what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?

[BrothaBill]

You know what brothabill, I take it back, I just reread one GD's posts and realized I missed it beofre when he said

"my position on the need for the state of israel is clear - theres no real need for it. if the jews are such clever, money making little mofos, let them nicely make money where tehy are and not stir up shit half the world over."

You know what GD, if you were a idealist you would never say something like that. You are obviously racist and more biased than I thought. I wish you had said that to my face. I dare you to walk up to a Jew and say something like that, I would never say something like that to anyone, no matter what race. You fucking NAZI.

Yeah, I saw that post too I think yesterday, needless to say my first thoughts were more of shock that someone could be that stupid. Views from people like that are so pathetic. I mean thats beyond simple, that goes to the character of an individual, or lack thereof. A person capable of saying something like that has not been socialized properly and no amount of discussion will help that. Im optimistic about the ability of people to change, but its rare in the case of someone that would argue like that. Sorta what I meant by why would you even bother, obviously not worth the time at all. You just have to let a person like that go and live there life as a moron. Most of the stupid people who post ridiculous statements have far more character than he obviously does. Just pathetic! That was one of the posts I read on this thread that I just said forget it, why bother, no need to read anymore. It actually hurt my head to read some that stuff. I think I was afraid that if I actually understand how they arrived at their position I would be worse off rather than gaining knowledge and perspective. Y'know thats why I originally asked your opinion of the IRan situation. To gain knowledge of someone in different situation with fresh perspective. Theres no way in hell I could know how the an israeli saw that situation sitting here in the states. Im better off and gained another piece of the puzzle to formulate my opinions. Thank you.
Like I said it becomes a frustrating experience rather than a constructive learning experience as it should be.

 

[Allon]

Yeh I agree man... whats the point... I feel violated just for thinking I even replied to him LOL ok, I am exaggerating but I realize what a fucking waste of time.

Thanks for the comments man, I tottally see things the way you just explained, I love hearing the thoughts and views of people from their perspective when I am coming from somewhere so different.

I was in Serbia this summer and it was so interesting. So many intelligent people there and the country which is really fucked right now was once really prospering when it was yugoslavia. I was buzzing the whole time I was there coz it was so interesting. I gotta go to Bosnia and see what they have to say, it is obviously a completely different view.... YUM.

 

[BrothaBill]

Yeh I agree man... whats the point... I feel violated just for thinking I even replied to him LOL ok, I am exaggerating but I realize what a fucking waste of time.

Thanks for the comments man, I tottally see things the way you just explained, I love hearing the thoughts and views of people from their perspective when I am coming from somewhere so different.

I was in Serbia this summer and it was so interesting. So many intelligent people there and the country which is really fucked right now was once really prospering when it was yugoslavia. I was buzzing the whole time I was there coz it was so interesting. I gotta go to Bosnia and see what they have to say, it is obviously a completely different view.... YUM.

Y'know its funny that you picked that quote off the board. Thats the exact statement that made me stop reading the thread yesterday, I was going to start at the back of this thread to see if it was worth it to go back to the beginning and read the whole thing. I literally was like this is just too dumb to continue reading. Thats it Im out
If you go back and reread my posts from the beginning you'll see its that exact quote that I was writing about when discussing why bother. LOL! Thats just too funny.
Yeah I find it fascinating to talk to new immigrants to this country, I have met good people from russia, ukraine, bosnia, serbia, obviously all the asian countries and its always amazing listening to their view of the world having come from such a different place and how they views change of the states as well. Just a great opportunity to learn and grow and gain more perspective. I would love to have the opportunity to go to the former yugoslavian area to see it. Its just amazing some of the atrocities committed there when the separations took place. Lifelong neighbors fighting each others, snipers killing people that they lived with peacefully. One cannot imagine being in that situation. So many places I want to visit.

 

[Allon]

that funny man, when you made that comment I was like, ok some people were making stupid comments but it just caught me that you may have seen something more serious and I skimmed over the last 20 or so posts and than I noticed that.

Regarding Yugoslavia, I cannot explain how interesting it was, how sad it would be for someone like GD to go there, he would have to find one side to side with like a soccer game.. boring and stupid...
Man you gotta be dumb going there and not realizing that no one was right, it was one big mess, just like Israel... but yet so different. It boggled my mind, but when I started seeing the bigger picture and understanding what people were talking about, apart from the fact that Serbia was such a cool place and the people so interesting, I will never forget it.
Go for it if you get the chance and FYI it is so cheap there you will be in shock.

 

[BrothaBill]

Yknow Allon, I think alot of people who posted on this thread should take notes on how to conduct themselves in an appropriate constructive way as to how our posts have just went. I know virtually none of your positions as Ive read lil of your posts, except what I might assume they would be that your an Israeli. And you know virtually none of my personal views on issues, except that Im not an insane moron like whoever posted that quote about israeli mofos. But already we formed a base of effective communication where we can learn an express our views without arguing in a shrill tone and acting ignorantly. HELL I might disagree with virtually everything you think, but I can tell that you are articulate and intelligent enough, that even if I disagreed with you on your views, I would learn from the experience and discussion. I would become more intelligent b/c I have more information to draw my views from. I really wish that others on this board could learn how to communicate like this. Too often I just see someone post some asinine statement that I just shake my head at. When questioned as to why they think that way they become hostile and defensive and effective communication becomes even harder. Learning can only take place by understanding anothers point of view and communication is essential to that. Of course I love learning, some others may not share that life goal of understanding the world around them. Too bad for them.

 

[Allon]

Man, that is so true, for all I know you could be completely for everything I am against... but what does it matter? Actually it would make things more interesting as long as we didn't start calling eachother names... LOL
I think some people need to learn what the words DEBATE, DISCUSSION, CONVERSATION... mean.

The British culture I have noticed are really good at not agreeing with each other on touchy subjects and yet still having a stimulating conversation. I was always shocked how politicians in Israel always ague with each other and in the UK you see them smiling and talking calmly about the most senstive subjects in total disagreement.

I think that apart from the weight trainging forum here on EF (which is amazing) and joke threads here, whenever I have participated in a thread regarding peoples point of views here it has turned into a shouting match... I myself may have been to blame also at times... but really it is so easier to shout at someone than (which is so much more profitable) to try and understand why they think the way they do.

 

[BrothaBill]

I loved to go, its not about being cheap but that never hurts. Its a matter of time. My next trip is to London to visit a bud who also posts on this board, then head on over to Ireland as my whole family is from there and I have citizenship there, Id like to go right now, but honestly with my career and all I probably can get the time off needed to justify the trip til fall. At some point Im going to visit Israel as well to see the historical and religious sites there as well. Hope you get that terrorism thing under control by the time I manage to make it there. Dont want to get blown up picking up a slice of pizza at Sbarro's pizza. KNow what I mean LOL! I"ll give you a coupla years to nip the whole palestinian thing in the bud and make it safe for Brothabill to travel there!!! EIther that or just move the whole state of Israel out of the region so theres mideast peace there. That should be pretty simple as I hear people argue that position on the board here. Few million people, gotta be pretty simple, right? We could put GD in charge of logistics he can figure out how to move a whole fucking country LOL!!

 

[CFZB]

Hey...

Can I hang out with You Guys?

I mean Thats Cool or Whatever.

 

[H_T_]

what?!?!? no namecalling?!?!?

 

[Allon]

Yeh man, lets move Israel out to the outback, or even just a small part of queensland would suit me, I just hope the Aussie rednecks won't think I am a native and shoot me...

BTW, It is very safe here. you are more likely to be mugged or shot in America than to be in a terror atack here. The most dangerous thing in Israel is the roads, percentage wise like 30 times more people die here a year by car accidents than by terror, so as long as you walk while you are here you should be ok... REALLY. I would be much more worried walking around any city in the US then walking around tel aviv.