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Whats everyone bench ?

you're still ok even with the injury....your weights are nothing to be ashamed about. you're better than half the bodybuilders I know. good luck with your injury.
 
smtimelevi said:
at 17 years old 175 lbs. 5' 10" I benched 250x1 -drug free

at 19 years old 185 lbs. 5' 10" I benched 275x1- drug free

at 20 years old 205 lbs. 5' 10" I benched 315x1- after my third cycle

at 22 years old 220 lbs. 5' 10" I benched 315x2- during my fifth cycle
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That's a very small improvement after 5 cycles. You should have stayed natural because you were doing fine.
 
airsmith2k said:
that shit shouldnt even count....that bench shirt or watever the hell they are wearing is cheating!! i can see wearing elbow wraps for your joints but that bench press shirt is just ridiculous
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Powerlifting now a days is an entirely different sport than it was even 15-20 years ago. Shirted benching is so different than raw benching, they are basically two different events. Neither one is better or worse than the other and they can't be compared to each other. It's apples and oranges.
 
I wonder how must weight most of these posters would have to drop from their max bench in order to execute a strick rep with a pause at the bottom and keeping their asses on the bench...and holding the bar within the regulation width.
 
pre accident 405. Now ten months later... @225
Damn shoulder... getting much better though, won't be long.

Also I did the Blast your bench program when I was at 315. it took me to 4 wheels in 3 weeks. It was pretty amazing. It focused on bench 5 times a week for certain percentages. It involved incline and other flat bench builder movements. It even brought my incline to 315. That was more amazing to me then the flat bench!
 
295 x 6. could do more but thats what i start with and drop down from there.
 
bigjd69 said:
How can you count a lift with that shirt on to me its cheating
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I feel the same way about people wearing pads when playing pro football, but since it's allowed by the rules of their sport, who am I to say?



:cow:
 
bigjd69 said:
How can you count a lift with that shirt on to me its cheating
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And soccer players wearing cleats.

And bodybuilders using diuretics to cut for competition. Cheating! Cheating, I say!

Hell, in that case, anyone use steroids here? Cheaters, all of you!




:cow:
 
perryscoon said:
How many lbs advantage does a bench shirt give you?
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That totally depends on many factors.
1) Shirt won't give you anything without lots of practice, and shirt specific training, i.e. training your lock out.
2) If your strong in the triceps and weak in the pecs, a shirt can help considerably.
3) If your stong in the pecs and weak in the triceps with long arms, the shirt helps very little.
4) There are dozen's of types of shirts, all having different advantages, and favoring different body types, and lifting styles.
5) The best of the best with years of practice can bench 300 pounds more with a triple ply open backed shirt than they can raw.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
That totally depends on many factors.
1) Shirt won't give you anything without lots of practice, and shirt specific training, i.e. training your lock out.
2) If your strong in the triceps and weak in the pecs, a shirt can help considerably.
3) If your stong in the pecs and weak in the triceps with long arms, the shirt helps very little.
4) There are dozen's of types of shirts, all having different advantages, and favoring different body types, and lifting styles.
5) The best of the best with years of practice can bench 300 pounds more with a triple ply open backed shirt than they can raw.[/QUOTE]

I never agreed with these for the exact reason u list, 300 lbs more than raw. They have to waddle around with that thing on. The only way they can bend there arms is if there is 500+lbs forcing them down.
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^^^ I'm sorry, I have to agree with my guys, if you can't bench it without any assistance from a rubberband(shirt, suit, whatever), then in my book, it doesn't count. Also, as mentioned earlier, if you have to lift your ass off the bench, or if you lose form, it doesn't count either.
 
bsdgeek said:
^^^ I'm sorry, I have to agree with my guys, if you can't bench it without any assistance from a rubberband(shirt, suit, whatever), then in my book, it doesn't count. Also, as mentioned earlier, if you have to lift your ass off the bench, or if you lose form, it doesn't count either.
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Count for what?
In competition it counts.
For muscle building it counts.
I agree things have gotten out of hand. What was once used for shoulder safety, now is used for performace.
But if you can name one other sport where modern equipment has not helped increase performance, I might concede your point.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Count for what?
In competition it counts.
For muscle building it counts.
I agree things have gotten out of hand. What was once used for shoulder safety, now is used for performace.
But if you can name one other sport where modern equipment has not helped increase performance, I might concede your point.
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not every competition. my buddy is in natural masters powerlifting here in the states and in his governing body they are not allowed.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Count for what?
In competition it counts.
For muscle building it counts.
I agree things have gotten out of hand. What was once used for shoulder safety, now is used for performace.
But if you can name one other sport where modern equipment has not helped increase performance, I might concede your point.
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for strength assessments. in strength assessments you use the flat bench or leg press to have a base line for fitness programs. if you're wearing a bench shirt, and you press several times more weight than your actual 1RM, i- as a personal trainer am going to set you up for injury. i agree that it has gotten out of hand, but what used to be considered a safety item, like you said, has now become an assist. for example: if i can bench 100 lbs by myself, but 200 lbs with my spotter helping me get it up, does that count?
 
8and20 said:
not every competition. my buddy is in natural masters powerlifting here in the states and in his governing body they are not allowed.
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yep, that's what i thought too, i have seen some guys still using the old type support shirts though, but not in comps
 
new to the board my one rep max was 525 i am 6'3" at the time weighed 315 bf was at 12 % gettin back now after a shoulder injury from football i can do 405 for a set of 10 now
 
tank5469 said:
new to the board my one rep max was 525 i am 6'3" at the time weighed 315 bf was at 12 % gettin back now after a shoulder injury from football i can do 405 for a set of 10 now
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ur 6'3 and 315 with 12 percent body fat? lets see a pic.....if thats true are as big as ronnie coleman
 
From what people are saying about bench shirts, I can't see how they can be legal in competition. If you've got a force trying to push the weight up besides your own, then it seems like an obvious enhanced lift to me. But I'm no powerlifter, so what do i know...
 
perryscoon said:
From what people are saying about bench shirts, I can't see how they can be legal in competition. If you've got a force trying to push the weight up besides your own, then it seems like an obvious enhanced lift to me. But I'm no powerlifter, so what do i know...
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I know, dude. My and my friends play hardcore flag football in my backyard, and we all agree that those NFL guys are pussies. How can all those pads be legal in a game? We're obviously better football players than them, right? :rolleyes:

I can throw out another dozen analogies if anyone would like, but this thread is digressing from how much can you bench to what is a proper bench press. It's funny that PLers don't go around whining and making excuses that BBers, generally speaking, have lower body fat... yet BBers still whine about PLers lifting more than them. These are different sports with different rules, people. Get over it.

And LMAO @ the guy talking down about shirts and benching yet uses the leg press instead of the squat. Lemme guess, most of you anti-shirt guys use straps when you deadlift, too... but that's not cheating! (yeah, it's not cheating when you can't even hold on to the fuckin' bar in the first place, lol.)





:cow:
 
As much as I love BBer versus PLer jokes, perhaps this thread would probably be better served if posters mentioned whether they were a BBer or a PLer. That way, the BBers won't feel so intimidated. :D

And all of you BBers can compare hammer strength bench numbers while flexing in the mirror. :D :D :D



:cow:
 
you say straps are cheating but bench press shirts are completely cheating to me...how much does a shirt add to ur bench? 40 plus pounds prolly......i know this guy in my gym that does powerlifting competitions....i watch him in the gym and he BARELY puts up 315 one time....but in his competition his bench is like 345-350 because of the shirt....how can he go around and tell people 350 is his max bench?
 
samoth said:
And LMAO @ the guy talking down about shirts and benching yet uses the leg press instead of the squat. Lemme guess, most of you anti-shirt guys use straps when you deadlift, too... but that's not cheating! (yeah, it's not cheating when you can't even hold on to the fuckin' bar in the first place, lol.)
:cow:
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are you serious about the leg press thing?? obviously, you've never professionally trained and know that this is a NATIONAL standard for assessing strength for training clients. look it up. the standard is the bench press, and leg press, these are done due to no load on the spine and safety reasons. someone who has never done any exercise at all could never properly perform squats, especially at 1RM loads, you'd be asking for a lawsuit. but hey, it's funny right?(lots of things can be funny when you don't understand it) the guy asked why i said it didn't count to me, i explained it. i think that's what a lot of other guys on here think. and it's funny that ONLY in power lifting does the assist of a shirt count for a 1RM lift. all others- football, wrestling, and any other sport where they have periodized lifting schedules don't allow it. but the one that REALLY matters- powerlifting- out of all other sports, allows it. so it must be good, huh??? yep, that makes a lot of fuckin sense.
 
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bsdgeek said:
for example: if i can bench 100 lbs by myself, but 200 lbs with my spotter helping me get it up, does that count?
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this example is apples to apples.
 
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bsdgeek said:
are you serious about the leg press thing?? obviously, you've never professionally trained and know that this is a NATIONAL standard for assessing strength for training clients. look it up. the standard is the bench press, and leg press, these are done due to no load on the spine and safety reasons. someone who has never done any exercise at all could never properly perform squats, especially at 1RM loads, you'd be asking for a lawsuit. but hey, it's funny right?(lots of things can be funny when you don't understand it) the guy asked why i said it didn't count to me, i explained it. i think that's what a lot of other guys on here think. and it's funny that ONLY in power lifting does the assist of a shirt count for a 1RM lift. all others- football, wrestling, and any other sport where they have periodized lifting schedules don't allow it. but the one that REALLY matters- powerlifting- out of all other sports, allows it. so it must be good, huh??? yep, that makes a lot of fuckin sense.
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Leg press produces no load on the spine...are you serious? When you do a leg press all the weight is pushing against your pelvis and lower back...and in a very unnatural way too.

It can be one of the worst exercises for people with back injuries and the weight that one needs to stress the legs adequately is way in excess of what is needed in the squat.
 
bsdgeek said:
are you serious about the leg press thing?? obviously, you've never professionally trained and know that this is a NATIONAL standard for assessing strength for training clients. look it up. the standard is the bench press, and leg press, these are done due to no load on the spine and safety reasons. someone who has never done any exercise at all could never properly perform squats, especially at 1RM loads, you'd be asking for a lawsuit. but hey, it's funny right?(lots of things can be funny when you don't understand it) the guy asked why i said it didn't count to me, i explained it. i think that's what a lot of other guys on here think. and it's funny that ONLY in power lifting does the assist of a shirt count for a 1RM lift. all others- football, wrestling, and any other sport where they have periodized lifting schedules don't allow it. but the one that REALLY matters- powerlifting- out of all other sports, allows it. so it must be good, huh??? yep, that makes a lot of fuckin sense.
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WHAT???
So if a NFL player gets caught using a bench press shirt he's fined or something? LOL.
Football players (or other non iron junkies) generally never push themselves in the weight room, and never for a max rep. They use weights to improve their game, and won't risk injury in the Gym.
Powerlifters put it all on the line, and except that training injuries are part of the sport.
Bottom line: A bench shirt can be a great training tool, and will help increase your raw bench as well as your shirted bench, and can help increase muscle thickness and tendon/joint strength as well.
I'm living proof - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8503uwx&s=1 From November 11th 2007, at 6'6" 317 and 45 years of age.
 
bsdgeek said:
are you serious about the leg press thing?? obviously, you've never professionally trained and know that this is a NATIONAL standard for assessing strength for training clients. look it up. the standard is the bench press, and leg press, these are done due to no load on the spine and safety reasons. someone who has never done any exercise at all could never properly perform squats, especially at 1RM loads, you'd be asking for a lawsuit. but hey, it's funny right?(lots of things can be funny when you don't understand it) the guy asked why i said it didn't count to me, i explained it. i think that's what a lot of other guys on here think. and it's funny that ONLY in power lifting does the assist of a shirt count for a 1RM lift. all others- football, wrestling, and any other sport where they have periodized lifting schedules don't allow it. but the one that REALLY matters- powerlifting- out of all other sports, allows it. so it must be good, huh??? yep, that makes a lot of fuckin sense.
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ive seen you around for a long time bro, i know your smart and have some good things to say most of the time....but ^this^ post really sucks balls
 
please will the BB's stop bashing powerlifters and shirts. You all have a huge misunderstanding of the shirts and everything that goes into making them work. PLEASE one of you pretty boy fucks load your max on a bench, add 150lbs, then put a bench shirt on and try it. NO! put 50lbs. over your max on it and give it a go. YOU WOULD ALL FAIL! Not one of you has any clue.

Or you could try this..... max out as often as we do for a month, just dont use the "cheater" shirts we do. See how your joints like it. Most of you probably arent strong enough but maybe even some of you could manage to blow a rotator cuff or tear a peck. Good thing you avoided using a shirt now you look really admirable and honest, everyone in your gym will respect you much more because you didnt use supportive gear.

btw I weigh 200lbs and bench well over 400 raw, most of you pussies couldnt touch that with a shirt and your fag training partner curling it
 
tropo said:
Leg press produces no load on the spine...are you serious? When you do a leg press all the weight is pushing against your pelvis and lower back...and in a very unnatural way too.

It can be one of the worst exercises for people with back injuries and the weight that one needs to stress the legs adequately is way in excess of what is needed in the squat.
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i agree it can be bad for the spine, but it doesn't load it- ie- it doesn't compress vertebrae , and it is a safer mechanism for measuring lower body strength in untrained individuals. again- read my entire post, not a portion of it, i said untrained, meaning they have never trained, and have gone through the interview process where they have been cleared by their doc for physical exercise. usually, you're not going to get into weight that will cause hip fexion to the extent of causing undue stress to the lumbar region.

also, people with lower back issues do train with the leg press, not the squat.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
WHAT???
So if a NFL player gets caught using a bench press shirt he's fined or something? LOL.
Football players (or other non iron junkies) generally never push themselves in the weight room, and never for a max rep. They use weights to improve their game, and won't risk injury in the Gym.
Powerlifters put it all on the line, and except that training injuries are part of the sport.
Bottom line: A bench shirt can be a great training tool, and will help increase your raw bench as well as your shirted bench, and can help increase muscle thickness and tendon/joint strength as well.
I'm living proof - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8503uwx&s=1 From November 11th 2007, at 6'6" 317 and 45 years of age.
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bro, you specifically asked why i didn't count a bench with a shirt. i gave my reason, and samoth mocked me, i then retaliated. that's all, if you count it with a shirt, then count it, as a personal trainer, i can't. that's the whole point here.
 
DaveTSI said:
please will the BB's stop bashing powerlifters and shirts. You all have a huge misunderstanding of the shirts and everything that goes into making them work. PLEASE one of you pretty boy fucks load your max on a bench, add 150lbs, then put a bench shirt on and try it. NO! put 50lbs. over your max on it and give it a go. YOU WOULD ALL FAIL! Not one of you has any clue.

Or you could try this..... max out as often as we do for a month, just dont use the "cheater" shirts we do. See how your joints like it. Most of you probably arent strong enough but maybe even some of you could manage to blow a rotator cuff or tear a peck. Good thing you avoided using a shirt now you look really admirable and honest, everyone in your gym will respect you much more because you didnt use supportive gear.

btw I weigh 200lbs and bench well over 400 raw, most of you pussies couldnt touch that with a shirt and your fag training partner curling it
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obviously, i have hit a nerve with my power lifting comrades. bro, i wasn't attacking you, nor the sport of powerlifting. i agree, i wouldn't want to do it, and most of the guys on here wouldn't either. i also know that shirts sometime give some guys an extra boost, and some are just what they are supposed to be- support equipment. i'm all for support equipment, and i think that some of the guys on here are too, but they were primarily talking about the ones that actually help with the lift.

let's be real clear here gentlemen, i previously stated that i didn't count a bench max with a shirt on. ---ME---personally---I DON'T COUNT IT- FOR WHAT I DO. i can't, but i'm not coaching powerlifters, nor am i training them. i know a few guys that do, and they have very, very different methods of training, and it's a very different world.

so, back to my stand, i can't count it. and the reason is, i'm not training powerlifters, nor do i personally participate in it. and i really have no reason to try to rep a weight 1 time, just to see how much i can press, i'm past that point in my life. you guys can have it.
 
DaveTSI said:
ive seen you around for a long time bro, i know your smart and have some good things to say most of the time....but ^this^ post really sucks balls
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Dave, my good bro, i wasn't tryin to say anything bad about powerlifting, although, i look back at it now, and it does come across pretty shitty huh? for that, my bad, i apologize. i wasn't tryin to slam, nor disrespect the powerlifting community nor you. i was in a moment with being mocked, that i lost control of my fingering of the keyboard. i was trying to make a point, and went a little far.

we good bro?
 
i really dont care how much i lift

just that i am excelling at bb and progressing nicely....

i am trying to gain slowly.....nice lean gains over time.....

well see how it goes
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
WHAT???
So if a NFL player gets caught using a bench press shirt he's fined or something? LOL.
Football players (or other non iron junkies) generally never push themselves in the weight room, and never for a max rep. They use weights to improve their game, and won't risk injury in the Gym.
Powerlifters put it all on the line, and except that training injuries are part of the sport.
Bottom line: A bench shirt can be a great training tool, and will help increase your raw bench as well as your shirted bench, and can help increase muscle thickness and tendon/joint strength as well.
I'm living proof - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8503uwx&s=1 From November 11th 2007, at 6'6" 317 and 45 years of age.
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Ya I never work 1 max reps ether. I do 3 rep max 365 bench. I like to think I train like a power lifter though. I keep reps low and weights high. I just don't like 1 rep maxing lifts.
 
bsdgeek said:
people with lower back issues do train with the leg press, not the squat.
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this is true, a good mate of mine broke his back in a motocycle accident and after all his rehab he was told if he wanted to work his legs he would have to use the legpress not squats, he was pissed after hearing that from his doc and his physio
 
my training partner broke 3 vertebrae in his back in a motorcycle accident 4 years ago, he's now good for a 450-500lb squat. just sayin lol

i used to have lower back problems...then i started squatting and deadlifting and it went away. your core gets so much stronger, strong stabilizers are so important in having a healthy back. Leg pressing is good for...well....not much.
 
405x2
415x1
225x26
6'6" 286lbs about 18% BF
Age 46

286lbs was getting to be a bit much in my 40's so dieted down to current weight of about 270. Can only do 405 now with help. I too have wrist troubles (ganglion cyst) and elbow pain & torn rotator cuff. All on left side (which is weaker side).

My goal is to do 405 unassisted again and get it on video to relive "glory days" when I'm in the old farts home or show my daughters dates when she grows up lol !
 
Powerbuilder i agree, shit i dont even think my roomate could do 132X5...lol
Just an update on my progress, i did 305 yesterday and thats an improvement of 40lbs in less than a month , thanks to Dbol and Test...
 
SMALLSUCKS702 said:
Powerbuilder i agree, shit i dont even think my roomate could do 132X5...lol
Just an update on my progress, i did 305 yesterday and thats an improvement of 40lbs in less than a month , thanks to Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and Test...
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what dose and brand u takin?
 
My personal best was 405 for 3.Iam 5'9" 187lbs with 8%bf.Then I blew out my shoulder.Now I am all about tempo then the amount of weight.Its all about breaking down the muscle then the amount you can bench press.
 
^^thats near world class for your weight ^^ :rolleyes: srry im calling bs
 
Max is 465 ibs, tried 2nd rep and slightly tore rotator cuff exactly 1 yr ago while on cidoteston and a-drol cycle.

Now only do 225 ibs for 3 sets of 20 - 25, too scared to feel that pain in the shoulder again.

stats:

5'10
250 ibs
BF ?
 
There is a 27-year-old in New Hartford, NY who holds the world record bench press for a light-weight lifter. In the under 180lb weight category he was the first man to bench more than 800lb.
 
nydj66 said:
There is a 27-year-old in New Hartford, NY who holds the world record bench press for a light-weight lifter. In the under 180lb weight category he was the first man to bench more than 800lb.
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you've been misinformed bro

1. there is no "under 180lb category" in any federation
2. no human being under 180lbs has ever moved close to 800lbs in the benchpress
 
The 'world Record' Raw bench press was by Scott mendelson i reckon, at 715lbs. He weighed in at around 315 lbs to do that! Plus the distance between HIS chest and full lockout, is a LOT less than a 187lb guy on lockout!

Calling BS here!
 
socket said:
The 'world Record' Raw bench press was by Scott mendelson i reckon, at 715lbs. He weighed in at around 315 lbs to do that! Plus the distance between HIS chest and full lockout, is a LOT less than a 187lb guy on lockout!

Calling BS here!
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well im assuming he was talking about an equipped benchpress. if he meant raw than that is obviously incorrect.
 
DaveTSI said:
you've been misinformed bro

1. there is no "under 180lb category" in any federation
2. no human being under 180lbs has ever moved close to 800lbs in the benchpress
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In college, the lightweight division is 181lbs or less.

All I know is he had a big write up in the local paper where they stated he was the first lightweight to bench more than 800lbs.
 
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