Allon said:
I doubt Iran will stop building the nukes, I may be wrong obviously but I just doubt it.
I think it will come to either military action or the world will just not do anything and Iran will become a nuclear power.
I think I only really started seeing the beauty of clinton once he was gone LOL. I always thought it was amazing that until the last day he had in office he continued to try and make peace between Israel and the palestinians. It was like a major goal of his and he seemed to be doing it out of strong beleif and goodwill. (apart from wanting to be remembered for it)
Yeah, I agree I respect Clinton more now that he's gone, Bush just doesnt seem articulate enough to lead our nation at times at times and Im not bushbasher either, alot of things I agree with.
Im an independant,but I like the hardline of the foreign policy at times. In retrospect, if we knew what we know now about Iraq, the war Id have to admit was a mistake. At the time prior, I thought it was the right decision at the time and now I can admit that given the info we now know, that I was wrong. It may still be the right course, the media reports make it seem like the sky is falling over there, but I dont think its that bad and it may improve rapidly and a few years we'll look and think Bush was a genius for the war who knows, youd have to have a crystal ball. Afterall, any war you can find horrible things happening, thats just part of war. But in comparison with others wars of the century, it could hardly be classified as EVEN a major battle in terms of casualties. As I stated before to someone that had no ability to put things into perspective. In WW1, The battle of Verdunne, one battle, 700,000 soldiers were killed. IN WW2, the estimated amount of soldiers and civilians killed as a result, was about 50 million. So in terms of scale, this is not very big. Just gonna have some tough times and transition periods, we arent losing the war by any means.
Im pretty much neutral on alot of these issues, but I sure wish some of the people who argue with you had the intellect and ability to place themselves into other peoples shoes for a moment and ask themselves what they would do? How they would think? etc... Like what if they were born an raised in Israel. I look at what happens in Israel with the attacks and I cant help but think that I would react even stronger if that happened in my neighborhood. I think alot of Americans lack the ability to see the world except from the safety of a separate, stable continent.
As far as some of the others, its like they never had a class in history, have no knowledge 20th century history and what has occurred up to this point and have only the ability to form their opinion from when they first watched television and thought about the world and now. A very short time in historical terms to guage the situation. I think my generation and younger lack the ability to see long term and to think in large spaces of time.
And even other still, who for some reason, dont accept the right of Israel to exist. I guess thatd be fine if they actually knew why they thought that way. I mean I guess is just lack of thinking through all facets of a situation. THey think if Israel wasnt there, problem would be solved that simple, failing to realize what a complex issue it is. I dont see how you could even stand to argue with someone who cant think in complex abstract terms to deal with world and global issues such as this. I mean I just dont know how you do it. I cant even read this whole thread. I dont know the answer to the israeli palestinian issue. But I sure as hell know that some of the mental midgets on the board who say the stupidest things dont either.
Why do you even bother arguing with him?
Youre not going to be able to change their mind, itd takes years to do that. They seem to lack all sense of perspective.
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