can say i will get the same gains though.

Your body wants to remain at a certain homeostasis therefore no matter how much you gain a cycle your body will only hold on to so much as it dosent want the extra weight. You may gain more on a gram of test but I promise you will end up with the same amount in the long run if you only had used 500mg.

 

[bumpo]

LOL

 

[JibbyJabba]

With how easy it is to at least "come off" as knowledgeable over the internet, anyone who sounds as stupid as this dude really must be fucking retarded.

 

[BrickGirl]

I sure hope this guy is a "troll" and isn't really this dumb.

 

[GUNZ-007]

With how easy it is to at least "come off" as knowledgeable over the internet, anyone who sounds as stupid as this dude really must be fucking retarded.

 

[big pumper]

Your body wants to remain at a certain homeostasis therefore no matter how much you gain a cycle your body will only hold on to so much as it dosent want the extra weight. You may gain more on a gram of test but I promise you will end up with the same amount in the long run if you only had used 500mg.

what do you mean in the long run? do you mean after this cycle, or do you mean after 4 or so cycles i will be the same size then if no matter if i used a gram or half gram on my first cycle?

if you are talking about after a couple cycles i agree, because it is natural to slow down the closer you get to your genetic limit. but i would think in the short run (the next year or so) i would be bigger. i have never read about the body having a limit as too how much muscle can be put on over a 10 week period, but do you really think that the amount of muscle put on over 10 weeks will be maxed out at 500mg of test? if this were the case then no one would need over 500mg, thats what it seems like to me if this were true.

as for my intelligence, i have a 140 iq and got a 1230 on the sat, 4.0gpa my first semster of college. im not a genius but im not retarded either.

 

[JibbyJabba]

as for my intelligence, i have a 140 iq and got a 1230 on the sat, 4.0gpa my first semster of college. im not a genius but im not retarded either.

In that case, I am sorry.

From now on I will always recommend a gram of test per week to all newbies...

I'll bet you kicked the TAAS's ass as well. And I'll bet you owned the spelling bee.

 

[horsePOWER]

most likely no one will agree with you, but its your body.
and at least give us your stats.

hell you could be the size of shaq, in that case a gram might not seem like too much. however, in all probabilty your not that size and a gram is a lot.

 

[firmbiz]

basicially you shouldnt ask a question if ur already convinced of the answer...ppl here are tryin to help you and you sdont wanna take the advice...do what you want and let us know what happens... a gram of test is totally unneccesary for a first timer....but what would we know...

 

[Andy13]

If i had my first cycle back again, I would probably use 1g/week.

Andy

 

[JibbyJabba]

If i had my first cycle back again, I would probably use 1g/week.

Andy

Please don't egg this guy on... he's 19, having a hard time gaining on his first cycle, which consists of a freaking gram of test, and is wondering if he should throw some slin in the mix.

 

[Canuck4]

Theres no need for 1G on a first cycle IMO.
You can get incredible gains with only 250-500mg and a little dbol instead.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

1 gram the first time out. Where will you go from there? Next up is 1,200? Your playing a dangerous game. You are thinking along the lines of more is better, and for a newbie to juice, who couldn't even break friggen 200 without juice at 5'11, hell couldn't even break 180 if I remember correctly, then you need to think about other factors than steroids. Maybe it's time you go to the training board.

 

[Juice Authority]

If i had my first cycle back again, I would probably use 1g/week.

Andy

Andy, are you for real? You're one of the smartest guys on this board so I'd be shocked if this is your advice. I hope you're kidding. Recommending 1g of Test a week to a newbie that's 19 years old is plain irresponsible IMO.

 

[JibbyJabba]

Andy, are you for real? You're one of the smartest guys on this board so I'd be shocked if this is your advice. I hope you're kidding. Recommending 1g of Test a week to a newbie that's 19 years old is plain irresponsible IMO.

I don't think he took this particular individuals questionable maturity/intelligence into account...

I think he was saying that, with what he knows now, if he could have his virgin receptors back, he would do a gram of test.

Otherwise, I am worried. This kid doesn't need a mod validating what he is doing.

 

[slobberknocker]

I'd be so embarassed to be on that much gear while being under 180 lbs. But that's me.

 

[RADAR]

I've said this 1,00000000000000000000000000006 times...your body will only grow so fast due to your metabolism...steroids or not....500mg would have given you a great foundation...had you not rushed things!


RADAR

 

[JibbyJabba]

I've said this 1,00000000000000000000000000006 times...


RADAR

That's a lot.

 

[bicepts101]

this fuckin kid is an idiot. soooo stupid.

 

[BigAndy69]

Well, a teen boy doesn't usually lose his virginity to a hot threesome or a hot pornstar. Just be happy to pop your cherry...that's enough of an accomplishment.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Andy, are you for real? You're one of the smartest guys on this board so I'd be shocked if this is your advice. I hope you're kidding. Recommending 1g of Test a week to a newbie that's 19 years old is plain irresponsible IMO.

Shock of all shockers...I agree.

The very fact that someone asks this question leads me to believe that a logical answer will not surfice.

Does anyone ever get medicine from a doctor where the directions are to take one pill every 6 hours and then asks;
"Hey doc, if I just take the whole bottle all at once, won't I heal that much quicker?"

 

[BigAndy69]

Althought I don't agree with the theory, calling the 1+gram a week newbie cycle "stupid" is not right.

There is some legitimacy to using a gram of juice as a first cycle. Your first cycle is your best one and everyone seems to maintain all there gains off the first cycle.

Plus Andy13 never said 1g a week is good for a 19 year old. I think 0g a week is a good start until the age of 22-23

 

[THEEGAME2544]

Does anyone ever get medicine from a doctor where the directions are to take one pill every 6 hours and then asks;
"Hey doc, if I just take the whole bottle all at once, won't I heal that much quicker?"

LOL!!!!!

 

[THEEGAME2544]

In that case, I am sorry.

From now on I will always recommend a gram of test per week to all newbies...

I'll bet you kicked the TAAS's ass as well. And I'll bet you owned the spelling bee.

LOL!!!! This thread is just as entertaining as the last one

 

[Xizor]

hey if more is better why not add in 600mg Eq, 100mg Tren ED, 15iu GH and some slin.. shit did I forget the a-bombs there?

I've seen guys that have gotten terrible sides and not much gains on 750mg test.. The thing is dont rely on the gear to make u big. Stick to lower dosage and let it take time, If ur not gonna be a pro bb I dont see any benefit in taking that large ammounts,
(well some ppl like being huge,but I bet they didnt start out at 1g) Its not some some hyped supplement ur gettin into ur body and since u dont know how your body will respond to it, it would be really stupid to take that much.

Oh and another thing, high iq doesnt have anything to do with being rational..

/Xizor

 

[Lift Chief]

Why jump into 1gram of test when you have no clue how your body will react to steroids? It simply is not prudent.

 

[Turkish]

Someone with a 140 IQ should do a lot better than 1230 on the SAT.

 

[DaddyX]

as for my intelligence, i have a 140 iq and got a 1230 on the sat, 4.0gpa my first semster of college. im not a genius but im not retarded either.

so your book smart. your common sense makes you retarted.

 

[solidspine]

It simply is not necessary and the sides are infact twice as bad, even with Liquidex and Nolvadex,

I did not notice your stats just your SAT score, I love big cycles but reasonable works just as well,

Personally I would rather go longer than go with more gear in a shorter cycle

 

[Vectork39]

get your liver checked bro, and hopefully ur t levels will come back by ur mid 20's

 

[JibbyJabba]

Someone with a 140 IQ should do a lot better than 1230 on the SAT.

seriously...

 

[GUNZ-007]

Plus Andy13 never said 1g a week is good for a 19 year old. I think 0g a week is a good start until the age of 22-23

Bingo!!!!! But do ya think the kid is going too listen to this advice. Nope!!!!

 

[JibbyJabba]

Your first cycle is your best one and everyone seems to maintain all there gains off the first cycle.

IMO, that is false. Specifically, with the word "everyone." you first cycle is your best, for sure, but I think a lot to most newbies get their biggest post-cycle crash on their first cycle - mainly due to inexperience.

maybe if by "maintain" you mean with another cycle.

Most newbies get huge on their first cycle. However, most of them are college kids, like this guy, who have been hard-pressed to deprive themselves of drinking and partying for the duration of their cycle. So... when they get off, they are ready to do some serious partying with their new badass body.

They don't know enough to know that post-cycle is the MOST crucial time. Even if they did, they don't have enough discipline to put out the effort it takes...

People...you mods especially... need to realize here that we are not arguing concepts with this kid. I understand what you all are saying. But if you read his posts, you can see that he has a cursory knowledge of AS, AT MOST. He is having trouble gaining off of a gram of test! I took 200mgs of Deca for 6 weeks my first cycle and gained 30lbs... this kid obvioulsy knows dick about training and diet. His next instinct is to throw in some slin...

Good Lord... stop telling him what he is doing is OK!

Let's discuss the concept of a gram a week for virgin receptors in another thread.

 

[JKerry]

Someone with a 140 IQ should do a lot better than 1230 on the SAT.

not necessarily. they test 2 completely different things. in grammar school i scored over 140 on the IQ test. at the time, however, i probably couldn't answer a single sat question. at 20 i took it again for shits and giggles and scored 165. i took the SAT only once and got 1250, it (SAT) measures some of what you've picked up in school as well as ability (vocabulary, etc.). while iq tests focus on ability alone.

jkerry

 

[IlliniBB]

JKerry u must be a genius with an IQ of 160 the norm is around 115

 

[~ThaGame~]

i don't see 1g being TOO much for the first cycle to be honest. i mean as long as he doesn't exceed 1g for his next cycle there is really no point in hassling him over it.
half the people posting on this are probably just thinking "man, this kid is gonna be so much bigger than me, i only had enough to do 250mg"
eat right, sleep right, train right
just don't exceed 1g and i think it'll be no big deal

 

[slobberknocker]

I'm 6'1, WELL over 300, gaining well on 750 test currently.

 

[~ThaGame~]

yeah 750 mg test is probably as high as i would go, but i'm not gonna dog him using 1g

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Funny you should mention that. I am currently taking 250 a week, but not because I am low on gear or anything, I have PLENTY. I just feel that since I am only in the 260lb range, I have no business going over the 250-600mg range. I am sure when I hit 280ish, I will have to up my dosages to perhaps 700-750, but not now.

And this kid is 5'11 and I think around 168/170 when he started. I don't care what anyone said, that kid should be picking up a fork, not a needle.

 

[Shallow Hal]

i don't see 1g being TOO much for the first cycle to be honest. i mean as long as he doesn't exceed 1g for his next cycle there is really no point in hassling him over it.
half the people posting on this are probably just thinking "man, this kid is gonna be so much bigger than me, i only had enough to do 250mg"
eat right, sleep right, train right
just don't exceed 1g and i think it'll be no big deal

Just curious bro, how many cycles and at what dosages have you done?

 

[Brett44444444]

wow, this post is just silly. Do you know what testosterone is? Are you aware that there are problems it causes that you cant cure by taking some other magic pill (liver, kidnies, etc.). You cant just jump into taking a gram of test, its like taking four shots of herione the first time you try it thinking you want to get as fucked as possible. The test isn't going to kill you, but it does a shitload more than just give you gyno, especially at a whole fucking gram a week.

Just think about it, there is a reason people over 300lbs (slobberknocker) don't even take that much. It just isn't a good idea. The experienced users here know a lot more about gear than you, trust me. Do whatever you want, but don't expect to get off scot-free in 25, or ever 5, years if you pull that silly shit now. You're going to send your health to hell in a handbasket.

 

[Juice Authority]

i don't see 1g being TOO much for the first cycle to be honest. i mean as long as he doesn't exceed 1g for his next cycle there is really no point in hassling him over it.
half the people posting on this are probably just thinking "man, this kid is gonna be so much bigger than me, i only had enough to do 250mg"
eat right, sleep right, train right
just don't exceed 1g and i think it'll be no big deal

What the fuck do you know? Great advice!

 

[bowling ball nutz]

I don't understand whats wrong with doing 1g of test on your first cycle. The gains will be greater than 500mg. You wont get shut down anymore than if you do 500mg (think about it, you are already completley shut down at 500mg, another 500 can't shut you down any further, length of cycle can but not amount). If gyno happens, anti-e's will take care of it (i have ldex and nolva on hand).

SO, whats wrong with 1g on a first cycle?

Your penis will invert and then you wil have a vagina!

 

[JibbyJabba]

i don't see 1g being TOO much for the first cycle to be honest. i mean as long as he doesn't exceed 1g for his next cycle there is really no point in hassling him over it.
half the people posting on this are probably just thinking "man, this kid is gonna be so much bigger than me, i only had enough to do 250mg"
eat right, sleep right, train right
just don't exceed 1g and i think it'll be no big deal

simply fucking stunning...

 

[Juice Authority]

simply fucking stunning...

Ignorance knows no boundaries.

 

[big pumper]

IMO, that is false. Specifically, with the word "everyone." you first cycle is your best, for sure, but I think a lot to most newbies get their biggest post-cycle crash on their first cycle - mainly due to inexperience.

maybe if by "maintain" you mean with another cycle.

Most newbies get huge on their first cycle. However, most of them are college kids, like this guy, who have been hard-pressed to deprive themselves of drinking and partying for the duration of their cycle. So... when they get off, they are ready to do some serious partying with their new badass body.

They don't know enough to know that post-cycle is the MOST crucial time. Even if they did, they don't have enough discipline to put out the effort it takes...

People...you mods especially... need to realize here that we are not arguing concepts with this kid. I understand what you all are saying. But if you read his posts, you can see that he has a cursory knowledge of AS, AT MOST. He is having trouble gaining off of a gram of test! I took 200mgs of Deca for 6 weeks my first cycle and gained 30lbs... this kid obvioulsy knows dick about training and diet. His next instinct is to throw in some slin...

Good Lord... stop telling him what he is doing is OK!

Let's discuss the concept of a gram a week for virgin receptors in another thread.

this has to be the most worthless post i have ever read in my life.

where do you get that i know nothing about post cycle recovery? did you just assume this because im 19? I think you are the fucking moron, how am i not gaining of 1g of test? did you read that thread, the test is bunk, i am not taking 1g of test but 0g of test, any idiot would realize that and the fact that you say a 19 year old can take 1g of test, eat 5000 cals (400g protein), train properly and sleep 10 hours a night shows me that you are the one who knows nothing about AAS, not me. Dont even say shit like i don't know what a calorie is, i have been working out for 4 years, what do you think i use gear and dont eat or train? you are an asshole, you don't know me so don't assume that i know nothing about training because of my age. don't assume that i dont know anything about AAS because i want to take 1g a week on my first cycle. how much gear i take has nothing to do with how i train, how i eat, or how much i know about AAS.

 

[JibbyJabba]

this has to be the most worthless post i have ever read in my life.

where do you get that i know nothing about post cycle recovery? did you just assume this because im 19? I think you are the fucking moron, how am i not gaining of 1g of test? did you read that thread, the test is bunk, i am not taking 1g of test but 0g of test, any idiot would realize that and the fact that you say a 19 year old can take 1g of test, eat 5000 cals (400g protein), train properly and sleep 10 hours a night shows me that you are the one who knows nothing about AAS, not me. Dont even say shit like i don't know what a calorie is, i have been working out for 4 years, what do you think i use gear and dont eat or train? you are an asshole, you don't know me so don't assume that i know nothing about training because of my age. don't assume that i dont know anything about AAS because i want to take 1g a week on my first cycle. how much gear i take has nothing to do with how i train, how i eat, or how much i know about AAS.

I'll venture a guess and say you probably got an 800 on the math portion of the SAT and a 430 on the verbal.

Understanding AS is much more complex than just memorizing steroid profiles. It requires a complex understanding of the science behind it. Given that you can hardly compose a coherent sentence, I am thinking you probably don't know too much about steroids really work. This is further substantiated by the fact that you are amazed that anyone would take issue with a 19 year old novice doing a gram of test... A FUCKING GRAM OF TEST!!!

Your choice to do so much test gives you the burden on proving you can handle doing so much gear... you have yet to say a thing to indicate that you know any more than someone who has done a google search on "steroids."

I think you should throw some slin in the mix... listen to JimmyJones... just use carbs when you feel hypo.

 

[big pumper]

hahah, if i posted a thread sayin "my first cycle 500mg a week of test" you wouldn't say shit about my knowledge of training, diet, etc. but when i come on and say "i want to take 1g of test for my first cycle" you call me an idiot and assume i dont train, and i plan on neglecting post cycle recovery. all because i said i want to take 1g of test, you assume all this shit. do you think i just decided "oh, i think i will take a gram of test cuz it sounds like a nice round number to me!!"

sorry but no one has yet to explain scientifically how i will gain the same amount from 500mg as 1g, will you gain the same from 400mg of deca as 800? im not talking about how much gear i need to grow, no one needs gear to grow. you can grow off 200mg, you can grow off winny but you wont grow as much as if you take 1g of test, understand?????????????????

more gear means more growth, for this reason i want to take 1g as opposed to 500mg. i dont want to take 1g to make up for the fact that i dont eat food and i dont like to workout, im taking 1g of gear to get bigger than if i took 500mg, does this make sense?

can you explain to me how i am going to damage myself doing 1g at 10 weeks, but i wont if i do 500mg at 10 weeks, i would like to know.

 

[Juice Authority]

this has to be the most worthless post i have ever read in my life.

where do you get that i know nothing about post cycle recovery? did you just assume this because im 19? I think you are the fucking moron, how am i not gaining of 1g of test? did you read that thread, the test is bunk, i am not taking 1g of test but 0g of test, any idiot would realize that and the fact that you say a 19 year old can take 1g of test, eat 5000 cals (400g protein), train properly and sleep 10 hours a night shows me that you are the one who knows nothing about AAS, not me. Dont even say shit like i don't know what a calorie is, i have been working out for 4 years, what do you think i use gear and dont eat or train? you are an asshole, you don't know me so don't assume that i know nothing about training because of my age. don't assume that i dont know anything about AAS because i want to take 1g a week on my first cycle. how much gear i take has nothing to do with how i train, how i eat, or how much i know about AAS.

Each time you post you are looking more and more like an ignorant fool who's sole motivation in pursuing this issue is for attention. Your mind is already made up on what you're going to do and how you're going to do it. If you don't want advice don't ask for it. You're like talking to a wall.

 

[JibbyJabba]

hahah, if i posted a thread sayin "my first cycle 500mg a week of test" you wouldn't say shit about my knowledge of training, diet, etc. but when i come on and say "i want to take 1g of test for my first cycle" you call me an idiot and assume i dont train, and i plan on neglecting post cycle recovery. all because i said i want to take 1g of test, you assume all this shit. do you think i just decided "oh, i think i will take a gram of test cuz it sounds like a nice round number to me!!"

sorry but no one has yet to explain scientifically how i will gain the same amount from 500mg as 1g, will you gain the same from 400mg of deca as 800? im not talking about how much gear i need to grow, no one needs gear to grow. you can grow off 200mg, you can grow off winny but you wont grow as much as if you take 1g of test, understand?????????????????

more gear means more growth, for this reason i want to take 1g as opposed to 500mg. i dont want to take 1g to make up for the fact that i dont eat food and i dont like to workout, im taking 1g of gear to get bigger than if i took 500mg, does this make sense?

can you explain to me how i am going to damage myself doing 1g at 10 weeks, but i wont if i do 500mg at 10 weeks, i would like to know.

Here is one reason why I think you are an idiot...

I know you're posting style...

You are writing in a rushed, stream of consciousness manner, with no concern for how what you are writing is viewed - this gives us insight into how your brain works - you are a confused, hyper idividual who probably has ADD.

As for your quesitons (I think there are some in there), they have already been answered, but you won't accept the answers

You have made up your mind. Now stop posting and start lifting.

 

[JibbyJabba]

im not being ignorant, i was actually hoping one of the people on this board could give me a scientific explanation of how 1g of test can a)give me geater gains, or the same gains as 500mg a week .....and b) how 1g of test is/isn't going to harm my body more than 500mg over a period of 10 weeks.

the flaming by you and that other guy has made this thread essentially worthless, if anyone comes on here and disagrees with you or him they get flamed, so i doubt one of the people who actually knows enough about gear to give me an answer to my questions would even post, because then they will have to deal with your flames.

you can't just say that 500mg will give me the same results as 1g and thats the bottom line, because you haven't backed up your statement one bit. you are just spreading a bodybuilding myth it sounds like to me, you are set that you think eveyone needs to do 500mg and anyone who does more is wasting gear and putting their health on the line, but you dont even know why you think this i bet.

like i said, your word isn't good enough. if 500mg gives better results than 250mg then 1g should give better than 500, it just makes sense. you say it doesn't but you don't even explain why, thats why im not listening to you because you dont even back up what you say. if you know so much about aas explain how i can use 500mg, but i wont grow anymore at all no matter how high over 500mg i go. you think 500mg is some magic cut of line, and anything more is a waste but nothing backs up what you say.

For the record, I never said 1g will give the same gains as 500mgs. I think you will get more gains from a gram...

I just don't think you will keep them.

 

[big pumper]

Each time you post you are looking more and more like an ignorant fool who's sole motivation in pursuing this issue is for attention. Your mind is already made up on what you're going to do and how you're going to do it. If you don't want advice don't ask for it. You're like talking to a wall.

im not being ignorant, i was actually hoping one of the people on this board could give me a scientific explanation of how 1g of test can a)give me geater gains, or the same gains as 500mg a week .....and b) how 1g of test is/isn't going to harm my body more than 500mg over a period of 10 weeks.

the flaming by you and that other guy has made this thread essentially worthless, if anyone comes on here and disagrees with you or him they get flamed, so i doubt one of the people who actually knows enough about gear to give me an answer to my questions would even post, because then they will have to deal with your flames.

you can't just say that 500mg will give me the same results as 1g and thats the bottom line, because you haven't backed up your statement one bit. you are just spreading a bodybuilding myth it sounds like to me, you are set that you think eveyone needs to do 500mg and anyone who does more is wasting gear and putting their health on the line, but you dont even know why you think this i bet.

like i said, your word isn't good enough. if 500mg gives better results than 250mg then 1g should give better than 500, it just makes sense. you say it doesn't but you don't even explain why, thats why im not listening to you because you dont even back up what you say. if you know so much about aas explain how i can use 500mg, but i wont grow anymore at all no matter how high over 500mg i go. you think 500mg is some magic cut of line, and anything more is a waste but nothing backs up what you say.

 

[_Yossarian_]

as for my intelligence, i have a 140 iq and got a 1230 on the sat, 4.0gpa my first semster of college. im not a genius but im not retarded either.

Im sorry, but anyone with an IQ of 140 would know that 130 is considered genius. If you got your score from www.iqtest.com or some other bullshit website than forget about it. Those tests are a joke..

 

[big pumper]

Here is one reason why I think you are an idiot...

I know you're posting style...

You are writing in a rushed, stream of consciousness manner, with no concern for how what you are writing is viewed - this gives us insight into how your brain works - you are a confused, hyper idividual who probably has ADD.

As for your quesitons (I think there are some in there), they have already been answered, but you won't accept the answers

You have made up your mind. Now stop posting and start lifting.

actually i don't have ADD. i dont think there is such thing as ADD, its just a way for school children to get labeled as "special" so they dont have to do the same work as other students. so if a kid at a school is a brat and doesn't do his work, the teachers ignore the problem and juts say he has ADD, so he gets his A without having to do work. Do you know how they diagnose ADD, look it up, its a bullshit disorder. you just diagnosed me with ADD by reading my posts, now i guess i will tell my teacher that i have ADD and i can get some cool pills and i will only have to do half the work of other students

and no, you haven't answered my questions the way i was hoping they would be answered, read my last post.

 

[JibbyJabba]

actually i don't have ADD. i dont think there is such thing as ADD, its just a way for school children to get labeled as "special" so they dont have to do the same work as other students. so if a kid at a school is a brat and doesn't do his work, the teachers ignore the problem and juts say he has ADD, so he gets his A without having to do work. Do you know how they diagnose ADD, look it up, its a bullshit disorder. you just diagnosed me with ADD by reading my posts, now i guess i will tell my teacher that i have ADD and i can get some cool pills and i will only have to do half the work of other students

and no, you haven't answered my questions the way i was hoping they would be answered, read my last post.

Oh... thanks for the tip!

ADD is fake, huh?

I guess its just coincidence that those showing substantial ADD symptoms show abnormal activity in their frontal lobe when a Quantitative Electroencephalography is performed.

bullshit disorder... just like epilepsy.

 

[Juice Authority]

im not being ignorant, i was actually hoping one of the people on this board could give me a scientific explanation of how 1g of test can a)give me geater gains, or the same gains as 500mg a week .....and b) how 1g of test is/isn't going to harm my body more than 500mg over a period of 10 weeks.

the flaming by you and that other guy has made this thread essentially worthless, if anyone comes on here and disagrees with you or him they get flamed, so i doubt one of the people who actually knows enough about gear to give me an answer to my questions would even post, because then they will have to deal with your flames.

you can't just say that 500mg will give me the same results as 1g and thats the bottom line, because you haven't backed up your statement one bit. you are just spreading a bodybuilding myth it sounds like to me, you are set that you think eveyone needs to do 500mg and anyone who does more is wasting gear and putting their health on the line, but you dont even know why you think this i bet.

like i said, your word isn't good enough. if 500mg gives better results than 250mg then 1g should give better than 500, it just makes sense. you say it doesn't but you don't even explain why, thats why im not listening to you because you dont even back up what you say. if you know so much about aas explain how i can use 500mg, but i wont grow anymore at all no matter how high over 500mg i go. you think 500mg is some magic cut of line, and anything more is a waste but nothing backs up what you say.

Ok. This thread will soon be closed as a result of the flaming but here are the cold hard facts:

1) You're not looking for advice or any sort of scientific explanation (not that you would be able to follow it if it were provided).

2) Your questions have been asked and answered several times

3) You ask for advice then continue to argue your point ad infinitum

4) You have little to no cycling experience and have no business jumping on a cycle let alone 1g a week

5) You orginally started a thread about BDL products being bunk, which is completely inaccurate.

6) You have proven over and over again on several threads now that you lack the most basic understanding of AAS, training and dieting

In closing, get in the gym, work out, eat right and maybe when you're in your 20's consider doing a cycle. Your natural levels of testosterone at age 19 are high enough. You don't need AAS at this point in your life.

 

[Shallow Hal]

did you read that thread, the test is bunk, i am not taking 1g of test but 0g of test,

Listen bro. You are just not going to listen to anybody. You have your mine made up and your going do what you are going to do. Fine. Do a gram of test and see what happens. I hope it works out well for you.

The thing I am tired of is you keep bad mouthing BDL test, saying it is bunk. You have absolutely no proof of that. Go to doctor and get your test levels checked or send your leftover test to lab to get tested. But until you have proof quit bad mouthing BDL. And don't say you know the test is fake because you are not growing anymore. You have already put on twenty five pounds. Understand that there is only so much weight your body is able to gain in a short amount of time.

It seems like you expected to put on 5 pounds per week for 10 weeks.

 

[big pumper]

Listen bro. You are just not going to listen to anybody. You have your mine made up and your going do what you are going to do. Fine. Do a gram of test and see what happens. I hope it works out well for you.

The thing I am tired of is you keep bad mouthing BDL test, saying it is bunk. You have absolutely no proof of that. Go to doctor and get your test levels checked or send your leftover test to lab to get tested. But until you have proof quit bad mouthing BDL. And don't say you know the test is fake because you are not growing anymore. You have already put on twenty five pounds. Understand that there is only so much weight your body is able to gain in a short amount of time.

It seems like you expected to put on 5 pounds per week for 10 weeks.

i wasn't bad mouthing BDL, the purpose of that thread wasn't to bad mouth BDL. i was just wondering what was going on, then a guy tells me there is a thread over on AB where people are calling BDL's enan bunk. Well, i go over to Ab, do a search for "BDL" and i get a thread where 3 other people say they are using his test E and every single on believes its bunk.

i put two and two togeather and figured that it is infact bunk test E. no one is even getting wood from the gear, one guy took a homebrew, had a sex drive, switched to BDL for a few weeks and eventually he lost all sex drive (like he was cominng off a cycle, the real homebrew gear was probably out of his system), then he says he stopped BDL and started using a homebrewa gain and boom, he had sex drive. what does this tell you.

i dont have the money right now to get that shit tested just to prove a point to this board, i already threw away $400 on the BDL gear, the HCG i was using, the anti-e's i had used, and teh dbol for that cycle, i dont have another 100 to test the gear, its not worth my money (that i dont have).

if anyone is that sure that all BDL gear is legit, i will mail you what i have left for free and if you want it tested go ahead, and please post results, i would be interested in seeing if there is any test e in it (and it would help me decide if i can start another cycle right away or if i have to wait). the 20ml vial is probably 2/3 full but the flip top is removed, you will just have to trust me that i didn't inject olive oil into the vial (i have no reason to do this, i dont make my own brand of gear).

if anyone is that sure i will mail it to you, but like i said i dont have the money to test it myself, i have made up my mind its bunk.

and i didn't even mention bdl on this thread, juts that i wasn't actually doing "1g of test a week" like someone claimed.

 

[babbabuee]

bla bla bla

 

[magman1]

bro...why limit yourself to a G...save some money, and hit at least 4 or 5g's...be a man! all kidding aside, 1000mg may be twice the dosage, but wont provide twice the results...tho it may provide twice the side effects

 

[sk*]

Dude, you are a buck 60 who has been training for four years and you think you know about diet and training. Ahh, shut up.

I wish I listened to other people when they told me not to start a cycle too soon. Take their advice.

-sk

 

[~ThaGame~]

and yet again Juice Authority ruins another thread, way to go you fuckin duschbag.
EVERY fuckin time you post a reply it results into flaming. would you just shut the fuck up for once, jesus christ.

does anybody else get sick of this?

 

[Vectork39]

PLEASE LOCK THIS, THIS THREAD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE
im not going to flame but this is not progressing, and no one is learning a damn thing here, maybe if someone could post this magical "scientific explanation" we could all go home happy. regardless its interesting to read this back and forth but its just not necessary for this board, go to another board and argue.

 

[big pumper]

and yet again Juice Authority ruins another thread, way to go you fuckin duschbag.
EVERY fuckin time you post a reply it results into flaming. would you just shut the fuck up for once, jesus christ.

does anybody else get sick of this?

yeah, i was trying to get some intelligent discussion going but obviousley that wasn't going to happen.

i like how juice authority came on my DBOL thread and says "dbol are so cheap, there are no fakes."

So he knows so much about gear yet he thinks there are no dbol fakes out there, makes me wonder.

 

[Shallow Hal]

and yet again Juice Authority ruins another thread, way to go you fuckin duschbag.
EVERY fuckin time you post a reply it results into flaming. would you just shut the fuck up for once, jesus christ.

does anybody else get sick of this?

You posted on this thread how you didn't think one gram of test was bad for newbie. Your profile says your 17. I would bet you have never done a cycle. So you jump on here to say how you don't think one gram is to much. What the hell are you basing that on, it can't be from experience.

As for JA, believe it or not he is trying to help this kid. He may not be doing it in the most tactful manner but he is trying to tell him he is doing to much gear, which is true.

 

[~ThaGame~]

You posted on this thread how you didn't think one gram of test was bad for newbie. Your profile says your 17. I would bet you have never done a cycle. So you jump on here to say how you don't think one gram is to much. What the hell are you basing that on, it can't be from experience.

As for JA, believe it or not he is trying to help this kid. He may not be doing it in the most tactful manner but he is trying to tell him he is doing to much gear, which is true.

well actually assclown i'll be 18 very shortly. i'll put money on it you weren't 5'10 205lbs at my age and had veins in your triceps and quads now did ya? and yes i have cycled doin 500 sust 400 eq, gonna up the sust to 750 next week.
uncle is a bodybuilder also, leaves for vegas on the 20th, i'm not new to the game bro, 2 competitions, 1 first place 1 3rd.
hope that helps shallowhal

 

[~ThaGame~]

by the way, why don't you actually read my reply. i said personally 1g is too much but i don't think it will be a problem
and that doggin on the kid isn't gonna help anything.

so to edit that in to which a shallow person like yourself could understand (no pun intended) would be exactly what everyone else has been saying only w/o the flames and bashing

 

[Shallow Hal]

well actually assclown i'll be 18 very shortly. i'll put money on it you weren't 5'10 205lbs at my age and had veins in your triceps and quads now did ya? and yes i have cycled doin 500 sust 400 eq, gonna up the sust to 750 next week.
uncle is a bodybuilder also, leaves for vegas on the 20th, i'm not new to the game bro, 2 competitions, 1 first place 1 3rd.
hope that helps shallowhal

Your right, when I was 18 I was 6'1". I won't agrue with you on this. I am convinced that kids are going do what there going to do and you can't stop them. I will bet when you are older both you and big pumper will realize you started using gear to early. Good luck to you both.

 

[DaddyX]

by the way, why don't you actually read my reply. i said personally 1g is too much but i don't think it will be a problem
and that doggin on the kid isn't gonna help anything.

so to edit that in to which a shallow person like yourself could understand (no pun intended) would be exactly what everyone else has been saying only w/o the flames and bashing

LOL, your only 17 and he's the assclown ? get the fuck out of here son. your as dumb as this kid. 205 with veins - LOL. wow thats impressive. you really are justpathetic kid and you should be banned. you have no intentions of contributing to this board.

 

[~ThaGame~]

yeah i should be banned because the almighty daddyx doesn't like me.
i didn't really understand anything you said, must not have been able to hear you with JA's cock in your mouth.

 

[BrickGirl]

Wow, can't wait for school to start back, geez.

 

[sk*]

Wow, can't wait for school to start back, geez.

Not taking too many credits eh?

-sk

 

[Spidey]

Damn, there is so much ignorance on this thread it's actually funny.

Pumper - You want a scientific explanation as to why 1 g test is better (or not) than 500 mg? OK, I will type s-l-o-w-l-y so you can keep up, LOL.

One reason is that you only have so many androgen receptors and everyone is unique in this respect (i.e. everyone will have different numbers of AR's). If you saturate your receptors, adding more test will not further increase anabolism but it will proportunately increase the risk of sides (acne, testicular shrinkage, increased risk of prostate cancer, gyno, etc.). Also, saturating your receptors can actually down-regulate your androgen receptors and make AS even less effective. 500 mg ew test may ALREADY saturate your receptors (you don't know how many you have). Jumping right into a gram ew was just plain irresponsible and will not necessarily give you more gains then you would have had at 500 mg ew.

You are 160 lbs at 5'11" (or was it 5'10") and have been working out for 4 years? Anyone who knows how to diet and train should have been able to do better than that. That's why a lot of people are "assuming" you know nothing of diet and training.

I can relate to some degree. I am a classic ectomorph hardgainer who weighed 130 lbs soaking wet at 5'8" for most of my adult life. I didn't know shit about how to diet or train either and mostly ended up eating the wrong kinds of food and severely overtrained to boot. No wonder I was small! I have put on 35 lbs of mostly muscle in the past 9 months with as a lot less gear than you are taking. I attribute much of my success to learning how to diet and train; gear is secondary.

At 19 years old, you are likely done growing taller but you are probably still growing thicker and gear (especially at the foolish doses you are on) will put a stop to that very quickly. Ironically, if you had waited just a few more years before you started shooting gobs of test, you probably would have had a much better base on which to grow. It is likely that you have actually stunted your growth by taking AS to early.

Look, there are a LOT of very knowledgable people who have contributed to this thread and EVERY SINGLE ONE has been in agreement that you are taking way too much test to be healthy or even grow properly. A smart person would recognize that and think twice about their choices. A moron would just say "they don't know shit" and just do it anyway, likely fucking his health royally in the bargain. Which one are you?....

 

[DaddyX]

yeah i should be banned because the almighty daddyx doesn't like me.
i didn't really understand anything you said, must not have been able to hear you with JA's cock in your mouth.

nay, i was just commenting how your too young and dumb to be doing any AAS. you are of no knowldge and help absolutly nobody out or ask for help. your presents is here just to talk shit cause thats all you know how to be is a computer tough guy. BTW dumbass, you don't listen on a computer you read. your in tenth grade so you should have learned how to read right ? well have fun junior year kiddo

 

[~ThaGame~]

actually i will be a senior, at around 220lbs by then

seriously though daddyx, you live in michigan right? well i have a competition on November 1st in Grand Rapids, you should know where that is. If i have to earn your "respect" for being "too young" why don't you stop by the show. i will give you the addy and my real name so you can look for me. i'll be the one in the teen section waiting to go to nationals after i win that show. thanks man

 

[Juice Authority]

yeah i should be banned because the almighty daddyx doesn't like me.
i didn't really understand anything you said, must not have been able to hear you with JA's cock in your mouth.

You really are an ignorant fool that contributes nothing to this board other than useless insults and bad advice. I can't believe you would recommend 1g of Test a week to a newbie who has never cycled before and is still in his teens like you are. You are obviously some teenage puck still going through puberty. There should an age requirement to post on this board. I bet you're not even old enough to buy a lotto ticket. Take your flames, juvenile comments and piss poor advice and go some chat room where the maturity level is on par with your own. This board, the people and the discussions that place are far beyond your Sub 80 IQ.

 

[~ThaGame~]

JA-your welcome to attend the competition too bro, i mean u'll probably be staying overnight at Daddyx house anyhow

 

[Juice Authority]

JA-your welcome to attend the competition too bro, i mean u'll probably be staying overnight at Daddyx house anyhow

Case in point. Go somewhere else.

 

[big pumper]

Damn, there is so much ignorance on this thread it's actually funny.

Pumper - You want a scientific explanation as to why 1 g test is better (or not) than 500 mg? OK, I will type s-l-o-w-l-y so you can keep up, LOL.

One reason is that you only have so many androgen receptors and everyone is unique in this respect (i.e. everyone will have different numbers of AR's). If you saturate your receptors, adding more test will not further increase anabolism but it will proportunately increase the risk of sides (acne, testicular shrinkage, increased risk of prostate cancer, gyno, etc.). Also, saturating your receptors can actually down-regulate your androgen receptors and make AS even less effective. 500 mg ew test may ALREADY saturate your receptors (you don't know how many you have). Jumping right into a gram ew was just plain irresponsible and will not necessarily give you more gains then you would have had at 500 mg ew.

You are 160 lbs at 5'11" (or was it 5'10") and have been working out for 4 years? Anyone who knows how to diet and train should have been able to do better than that. That's why a lot of people are "assuming" you know nothing of diet and training.

I can relate to some degree. I am a classic ectomorph hardgainer who weighed 130 lbs soaking wet at 5'8" for most of my adult life. I didn't know shit about how to diet or train either and mostly ended up eating the wrong kinds of food and severely overtrained to boot. No wonder I was small! I have put on 35 lbs of mostly muscle in the past 9 months with as a lot less gear than you are taking. I attribute much of my success to learning how to diet and train; gear is secondary.

At 19 years old, you are likely done growing taller but you are probably still growing thicker and gear (especially at the foolish doses you are on) will put a stop to that very quickly. Ironically, if you had waited just a few more years before you started shooting gobs of test, you probably would have had a much better base on which to grow. It is likely that you have actually stunted your growth by taking AS to early.

Look, there are a LOT of very knowledgable people who have contributed to this thread and EVERY SINGLE ONE has been in agreement that you are taking way too much test to be healthy or even grow properly. A smart person would recognize that and think twice about their choices. A moron would just say "they don't know shit" and just do it anyway, likely fucking his health royally in the bargain. Which one are you?....

hey bro, thanks for the reply, that is what i was looking for.

one part im not sure about is downregulation of the AR, i thought this was a myth? i think that i have read that if you use gear longer than 12 weeks the AR can downregulate, but it actually upregulates over the period of a 10 week cycle, im not sure where dosage fits into this. But i dont see how having more test in your system can downregulate the AR, if they are saturated how will the extra test have any effect on the AR (it will have the same half life still). also, i dont agree about the sides. if you dont get more gains how will you get more sides, doesn't the AR control ALL the actions of androgens, sides and gains? i think thats why its said that if you dont gain from AAS you wont get the sides either, because every action of an androgen has to go through the androgen receptor, thats why compounds that bind strongley to the receptor cause sides, and weak AR agonists don't give many sides. this is how i understood it atleast, but i will look more into it.

what do you mean about getting thicker though? do you mean my bones? as far as height i have been 5 ten since i was 15, so thats not an issue.

 

[DaddyX]

actually i will be a senior, at around 220lbs by then

seriously though daddyx, you live in michigan right? well i have a competition on November 1st in Grand Rapids, you should know where that is. If i have to earn your "respect" for being "too young" why don't you stop by the show. i will give you the addy and my real name so you can look for me. i'll be the one in the teen section waiting to go to nationals after i win that show. thanks man

grand rapids is a little too far for me to drive. im by detroit......thats like a 2 hour ride. you will never get my respect. you have not posted one positive thing to this board. you say your going to be a senior in highschool then why are you on this board. you are not even 18 years old. train,eat and lift hard. being 220lbs means nothing. your weight means shit son. i could be 260 but i would be a fat ass. instead im 225 with a good bf%. can you post a link to a thread of yours that was actually helpful. i can't find one

 

[Juice Authority]

Come back and talk to us when you are the ripe age of 25 and burned out on roids.

Bro, this guy is a total moron and is just here to talk shit. Just ignore the dumbass.

 

[-SD-]

well actually assclown i'll be 18 very shortly. i'll put money on it you weren't 5'10 205lbs at my age and had veins in your triceps and quads now did ya? and yes i have cycled doin 500 sust 400 eq, gonna up the sust to 750 next week.
uncle is a bodybuilder also, leaves for vegas on the 20th, i'm not new to the game bro, 2 competitions, 1 first place 1 3rd.
hope that helps shallowhal

Come back and talk to us when you are the ripe age of 25 and burned out on roids.

 

[-SD-]

Bro, this guy is a total moron and is just here to talk shit. Just ignore the dumbass.

The thing that bothers me the most on this board is teenagers who do roids, but I cant blame them becase everything on this board is about steroids and how they are ok. Seems to be a waste of good naturally high hormone levels in my opinion, and money of course.
Im 28 and just started my 3rd cycle 2 days ago, total gear intake will be 700mg/wk., and thats the most Ive done ever, everything before was below that amount. If I had the knowledge of diet and training that I do now and could be 17 again I would have made fantastic gains, without touching a drug.

 

[serge]

I don't understand whats wrong with doing 1g of test on your first cycle. The gains will be greater than 500mg. You wont get shut down anymore than if you do 500mg (think about it, you are already completley shut down at 500mg, another 500 can't shut you down any further, length of cycle can but not amount). If gyno happens, anti-e's will take care of it (i have ldex and nolva on hand).

SO, whats wrong with 1g on a first cycle?

get E-Book CME, by L. Rea, he explains WHY, WHY, WHY

 

[big pumper]

people say young people have higher T levels but it makes no difference. no one has 500mg of test, if you got the T levels of a 19 year old and a 28 year old tested the actual difference would make 0 difference in how much muscle you can build.

 

[Juice Authority]

The thing that bothers me the most on this board is teenagers who do roids, but I cant blame them becase everything on this board is about steroids and how they are ok. Seems to be a waste of good naturally high hormone levels in my opinion, and money of course.
Im 28 and just started my 3rd cycle 2 days ago, total gear intake will be 700mg/wk., and thats the most Ive done ever, everything before was below that amount. If I had the knowledge of diet and training that I do now and could be 17 again I would have made fantastic gains, without touching a drug.

As the old saying goes,"you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". You can tell him how good the water is but ultimately the horse will have to decide what he wants to do. These "kids" are simply operating under the false assumption that more is better and are using AAS as a crutch instead of a tool. There is nothing you or anyone else can say to change their narrow-minded view on things. I know when was 19 no one could tell me anything. I thought I knew it all. Over the last 11 years I have learned how very little I know in the grand scheme of things.

 

[-SD-]

people say young people have higher T levels but it makes no difference. no one has 500mg of test, if you got the T levels of a 19 year old and a 28 year old tested the actual difference would make 0 difference in how much muscle you can build.

Im saying if you tested someones T levels at 19, then tested the same person at age 28 it will make a difference. It all depends how high the levels were to begin with since we are all different.

 

[he-man]

i dont usually post often or to threads like this but wow - after page 6 or 7 i couldnt read on. think i actually lost IQ points reading this thread. its clear this guy is gonna do what he wants so......let him and forget him. you guys just keep feeding him by replying to his shit. if you ignore these types they will usually go away on their own.

 

[~ThaGame~]

grand rapids is a little too far for me to drive. im by detroit......thats like a 2 hour ride. you will never get my respect. you have not posted one positive thing to this board. you say your going to be a senior in highschool then why are you on this board. you are not even 18 years old. train,eat and lift hard. being 220lbs means nothing. your weight means shit son. i could be 260 but i would be a fat ass. instead im 225 with a good bf%. can you post a link to a thread of yours that was actually helpful. i can't find one

alright seeing as how i started lifting when i was 13 and 135lbs i'm almost positive no one thinks i'm fat, although my gurl says i have alot of "girth" whatever that means....

for your info daddyx i eat sleep and breath bodybuilding, like i said my pic will be posted shortly and then you will never bother me again

i went from 135lbs to 195lbs naturally, last time i checked my bodyfat was before my competiton last march. i was ~180lbs 6% bf
cut for 8 weeks prior to that show and yes i won

 

[Swolenpecs]

Personally 500 will give you monsterous gains first time around, everyone misses their first cycle. I messed around with some Sust. my first go round and put on a solid 18, with a shitty routine.

Plz check out the sticky " I can't stand this bullshit anymore"