what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?

[ripper2]

if it were being built with their money i wouldn't give a flip, but chances are its being funded by US taxpayer dollars through some kind of "forgein aide" policy or some bs like that

 

[canadianhitman]

I'd build a wall around myself too if I was surrounded by crazy ass suicide bombers. I don't have any problems with the wall...it will serve a purpose to keep the sides apart until they can both grow up and compromise.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

Not true, Arabs and jews only started fighting since the 20's when zionism started. Always got on quite well b4 that.

yes, its funny how people get along well when one group isnt trying to dispossess the other

The wall does cut into their territory. But what exactly is their territory is yet to truly be defined and agreed upon. That is part of the problem with the wall as the arabs say that Israel is using the wall to define the territory.

well, when a palestinian family has been farming the land since before the state of israel existed, then really, anyone with a mediocum of sense realises that that particular bit of land is theirs and by extension, palestinian territory. therefore the "agreeance" you are talking about isnt about tracing back the owners of the land and coming to a fair conclusion - rather, it is israel leaning on the palestinian landowner until they "agree" that it isnt worth the hassle anymore and accept taht they have to cut their losses and move on.

The worst part is when it cuts through farmland so palestinians who have a field they need to harvest, when part of it is on the other side of the wall have to travel to the nearest checkpoint, wait for hours and get searched as well as get a permit to enter Israel b4 this, and then travel back to their field on the other side of the wall, and then return home at the end of the day... imagine it, it sucks, as well as the humiliation. Sometimes they don't even get to go do the work and lose crops...

i dont know how you can pick a "worst" part of israels disgusting opression of the palestinians, but yes, that aspect is particularly vile imo.

The reason the wall is built in some of these places is often due to the fact that if the wall is built in a certain place and to continue it you have to go around a certain area makes it much less practicle to build it as well as making it close to Israeli settlements. Obviously Israel who controls the territories called palestine will always choose the option that suits Israel best and not consider some Palestinian farmers. It sucks but thats life...

i dont like it when people brush off injustice like that by shrugging and saying that it is "life". violent and sadistic tendancies exist in all of us, so when someone goes out and kills someone else, we dont shrug it off and say "eh, thats life" - we find the perpetrator, and in a socially responsible manner, deal with the situation for the betterment of all. the fact of the matter here is that the placement of the wall has much much less to do with terrain and ease of building, than it does with grabbing hundreds of square kilometers of palestinian land. anyone who buys that "its easier to build there" excuse is either in denial, stupid, or going along with the plot. besides, the wall is illegal, why should anyone care if the wall is easier or harder to build, given taht israel doesnt have the right to build it in the first place.

As an Israeli I might add that I have no solid opinion about this wall.
I hate the fact it exists and everything I stand for is against this kind of thing.

On the other hand, if it saves lives?.....

i love it when no one has an opinion and yet atrocities are committed in their names, then they shrug their shoulders and go on with life.

i wonder how many non jews shrugged their shoulders during the holocaust? "oh well, im not jewish, i really dont have an opinion on taht."

not nice when its coming the other way, is it?

All in all, the majority of Israeli's (including myself at times) feel that the palestinians are the ones who caused us to build it. until they "grow up" and accept Israels superiority and right to exist, they are sealing their own fate behind this wall apart from any other inconveniance that their people are going through.

oh fuck off. "grow up" my fucking ass. do you think that the palestinian people are collectively stupid, and live only to blow themselves up taking as many jews with them as possible? what a fucking stupid comment. it defies logic, and common sense. lets get is straight- PEOPLE ARE SO ANGRY AS TO PREFER TO DIE IN AN EXPLOSION IN THE PRIME OF THEIR LIVES, RATHER THAN GO ON LIVING AS THEY HAVE. it is not rational to say that the palestinian collective should "grow up" - rather, you have to step back and say "why are these people so angry that they are willing to die to kill us?"

the palestinians ARE grown up, and are fighting the only way they can - with huge losses and certain death, in the face of a vastly superior foe.

take a look at what is happening to them before you open your mouth and start telling people to grow up. look at your policies, and accept that they are in fact the root cause of all the drama, rather than passing the blame to an opressed, desperate, righteous people.

Hey, they had a democratic election this week, the first arab state ever to do this, so maybe there is hope?

ah, no. what youre seeing is called "maneuvering". while israel maintains its policies, this will never, ever stop. to many people have died, too many blood feuds have been lit. i would be shit scared of the palestinians if i were a jew, because those mofos are brave, in the right, uncaring of their lives, and perfectly liable to detonate a WMD in israel if they can.

if i were a jew, i would be trying to get my government to back off and do the right thing, before the monsters they have created grow wings and really, really do some damage.

but thats just me.

 

[Testosterone boy]

No problem with a wall on their property.

Attaching Palestinian land is just theft.

 

[beachbum777]

Yo hater (thanks for the negative karma with the comment "hater")

People like you are the haters.

You believe that Jews are God's Choosen People.

That is a bold statement.

Prove it. If you do not believe it, why say it?

Most every people and religious belief, "thinks" they are

GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE

Which is why you have wars, territorial conquest, subjugation of non-believers, etc..............

WRONG wrong wrong If you are a christian then your religion believes that the jews are gods chosen people. On judgement day the jews who switch and become christians will be saved. Judgement day can only come with the jews inhabiting jerulesum. Thats why we gave it to them after WWII.

 

[75th]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

if i were a jew, i would be trying to get my government to back off and do the right thing, before the monsters they have created grow wings and really, really do some damage.

but thats just me.

Just curious, in your opinion, what would the "right thing" be? Pack up and leave? Or just not put up the wall?

On a side note, anyone who hasnt already should read up on the history of Hamas and the positive contributions they perform to the Palestinian community.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

Just curious, in your opinion, what would the "right thing" be? Pack up and leave? Or just not put up the wall?

On a side note, anyone who hasnt already should read up on the history of Hamas and the positive contributions they perform to the Palestinian community.

the right thing to do?

stop establishing illegal israeli communities well into palestinian territory, since the purpose of doing so is merely to make it that much harder to pull out of palestine, and to foster resentment on the israeli home front

relinquish illegally annexed/occupied territory, or compromise EQUITABLY

stop killing police officers, politicians, useful members of the palestinian community

stop undermining palestinian political entities through thuggish tactics entirely, and particularly eliminate the use of thuggish standover tactics eg isolation of arafat in his compound, destruction of his airstrip etc etc

stop intentionally obstructing/hindering palestinian social/educational institutions, eg destruction of schools and records offices for no reason other than to hinder the development of palestinian intellectuals, and foster chaos in the palestinian economic/educational/governmental apparatus

basically, the right thing for israel to do is to back off and stop taking what it wants by force of arms, rather than simple economics or diplomacy. as it stands, what israel is doing is a travesty, particularly given that the holocaust is within living memory - how can a group that was so victimised and is currently so powerful, be so oppressive, and frankly, inhumane, to another group of people, given that they themselves endured such terrible treatment a mere half century ago?

if something severe happens in israel, i dont think that there will be terribly much sympathy for them...at least not from me. while i dont like the idea that anyone should die or endure hardship, i feel that, as a society, the israelis should NOT allow their government to inflict treatment on people taht so closely parallels what they went through in the holocaust. imo they should be a supremely socially responsible group of people, and their lack of compassion or human regard for their neighbors shows their true nature rather acutely.

it is the moral and social responsibility of EVERY israeli NOT to allow their government to do such things to the palestinians. they are morally bankrupt, imo, and if something happens to them at the hands of the arabs, well...i guess i have no opinion on that

 

[BUBBLES]

thats life...

they "grow up" and accept Israels superiority

Allon

is this your way of expressing yourself in the face of evil.....THAT IS LIFE?!!!
oh and explain Israel's SUPERIORITY to what and to whom? why do you lower others' status?

 

[beachbum777]

Anyone remember the israeli guy posting a few weeks ago? If half of the country feels and acts like that guy.........

 

[BUBBLES]

WRONG wrong wrong If you are a christian then your religion believes that the jews are gods chosen people. On judgement day the jews who switch and become christians will be saved. Judgement day can only come with the jews inhabiting jerulesum. Thats why we gave it to them after WWII.

The person who wrote "jews are God's chosen people" was a jew himself, so obviously he would only write such a thing to upgrade his status plus people in those days were very gullable and respected anyone who could read & write....