What is the best martial art to take strictly too

[Judo Tom]

i know im bias but i really feel sport styles are awesome and will yield tremendous benefits for self defense.

if you are boxer, MTB, wrestler, NAGA competitor you are training to defeat people who are very skilled, very prepared/focused, well trained, strong and determined. normally in a self defense situation you opponent will be about 1-5% as skilled as someone you face in your sport and you should be able to defend yourself no prob.

also if you never leave your dojo and just train with those guys you are really missing out on a lot of benefits that competition give you.. so many i wont bore you but if you start thinking about a competition vs a street fight there are so many similarities for the competitor both mentally and physically.

 

[Kane Fan]

I agree sport styles are proven technique wise every day
on the other hand if you are skilled and the other person is skilled as well you can gain an advantage with some things that arnt common in sports
like if I have to defend myself against a guy who knows nothing about grappling but tries to grab me anyway I'll probubly get him down mount and crossface while waiting for him to chill out
if it's someone who knows something about grappling and gets ahold of me I'll probubly use some dirty tricks etc
but even if you are only interested in streetfight/defence, knowing sport styles (the things you will commonly face someone on the street using, if anything) then will help you get your dirty trick past
you may think catching someone in the throat or eye is simple and if you suprise him it willbe, but if he's in a good boxers stance and not enraged to forget defence, you will have trouble getting that past

 

[ass_face]

Enhance your fighting abilities? Like how actual street fights occur and the best martial art to take to learn how to fight, which will 99% of the time end on the ground in a wrestling match.

A buddy wants to take karate which is pretty lame in my opinion, waste of time when it comes down to it. I told him to take something like judo or Jiu-jitsu because of the grappling, what do you think?

A combo of Muy Thai kickboxing and Ju Jitsu/submission fighting would be your best bet.

If you only want to concentrate on one... then Ju Jitsu would be the one I would go with.

 

[dline]

one word : Bujinkan

 

[Micker]

As said above, if all u know is grappling in a street fight, prepare to wake up in a hospital. Don't expect street fights to be fair

I think its the other way around. I have seen and been in many fights, and I don't think I have seen a fight that didn't go to the ground, minus one where the guy was 250+ and the other was about 130. 99% of people out there have no clue how to fight and they throw some haymakers trying to KO someone in one shot, well this isn't T.V. and you probably aren't going to knock out a guy in one shot(if you even get lucky and connect) who are near your size, unless you are well trained(not some punk karate crap either). I am strong grappler and there is no way I am not going to force the fight to the ground. Even watch the UFC, some of those guys train hard as hell to try and avoid being taken to the ground, but RARELY succeed.

If you want to beat people up, boxing, with ju-jitsu is the way to go. Regular karate like tae kwon do is a waste of time. Fancy shit doesn't cut it and things move way to fast on the street for any of those 5 part self defense moves they try to teach ya. Karate has its uses, but making you a great street fighter isn't its best.

 

[dline]

actually has anyone heard of bujinkan at this forum?

 

[Cyriades]

I think its the other way around. I have seen and been in many fights, and I don't think I have seen a fight that didn't go to the ground, minus one where the guy was 250+ and the other was about 130. 99% of people out there have no clue how to fight and they throw some haymakers trying to KO someone in one shot, well this isn't T.V. and you probably aren't going to knock out a guy in one shot(if you even get lucky and connect) who are near your size, unless you are well trained(not some punk karate crap either). I am strong grappler and there is no way I am not going to force the fight to the ground. Even watch the UFC, some of those guys train hard as hell to try and avoid being taken to the ground, but RARELY succeed.

If you want to beat people up, boxing, with ju-jitsu is the way to go. Regular karate like tae kwon do is a waste of time. Fancy shit doesn't cut it and things move way to fast on the street for any of those 5 part self defense moves they try to teach ya. Karate has its uses, but making you a great street fighter isn't its best.

I'm still fairly new to this forum, so I hope I don't make a bad impression

Anyway. Mickey, I really can't debate the effectiveness of boxing, jiu jitsu, and other such systems, so I won't. Keep in mind, however, that the boxing I assume you mean is Western Sport Boxing - which, while useful for conditioning, footwork, and punching skills, is far from complete. It IS a sport style, after all, and as such, has rules.

Also, don't make the mistake of thinking that karate and tae kwon do are the same (they're not - but I'll leave you to google to figure it out). There is also no "regular karate". There are literally dozens (at least) of karate ryu (styles). Same for tae kwon do. Thirdly, just because 95% of dojo / dojang are useless, doesn't mean you should be biased agains the other 5%.

Of course, this does mean I'm admitting most dojo are crap. Most I've ever been to are crap. However, there are some truly good schools out there that train hard, and try to prepare you for the street. That's the original point of karate / tae kwon do, after all.

Anyway, to get on topic. I haven't read all of the thread yet - so if anyone has recommended Wado ryu karate already, then consider this another vote. Grappling is focused in traditional Wado - too bad too many dojo don't actually teach this aspect of it. I can't pretend that Wado is the be all, end all style, however.

 

[Saintinistic]

I think its the other way around. I have seen and been in many fights, and I don't think I have seen a fight that didn't go to the ground, minus one where the guy was 250+ and the other was about 130. 99% of people out there have no clue how to fight and they throw some haymakers trying to KO someone in one shot, well this isn't T.V. and you probably aren't going to knock out a guy in one shot(if you even get lucky and connect) who are near your size, unless you are well trained(not some punk karate crap either). I am strong grappler and there is no way I am not going to force the fight to the ground. Even watch the UFC, some of those guys train hard as hell to try and avoid being taken to the ground, but RARELY succeed.

If you want to beat people up, boxing, with ju-jitsu is the way to go. Regular karate like tae kwon do is a waste of time. Fancy shit doesn't cut it and things move way to fast on the street for any of those 5 part self defense moves they try to teach ya. Karate has its uses, but making you a great street fighter isn't its best.

Yes, I watch UFC, and do you notice when you watch it, it is only one one one? Grappling is fine, till there is more than one opponent. Take him to the ground and his friend will kick the back of your neck. I would.

You fight blind you your strength. I have seen many fights as I work as a bouncer. I havent seen them go to the ground when we fight, only when idiots fight. When we do its the loser that goes down, not both. The ground is for the defeated. If you have to fight it to the ground you have wasted your attacks. I agree that TKD is crap also. In fact it all is if it isnt training for real dirty shit.

You may take them to the ground and they cut with with a knife, or a friend stabs you through the kidney area. stand up and be able to flee if it goes wrong.

By saying you would take it down on purpose, you risk it all.

 

[maxreps]

I think JKD is probably one of the best for well roundedness, they teach stand up and ground work, they acually call it MMA at some schools now.

 

[dhuff1500]

I agree that muay thai is probably good if you want to learn how to fight well with only a few years of training. But for the long run karate or other japanese martial arts will make you a much more dangerous fighter. A 5th to 10th degree black belt is EXTREMELY dangerous and their bodies are in incredible physical condition. My grandfather who lives in Japan is an 8th degree black belt in shotokan karate and he has once broke a mans arm in half with one side-kick. Most real high degree black belts have hands of steel(breaking stone slabs,etc...) so I would have to say they could easily defeat any experienced muay thai fighters. And just wondering... Anyone know what has happened to Japanese Ju-Jitsu? My family history runs in Karate so I don't know much about Brazilian Ju-Jitsu but I do know that the creator of BJJ was defeated by a master Japanese JJ martial artist named Kimura(hence the name of the move In BJJ). Any thoughts?