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Creepusmaximus
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Looks like a better built Berlin wall doesn't it?
what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?
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canadianhitman
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Creepusmaximus said:
Yeah, but the Berlin Wall formidable because of the series of fences the East side. Between the fences there were attack dogs, and there were snipers perched in watchtowers waiting for some fool to try and get through that as well.
beachbum777
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Yasmina said:
It was written in the bible jews.etc so he probaly was jewish but i dont believe they were trying to establish themselves as better. After 2000 years christian still preach this as the word as god. The jews will turn to christianity on judgement day.
Allon
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Golden delicious...
You obviously did not really understand what I was writing. If you had any realistic sense about this or any situation, you would realize that I am about as far left as you get when it comes to Israeli's. Yet my whole post you treat as a fascistic, immoral, insensitive statement. You read it how you wanted to hear it but thats fine...
It is life. Palestinians have been offered many peace deals by Israel and instead of accepting anything, they say no... we will kill you.
No other country would put up with what Israel puts up with, but it is easy for you to talk from Australia... Why don't you go back to England or Ireland and give it back to the aborigani's? I will tell you why. Because thats life. It is too late for that now. It makes no sense to do it at this point. Even though it would be just.
Jews on the other hand didn't come from somewhere else and take palestine. We have nowhere to go back to...
Anyway, you didn't want to hear the honest opinion of an Israeli, you just wanted to give a righteous speech about how bad Israel is... I think you may be a bit naive.
I am not even gonna waste my time replying to Dirk Howat.
You obviously did not really understand what I was writing. If you had any realistic sense about this or any situation, you would realize that I am about as far left as you get when it comes to Israeli's. Yet my whole post you treat as a fascistic, immoral, insensitive statement. You read it how you wanted to hear it but thats fine...
It is life. Palestinians have been offered many peace deals by Israel and instead of accepting anything, they say no... we will kill you.
No other country would put up with what Israel puts up with, but it is easy for you to talk from Australia... Why don't you go back to England or Ireland and give it back to the aborigani's? I will tell you why. Because thats life. It is too late for that now. It makes no sense to do it at this point. Even though it would be just.
Jews on the other hand didn't come from somewhere else and take palestine. We have nowhere to go back to...
Anyway, you didn't want to hear the honest opinion of an Israeli, you just wanted to give a righteous speech about how bad Israel is... I think you may be a bit naive.
I am not even gonna waste my time replying to Dirk Howat.
bluepeter
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I feel that building a wall to protect your citizens is OK except when you are building it right through someone else's land. That's bullshit.
There is much talk about Palestinians being terrorists but very little about the fact that Israel are terrorists too. Just because they do it with brute strength and superior weaponry instead of blowing themselves up with cheesy homemade bombs doesn't mean they aren't.
I always have to laugh at the Israeli argument 'we have nowhere else to go'. So that justifies the brutal oppression and annexation of another people? Fuck no. I have no land so I should go and forcibly take someone else's and then kill some of them every time they attack me to try and drive me off?
There is much talk about Palestinians being terrorists but very little about the fact that Israel are terrorists too. Just because they do it with brute strength and superior weaponry instead of blowing themselves up with cheesy homemade bombs doesn't mean they aren't.
I always have to laugh at the Israeli argument 'we have nowhere else to go'. So that justifies the brutal oppression and annexation of another people? Fuck no. I have no land so I should go and forcibly take someone else's and then kill some of them every time they attack me to try and drive me off?
Allon
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Well, actually if you have no place to go and something like the holocast happens then yes, most people would be very aggresive about finding a place to live with security. I have no issue with that and I don't care about history and who Israel/palestine belonged to before then. It is controlled by Israel now. Palestinians need to "grow up" and swallow their pride and accept the reality. It is the only way anything positive will start to happen for them.
Israel are definitely terrorists. I agree with that. Actually, if it was reversed and we were the one to be the weaker, I am sure we would be much more resourcefull and evil than them with our terror tactics. But we have an army and we leave the unofficial "terror" to them.
I am definitely for giving up the territories and taking down the wall. I hate settlers more than I hate palestinian terrorists. The army is made of people, some of which are trigger happy for sure... It is a horrible situation. But for someone in snuggly canada or safe australia to think they can judge Israels situation or be self righteous about it is a bit ridiculous for us Israeli's. You cannot compare our situation to anyones and we are looking for peace. Not for escalation.
The way I see it, is that the palestinians are digging their own hole. They are up against a despearte enemy who are backed to a wall. We take our countries security very seriously and will not risk that for anything. They need to realize this.
We off course have things that we need to realize and change also.
But this thread is about the wall. And I explained my view on that in my first post here.
Israel are definitely terrorists. I agree with that. Actually, if it was reversed and we were the one to be the weaker, I am sure we would be much more resourcefull and evil than them with our terror tactics. But we have an army and we leave the unofficial "terror" to them.
I am definitely for giving up the territories and taking down the wall. I hate settlers more than I hate palestinian terrorists. The army is made of people, some of which are trigger happy for sure... It is a horrible situation. But for someone in snuggly canada or safe australia to think they can judge Israels situation or be self righteous about it is a bit ridiculous for us Israeli's. You cannot compare our situation to anyones and we are looking for peace. Not for escalation.
The way I see it, is that the palestinians are digging their own hole. They are up against a despearte enemy who are backed to a wall. We take our countries security very seriously and will not risk that for anything. They need to realize this.
We off course have things that we need to realize and change also.
But this thread is about the wall. And I explained my view on that in my first post here.
bluepeter
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Allon said:
I don't disagree with many of your points but to say Israel is looking for peace is slightly ridiculous. Israel goads Palestinians every chance they get and building a wall through their land is just another example. That is not the way to promote peace. That said, the Palestinians are certainly not promoting peace with their tactics either. I don't really consider myself on either side of the debate, both parties need to grow up otherwise this mess will go on for another couple of decades.
Both sides need to suck it up and make significant concessions. Currently, the only thing happening if further inciting each other.
GoldenDelicious
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Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its
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the very phrase you used to describe yourself, "as far left as you get when it comes to Israeli's" serves to illustrate your own bias, and when i ponder taht people like you are the "left" in israel, then all it serves to do is disgust me even more.
i didnt attack you in your post (generally, though i was not in love with your callous attitude towards a people for whom you seem to ahve little regard, with your "thats life" comment) but rather the policies of your state. i have nothing against you personally, as you are the product of your surroundings, but objectively, when i read a post created by a mind raised in israel (yours), i am more aware of the sort of social mindset that exists in Israel, and find it sickening.
logically, since israel is the agressor, it should make the most concessions. given what i have seen/read about the state of israel so far, i can see why the palestinians are not prone to accept a deal with them anytime soon
get out of your victim mindset before you talk to me, please.
israel = agressor
palestinians = opressed victims
it is not for the israelis to complain about having to "put up" with anything. it is for israel to, ah, how shall we say...GET THE FUCK OUT
now, as for the plight of the australian aboriginies - i am actually all for giving the land back to them. that is fair, imo. it is theirs, and they should have it. however, there are now many many people living in relatively small areas of the country, and so, and EQUITABLE arrangement must be made between indiginous and non indiginous owners, which i am all for. as the situation here now stands, we are in the business of identifying landowners (since many areas of the country were in fact owned by no one or are owned by tribes that have become extinct, and have been annexed by the commonwealth government (as is any property when a person dies without an heir) ) and in the meantime, tehre are many programs designed and funded specifically for aboriginies, to educate and compensate tehm until they, as a group, are sufficiently educated/literate (there is a huge problem wiht this particular aspect - many of the mofos cant read etc) and thenthey may procede with hammering out details in court
oh, and just so you know, my heritage is greek. not irish, or scottish, or english. im not one of those pasty white mofos 
please, save your bullshit for someone who can be diverted by bullshit.
fuck me drunk. a jew stealing land on the basis that they have no land, thereby making the other person landless, and that making it alright, and then telling me that that is why it is acceptable conduct....PPPPPFFFFTTTTTT
and youre wrong about me wanting to hear the opinion of an israeli - i heard it, and was disgusted by the undertones of what i read. what it seems to me is that you dont like my response to your opinion, and really wanted to say "oh, youre so nice for an israeli! so logical! so rational!"
sorry mate, i think your thinking and rationale is bent out of shape by your bias.
cheerios
no, i understood it quite well, i can assure you. what you might perhaps consider is that it is difficult to see what is what when youre the one in the bubble - while you are "as far left as you get when it comes to Israeli's", you are not as far left as truly objective observers (like me, in far away australiaAllon said:
)the very phrase you used to describe yourself, "as far left as you get when it comes to Israeli's" serves to illustrate your own bias, and when i ponder taht people like you are the "left" in israel, then all it serves to do is disgust me even more.
i didnt attack you in your post (generally, though i was not in love with your callous attitude towards a people for whom you seem to ahve little regard, with your "thats life" comment) but rather the policies of your state. i have nothing against you personally, as you are the product of your surroundings, but objectively, when i read a post created by a mind raised in israel (yours), i am more aware of the sort of social mindset that exists in Israel, and find it sickening.
well, it seems taht for some reason or other, they were not willing to accept the deal. possible reasons for this are obvious (and please, lets not describe the entire palestinian populace as being stupid bloodthirsty suicide bombers) but logically, the two taht come to the surface are 1) the deals that israel came up with were not favorable to the palestinians, and 2) there is too much hate/righteous resentment built up in the minds of the palestinians, making them less susceptable to compromise.Allon said:
logically, since israel is the agressor, it should make the most concessions. given what i have seen/read about the state of israel so far, i can see why the palestinians are not prone to accept a deal with them anytime soon
put up with? what do you mean, put up with?Allon said:
get out of your victim mindset before you talk to me, please.
israel = agressor
palestinians = opressed victims
it is not for the israelis to complain about having to "put up" with anything. it is for israel to, ah, how shall we say...GET THE FUCK OUT
now, as for the plight of the australian aboriginies - i am actually all for giving the land back to them. that is fair, imo. it is theirs, and they should have it. however, there are now many many people living in relatively small areas of the country, and so, and EQUITABLE arrangement must be made between indiginous and non indiginous owners, which i am all for. as the situation here now stands, we are in the business of identifying landowners (since many areas of the country were in fact owned by no one or are owned by tribes that have become extinct, and have been annexed by the commonwealth government (as is any property when a person dies without an heir) ) and in the meantime, tehre are many programs designed and funded specifically for aboriginies, to educate and compensate tehm until they, as a group, are sufficiently educated/literate (there is a huge problem wiht this particular aspect - many of the mofos cant read etc) and thenthey may procede with hammering out details in court
oh, and just so you know, my heritage is greek.
not irish, or scottish, or english. im not one of those pasty white mofos wait wait wait wait hang on, hang on. excuse me? you cant do the right thing because you dont have anywhere to go? you mean, the founding of the israeli state in the middle of arab territory because jews, as a group, had "nowhere else to go" (where the fuck did you guys live before that? in the clouds?) is justification for illegal, immoral, inhumane action?Allon said:
please, save your bullshit for someone who can be diverted by bullshit.
fuck me drunk. a jew stealing land on the basis that they have no land, thereby making the other person landless, and that making it alright, and then telling me that that is why it is acceptable conduct....PPPPPFFFFTTTTTT
look i dont know who dirk howat is, and so i agree, replying to him would be a waste of timeAllon said:
and youre wrong about me wanting to hear the opinion of an israeli - i heard it, and was disgusted by the undertones of what i read. what it seems to me is that you dont like my response to your opinion, and really wanted to say "oh, youre so nice for an israeli! so logical! so rational!"
sorry mate, i think your thinking and rationale is bent out of shape by your bias.
cheerios
Allon
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Goldendelicious and blue peter. If you were to come to Israel you would see things differently probably.
Goldendelicious. You are naive and aggressive in your posts. You are self righteous and misinformed. You have no grasp of reality. LOL, you obviously have lived a real cushioned existense with no real dangers or paranioa about the future of your people.
I wish all people were like you. There would be no wars. But they are not like you, and therefore if Israeli's/Jews were to see things the way you do, we would be extinct.
Go take a walk through Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq. Tell me after that, that Israel have nothing to be worried about and should see things the way you do.
Anyway, really, I only answered on this thread as I thought an Israeli's point of view of the wall would be interesting to the thinkers here. Not to defend it or anything about Israel, just to show my point of view.
Pick a fight with some else if that is what you are looking for. There are many "causes" out there. Are you a vegetarian?
Goldendelicious. You are naive and aggressive in your posts. You are self righteous and misinformed. You have no grasp of reality. LOL, you obviously have lived a real cushioned existense with no real dangers or paranioa about the future of your people.
I wish all people were like you. There would be no wars. But they are not like you, and therefore if Israeli's/Jews were to see things the way you do, we would be extinct.
Go take a walk through Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq. Tell me after that, that Israel have nothing to be worried about and should see things the way you do.
Anyway, really, I only answered on this thread as I thought an Israeli's point of view of the wall would be interesting to the thinkers here. Not to defend it or anything about Israel, just to show my point of view.
Pick a fight with some else if that is what you are looking for. There are many "causes" out there. Are you a vegetarian?
