What Will Change Next?!?!

[Nelson Montana]

Sooner or later...whatever line of thought is accepted, becomes outdated, discredited, or replaced with a new way to think.

When it comes to steroids the tides have shifted dramatically.

For example;

Pyramiding is best. Pyramiding is worst.

It's best to taper down. Tapering is useless.

Decca doesn't supress. Decca is most suppressive.

Test is the worst choice as a first cycle. Test is the best for a first cycle.

Winstrol is weak. Winstrol is stong.

Anti e's are best after a cycle. Anti e's should be used during a cycle.

Avarr is safe. Avarr wreaks havoc with your lipids.

Droll is the most powerful muscle builder. Droll is all water weight.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is essential. Nolva isn't worth the sides.

Clomid makes me a horndog. Clomid made me lose my dick.

5000 i.u's of HC G is standard. 500 i.u's is standard.

Prohormones are like weak steroids. Pro hormones just bump estrogen.

50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle.

G H is the necter of the gods. G H is overrated.

Clenbuterol is anti catabolic. Clen is catabolic.

Pharm grade is best. There's no difference between pharm and vet gear. Pharm grade is best.

And on and on it goes.

There is so much more information. But being MISinformed is often worse than being UNinformed. In some cases, the original line of thinking was correct, just to be replaced by a better sounding psuedo scientific line of thinking that was wrong. In many ways we know a lot more. In many ways we don't know shit.

So I present this challange.

What current tenet do you think will fall out of favor within a few years? And what is taken as a "proven method" that you you don't buy into?









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[timtim]

i have never felt hcg was needed and never will. have done 20 week cycles and recovered fine with no nut shrinkage during or post and everything in the blood bounced right back.

 

[needtogetaas]

well I would have to say pharm grade has and always will be the best you can get...I dont know many people that can say otherwise...its just more expensive.

 

[cadey]

derma is good derma is bad

 

[Speakerman]

bump and not alway more expensive

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

There is one thing that will always stand true. Pussy was great and pussy conties to be great. That's why we juice - for the pussy. Everything else is just worthless talk. On a more serious note, I think that peoples knowledge and understanding of gear and it's effects (both positive and negative) is growing and evolving. Modern juicing theories are probably overall more advanced and correct than those in the past. Some of Duchaines theories have proven to be wrong and the guy was a freaky genius. There are just more people out there searching for a better understanding of the physiological aspects of gear and with that comes advancement of knowledge. I think modern juicers are on the right track for the most part.

 

[ShowKidd]

out of your list here are the ones i agree with.


Pyramiding is best. Pyramiding is worst.

It's best to taper down. Tapering is useless.

Decca doesn't supress. Decca is most suppressive. Not Sure

Test is the worst choice as a first cycle. Test is the best for a first cycle. evidence shows it to be very suppressive but i had great results from it and recovered just fine

Winstrol is weak. Winstrol is stong.

Anti e's are best after a cycle. Anti e's should be used during a cycle. each his own

Avarr is safe. Avarr wreaks havoc with your lipids. dont know

Droll is the most powerful muscle builder. Droll is all water weight. dont know

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is essential. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - isn't worth the sides. depends on the person i personally dont like it

Clomid makes me a horndog. Clomid made me lose my dick. neither

5000 i.u's of HC G is standard. 500 i.u's is standard.

Prohormones are like weak steroids. Pro hormones just bump estrogen.

50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle.

G H is the necter of the gods. G H is overrated. never used it, although you need to run it for 6 months to see results it seem over rated but people have have great results with it.

Clenbuterol is anti catabolic. Clenbuterol is catabolic.

Pharm grade is best. There's no difference between pharm and vet gear. Pharm grade is best.

And on and on it goes.

There is so much more information. But being MISinformed is often worse than being UNinformed. In some cases, the original line of thinking was correct, just to be replaced by a better sounding psuedo scientific line of thinking that was wrong. In many ways we know a lot more. In many ways we don't know shit.

So I present this challange.

What current tenet do you think will fall out of favor within a few years? And what is taken as a "proven method" that you you don't buy into?









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[mattdan]

There is one thing that will always stand true. Pussy was great and pussy conties to be great. That's why we juice - for the pussy. Everything else is just worthless talk.

That - may be the most true thing ever posted on the board.

 

[austin77]

It's best to taper down. Tapering down is useless.
Whats your opionion on this Nelson??

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's best to taper down. Tapering down is useless.
Whats your opionion on this Nelson??

I can't say for sure it'll make a big difference one way or the other and there are plenty of arguments against it, but still...it kinda makes sense. I'd start PC T at this stage, and not wait until you're totally flat.

 

[nolimitxxx]

Sooner or later...whatever line of thought is accepted, becomes outdated, discredited, or replaced with a new way to think.

When it comes to steroids the tides have shifted dramatically.

For example;

Pyramiding is best. Pyramiding is worst.

It's best to taper down. Tapering is useless.

Decca doesn't supress. Decca is most suppressive.

Test is the worst choice as a first cycle. Test is the best for a first cycle.

Winstrol is weak. Winstrol is stong.

Anti e's are best after a cycle. Anti e's should be used during a cycle.

Avarr is safe. Avarr wreaks havoc with your lipids.

Droll is the most powerful muscle builder. Droll is all water weight.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is essential. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - isn't worth the sides.

Clomid makes me a horndog. Clomid made me lose my dick.

5000 i.u's of HC G is standard. 500 i.u's is standard.

Prohormones are like weak steroids. Pro hormones just bump estrogen.

50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle.

G H is the necter of the gods. G H is overrated.

Clenbuterol is anti catabolic. Clenbuterol is catabolic.

Pharm grade is best. There's no difference between pharm and vet gear. Pharm grade is best.

And on and on it goes.

There is so much more information. But being MISinformed is often worse than being UNinformed. In some cases, the original line of thinking was correct, just to be replaced by a better sounding psuedo scientific line of thinking that was wrong. In many ways we know a lot more. In many ways we don't know shit.

So I present this challange.

What current tenet do you think will fall out of favor within a few years? And what is taken as a "proven method" that you you don't buy into?


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lol - at least we can agree on something

 

[lostinfitness]

Big parts of opinion are Tests and Results. Since everyone has different DNA, there will always be wide open test groups. Chemistry is always getting more and more advanced, that being said things will always change.

LosT

 

[Anthony Roberts]

What current tenet do you think will fall out of favor within a few years? And what is taken as a "proven method" that you you don't buy into?
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Whatever gets published, honestly. Whatever a currently recognized author gets widely circulated around the boards will be the next thing, right or wrong, if it's well written enough and even 1/10th correct.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Whatever gets published, honestly. Whatever a currently recognized author gets widely circulated around the boards will be the next thing, right or wrong, if it's well written enough and even 1/10th correct.

Right. Some of the dumbest doozies include,

bridging,

dextrose as some sort of magic food,

glutamine,

L dopa,

the ketogenic diet,

GHB - gamma hydroxybutyric - - gamma hydroxybutyric - ,

Androsol,

6 OXO,

A gram for a first cycle to "make the most of it"

Claiming E Q. and Primmo are "the same thing."

Saying that Decca doesn't cause gynecomastia.

Comparing anti e's per tablet, not per milligram.

Vitex

ZMA

dnp

Geez, there are so many. So much stupidity that people defended with such fervor. And then...gone.

 

[todoveritas]

I would add:
Tr3n doesn't cause gyno or doesn't cause limp dick.

 

[mr.nitro]

I think the way we preform pct will change drasticly in the fuure.

 

[solidspine]

I have no idea why anavar is so popular right now,

I have always found it pretty useless and very expensive.

I see it falling out of favor, and real gear replacing it.

 

[beenieman]

Right. Some of the dumbest doozies include,

bridging,

dextrose as some sort of magic food,

glutamine,

L dopa,

the ketogenic diet,

GHB - gamma hydroxybutyric - - gamma hydroxybutyric - - gamma hydroxybutyric - ,

Androsol,

6 OXO,

A gram for a first cycle to "make the most of it"
Claiming E Q. and Primmo are "the same thing."

Saying that Decca doesn't cause gynecomastia.

Comparing anti e's per tablet, not per milligram.

Vitex

ZMA

dnp - dinitrophenol -

Geez, there are so many. So much stupidity that people defended with such fervor. And then...gone.

Thanks for your posts recently on acceptable amounts for beginners. I'm scaling my test dose back 100 mg's.

K your way...

 

[Bruce]

one thing remains. smart responsble juicers that listen to their own bodies and act accordingly and do bloodwork and eat right see great results with any steroid that they react well with, be it eq, deca, test, var, etc etc..

 

[off_safety]

'test is best' is one constant that i base my cycles on.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have no idea why anavar is so popular right now,

I have always found it pretty useless and very expensive.

I see it falling out of favor, and real gear replacing it.

Never been a fan of varr. I think it got a rep for being "safe", but when used at effective dosages, it isn't so safe.

 

[daveyboy2345]

I would say 15-30 mgs of dianabol are "safer" than mega doses of var at 60-120 mgs day.
Safe being relative.

 

[layinback]

Sooner or later...whatever line of thought is accepted, becomes outdated, discredited, or replaced with a new way to think.

When it comes to steroids the tides have shifted dramatically.

For example;

Pyramiding is best. Pyramiding is worst.

It's best to taper down. Tapering is useless.

Decca doesn't supress. Decca is most suppressive.

Test is the worst choice as a first cycle. Test is the best for a first cycle.

Winstrol is weak. Winstrol is stong.

Anti e's are best after a cycle. Anti e's should be used during a cycle.

Avarr is safe. Avarr wreaks havoc with your lipids.

Droll is the most powerful muscle builder. Droll is all water weight.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is essential. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - isn't worth the sides.

Clomid makes me a horndog. Clomid made me lose my dick.

5000 i.u's of HC G is standard. 500 i.u's is standard.

Prohormones are like weak steroids. Pro hormones just bump estrogen.

50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle.

G H is the necter of the gods. G H is overrated.

Clenbuterol is anti catabolic. Clenbuterol is catabolic.

Pharm grade is best. There's no difference between pharm and vet gear. Pharm grade is best.

And on and on it goes.

There is so much more information. But being MISinformed is often worse than being UNinformed. In some cases, the original line of thinking was correct, just to be replaced by a better sounding psuedo scientific line of thinking that was wrong. In many ways we know a lot more. In many ways we don't know shit.

So I present this challange.

What current tenet do you think will fall out of favor within a few years? And what is taken as a "proven method" that you you don't buy into?









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science unlike religion is never static and begs to be disproved. unfortunately we are not dealing with science. we are dealing anecdotal
info.....totally subjective. the clandestine art of juicing is ambiguous at best. we have some vague guidelines and currently accepted practices but it will all change in time. bout the only thing that aint gonna change is this shit will make you mo bigger and stronger if you do it right.

 

[musclehealth]

"50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle."



So I guess 30mg dbol wont do anything? Worked for me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

"50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle."



So I guess 30mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - wont do anything? Worked for me.

In that regard I'm old school. I think guys go way overboard with oral dosages.

 

[stressman13]

I have no idea why anavar is so popular right now,

I have always found it pretty useless and very expensive.

I see it falling out of favor, and real gear replacing it.

This statement sucks. Anavar has a place. I know people who have had great gains with no sides. To say its useless is retarded and honestly to say its still that expensive shows me that you probably have a really shitty source because its not much more then Winstrol - stanozolol. I continually see this statement and continually think its a truly retarded one. What works for some, doesnt work for others. People dont seem to understand that. his is why you have some douche who can get away with no PCT - post cycle therapy - because his body allows him to recover without it running around telling people they dont need PCT and that its for pussys. Ive used anavar before with success. Although I agree mega doses arent as safe. If your worried about losing hair though anavar at 50mg isnt that bad an alternative to winny (although I do prefer winny and dont lose much hair with it).

 

[xrsist]

There is one thing that will always stand true. Pussy was great and pussy conties to be great. That's why we juice - for the pussy. Everything else is just worthless talk. On a more serious note, I think that peoples knowledge and understanding of gear and it's effects (both positive and negative) is growing and evolving. Modern juicing theories are probably overall more advanced and correct than those in the past. Some of Duchaines theories have proven to be wrong and the guy was a freaky genius. There are just more people out there searching for a better understanding of the physiological aspects of gear and with that comes advancement of knowledge. I think modern juicers are on the right track for the most part.

haha this is very true brother

 

[needsize]

tapering up definitely works...your body gets adapts to anything really fast, this includes doses of steroids...in the past I found my gains plateaued halfway through a cycle when I ran the same dose all the way through, but continued much longer when I added more mg every week all the way through
timtim, I disagree with the hcg, did you get blood tests done on your testosterone levels, as well as tests done before and after to determine sperm production? I have run cycles up to a year long, and know beyond any shadow of a doubt that first neither of my kids would exist if I didnt use hcg, and second, that I would have permanent damage if I hadnt used hcg
as for the original question, I think whatever the people with the most to gain are pushing, is what will change. Looking at a lot of those points, many of them have gone back and forth on the basis of sponsors from different boards, or just "experts" pushing whatever it is they are trying to sell behind the scenes

 

[Anthony Roberts]

as for the original question, I think whatever the people with the most to gain are pushing, is what will change. Looking at a lot of those points, many of them have gone back and forth on the basis of sponsors from different boards, or just "experts" pushing whatever it is they are trying to sell behind the scenes

Yes and no. I mean...that's the kind of thing that might change on one site or forum...but not across the board...

I don't know...maybe...

I'll use (my favorite example) AIFM. It "sold" here, as a concept, but is totally disregarded everywhere else. So while a sponsor can influence a site, it takes a lot more to influence the entire "community" (whatever that is).

 

[advanced-stealth]

It's best to taper down- I agree with that statement.

 

[needsize]

Yes and no. I mean...that's the kind of thing that might change on one site or forum...but not across the board...

I don't know...maybe...

I'll use (my favorite example) AIFM. It "sold" here, as a concept, but is totally disregarded everywhere else. So while a sponsor can influence a site, it takes a lot more to influence the entire "community" (whatever that is).

I dont buy magazines anymore, but it seems like that was happening in those as well for a time..."experts" being paid by various companies or sponsors, pushing various approaches or products, and in the process trashing all others...I actually used to believe the stuff I read in those mags, part of the reason my first cycle wasnt till age 27, I believed it could be done naturally

 

[Nelson Montana]

.I actually used to believe the stuff I read in those mags, part of the reason my first cycle wasnt till age 27, I believed it could be done naturally

Is that so bad? You may not look the way you do otherwise.

 

[needsize]

Is that so bad? You may not look the way you do otherwise.

not bad at all, I have always been happy I waited, I wouldnt have made the gains that I did. I used to post up my post cycle pics from my first cycle, and put them against guys that have been juicing for years...funny how mine tended to look better
I think waiting gave me the understanding that juice was a small took in getting to where I want to, not the magic bullet many seem to think it is....I just wish some of the stuff in the mags was more honest, because we so often want to believe what we read

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I think the things that "change" on the boards is different than real change. ON every major sites, less than 5% of the people who visit it ever click through to a forum. Less than 5% of that 5% ever sign up as a member...and then only half (or less) of the people who sign up ever post anything, ever.

So if you really examine "change" and what will change, it's not the stuff on the boards...it's the stuff on the main page of the sites that needs to change, to really effect things on a worthwhile scale.

As an example, Bill Roberts abandoned some of his most popular theories, but never formally printed retractions, or had them removed from Meso. So the "class I & II" theory held sway for long after he abandoned the idea. It was even ripped off here, on EF by a former mod (trying to sound smart).

The next thing to change is what you read next on the major sites main pages, not in the forums. After I wrote my PCT article, steroid.com's sponsors had to start carrying the products in it...after my albuterol article, the same thing happened. That's real change...Clen sales dropped and Albuterol flew off the charts.

To really change things, you have to know something (I hope), but you need to be a persuasive writer, and engaging, so people make it to the end of the piece. I could be wrong about (Article X) but until a better writer and steroid author says so, in a widely read piece...I'm not...even if I am. Ya know?

Hell....Duchaine was wrong sometimes, but shit, could he write.

What's next?

Who knows....but it'll be on the forums SECOND, not FIRST.

I say the same thing about the next big steroid author....they'll need to know about steroids, but more importantly, they'll have to be a better writer than I am. I'm sure that kid's coming up, in Oaklahoma somewhere, reading me and Duchaine, but more interested in English than the Science...and some day, he'll be the next big thing.

 

[st8grad]

I think that progesterone causes gyno will be discredited. Also that steroid "receptors" get clogged, or down grade, or whatever.

Sooner or later...whatever line of thought is accepted, becomes outdated, discredited, or replaced with a new way to think.

When it comes to steroids the tides have shifted dramatically.

For example;

Pyramiding is best. Pyramiding is worst.

It's best to taper down. Tapering is useless.

Decca doesn't supress. Decca is most suppressive.

Test is the worst choice as a first cycle. Test is the best for a first cycle.

Winstrol is weak. Winstrol is stong.

Anti e's are best after a cycle. Anti e's should be used during a cycle.

Avarr is safe. Avarr wreaks havoc with your lipids.

Droll is the most powerful muscle builder. Droll is all water weight.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is essential. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - isn't worth the sides.

Clomid makes me a horndog. Clomid made me lose my dick.

5000 i.u's of HC G is standard. 500 i.u's is standard.

Prohormones are like weak steroids. Pro hormones just bump estrogen.

50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle.

G H is the necter of the gods. G H is overrated.

Clenbuterol is anti catabolic. Clenbuterol is catabolic.

Pharm grade is best. There's no difference between pharm and vet gear. Pharm grade is best.

And on and on it goes.

There is so much more information. But being MISinformed is often worse than being UNinformed. In some cases, the original line of thinking was correct, just to be replaced by a better sounding psuedo scientific line of thinking that was wrong. In many ways we know a lot more. In many ways we don't know shit.

So I present this challange.

What current tenet do you think will fall out of favor within a few years? And what is taken as a "proven method" that you you don't buy into?









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[yonkers weights]

What works for some does not always work for others. Each body is different and reacts to different compounds differently. That's why you get 2 sides to each story. Just like training, some got high reps and some go low. Each body reacts its own way and that's why these issues change. It depends on who is posting. MY .02

 

[bbkingpin]

Sooner or later...whatever line of thought is accepted, becomes outdated, discredited, or replaced with a new way to think.

When it comes to steroids the tides have shifted dramatically.

For example;

Pyramiding is best. Pyramiding is worst.

It's best to taper down. Tapering is useless.

Decca doesn't supress. Decca is most suppressive.

Test is the worst choice as a first cycle. Test is the best for a first cycle.

Winstrol is weak. Winstrol is stong.

Anti e's are best after a cycle. Anti e's should be used during a cycle.

Avarr is safe. Avarr wreaks havoc with your lipids.

Droll is the most powerful muscle builder. Droll is all water weight.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is essential. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - isn't worth the sides.

Clomid makes me a horndog. Clomid made me lose my dick.

5000 i.u's of HC G is standard. 500 i.u's is standard.

Prohormones are like weak steroids. Pro hormones just bump estrogen.

50 mgs of an oral is the maximum the liver can tolerate. 50mgs is the minimum worth taking in a cycle.

G H is the necter of the gods. G H is overrated.

Clenbuterol is anti catabolic. Clenbuterol is catabolic.

Pharm grade is best. There's no difference between pharm and vet gear. Pharm grade is best.

And on and on it goes.

There is so much more information. But being MISinformed is often worse than being UNinformed. In some cases, the original line of thinking was correct, just to be replaced by a better sounding psuedo scientific line of thinking that was wrong. In many ways we know a lot more. In many ways we don't know shit.

So I present this challange.

What current tenet do you think will fall out of favor within a few years? And what is taken as a "proven method" that you you don't buy into?









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Why don't you watch Jim Cramer on "Mad Money" (CNBC) and he will contradict himself in this way all within the span of one hour. Oh yeah ... don't forget to buy his book!