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What is the best martial art to take strictly too

Djimbe said:
Actually , thats pretty much what MAs are for . To defeat those relying only on their Natural abilities and agression .




Actually the GIST of my MEANING in that Post was that Some Training > None .

Are you intentionally being Obtuse here ? I mean , OF COURSE "A Lot" > "A Little" ! I mean , duh ?

No SINGLE encounter PROVES anything difinitively , and I thought that the ppl here were already Intelligent enough to know that , so that it went without saying .

I also think that I criticized the kids blatantly poor training methodology enough in this thred to make my Position clear . He should be Sparring more , and Shadowboxing less . He should also be hitting the Pads and Bags more . Youre arguing as if I DIDNT say these things , and as if ALL "KONG FEW" IS THE SAME , wich it ISNT . There are good schools and bad ones , and this kids schools training is halfassed at best .

Individual > Training > Style .


I agree training is better then no training
but if a MA is only about defeating untrained people I don't think it's very useful
 
Djimbe said:
GrandMaster David Chin
Fayetteville NC
Tibetan Hop Gar
Taijiquan
910.485.0039
http://www.tibetankungfu.net/aboutus.htm

The above guy is the best you can possibly get to . Hes a bit out of your way , bu if you ever have reason to get ove that way DEFINATLY look him up and see what hes about . Hes the Real Deal . Id put HIS Tai Chi up against anyones Muay Thay any day .


Master Eric Sbarge
The Peaceful Dragon
12610 Steele Creek Road
Charlotte, NC 28273
(704)-504-8866
http://www.thepeacefuldragon.com/
[email protected]

The above guy is a TAD goofy with the Cultural stuff , you know the white guy that tries a LIL too hard to be Asian , but if you can stomach that he IS technically pretty damned good , and DOES offer Sparring . Tell him youre interested in Internal MA for fighting , specifically Xingyiquan (AKA Hsing I Chuan) and Baguazhang (AKA Pa Kua Chang) Theyre both listed HERE :
http://www.thepeacefuldragon.com/taichi.shtml

thank you I dont know when I can get around to this
but if I'm ever in those areas I'll try to look into those
charlotte isn't too far to go for lessons just the time issue
 
Kane Fan said:
I agree training is better then no training
but if a MA is only about defeating untrained people I don't think it's very useful

well , think about it , thats the reason that 99% of ppl study it !

MOST ppl that sign up at a Dojo just want to be able to Defend themselves against an Agressor and make it home Safely ! Most LEGIT Instructos wont train anyone thats out of control , simply because he will hurt the other students and thus the instructor's Wallet in the end . ANd most people gain Discipline and start to see fighting Differently after having any substantial amount of Training Time on their Hands . not only that but the progressive learning o ANY skillset has the effect of Ordering and Calming the mind of the student .
 
that may be what martial arts has become now. but what it arose from, especially your beloved CMA's, was a need for a martially trained, effective militia... capable of beating other such militias

it was style vs style right from the beginning

why use beating up some random guy as a benchmark of success? that's some low goddam standards
 
casualbb said:
that may be what martial arts has become now. but what it arose from, especially your beloved CMA's, was a need for a martially trained, effective militia... capable of beating other such militias

it was style vs style right from the beginning

why use beating up some random guy as a benchmark of success? that's some low goddam standards

Because I live in the real world ?

If I wanted to be the most Effective Killing Machine possible I would simply Unleash Smallpox in JFK on the busiest Travel Day of the year , or dump Cyanide into the southern California water supply . Or at th LEAST become a class A sniper and pull a Kent State or something !

The fact is that Battlefields dont use MAs any more , so theyre Irrelevant in that Context , and they will be shaped ONLY by the Contexts in wich they are USEABLE . in this case aside from simply being "Kung Fu Nerds" and preserving the systems themselves we only have 2 REAL "reasons" to learn Martial Arts :


1) Sportive "combat" :
Sportfighting will always be limited to what is "Safe" amd what will not kill the Opponent . This means that the Techniques in use will ALWAYS be Inferior , as will the tactics . I know that a llot of people like to laugh at the Idea of "Deadly Techniques" in H2H Combat , but lets face it , THEmost effective defense to a "Shoot" is to break the Opponents neck and/or attack the base of the spine . A technique that isnt that hard to Practice , but is made ppointless by The Rules . Until Society is so barbaric that Killing , Crippling , and Maiming is allowed Sportfighting will never be anything more than Game Playing . The fact is that pulling Guard would get you KILLED on the Battlefield , and rather quickly . so would Tucking your head and going for a Single leg . hell , so would getting Mount , and Passing The Guard for that matter ! Yet all of these work WELL in NerfCombat on NerfWorld ! When the Ground is a Mat then Slams/Throws dont hurt , when the walls are a Cage and not Brick then someone stronger than you cant shave your Skin off your face with it , so it makes Gloming onto them a more reliable ploy . when you cant be kicked when youre down , when your Small Joints cant be broken or Manipulated for you ... well , what a joke !

Sportive Athletics of this type are FINE , but the fact is that when the weapon (available Skillset) is blunted it be comes more and more about Physical Attributes like Stamina , and Strength . And the best techniques for Deuling one on one are NOT the best for fighting off a Group and escaping . in fact , thyre prety much Opposing .

2) Self Defense :
Stop them from being able to hurt you , by any means available . Period . No Rules , use ALL of your Science against ALL of their Attributes . this means that if Breaking their Fingers stops them from fumbling through your clothing you just prevented a Rape .
 
i started training just for self defense now do it almost exclusively for sport.. the only type of people i would ever really worry about on the street is another well trained martial artist/fighter.. but generally they dont go around starting problems and neither do i

im also very confident in my ability to defend myself from someone who is 'better' then me.. maybe i cant hurt them in the least but im not going to the hospital either.
 
Djimbe said:
well , think about it , thats the reason that 99% of ppl study it !

MOST ppl that sign up at a Dojo just want to be able to Defend themselves against an Agressor and make it home Safely ! Most LEGIT Instructos wont train anyone thats out of control , simply because he will hurt the other students and thus the instructor's Wallet in the end . ANd most people gain Discipline and start to see fighting Differently after having any substantial amount of Training Time on their Hands . not only that but the progressive learning o ANY skillset has the effect of Ordering and Calming the mind of the student .

yah but if you dont' offer sparring (with more then light contact) then the things you are learning may fail you when the hits start coming in
it's a problem a lot of straight grapplers have when they try a mixed match
that's why I like sportsystems
 
Judo Tom said:
i started training just for self defense now do it almost exclusively for sport.. the only type of people i would ever really worry about on the street is another well trained martial artist/fighter.. but generally they dont go around starting problems and neither do i

im also very confident in my ability to defend myself from someone who is 'better' then me.. maybe i cant hurt them in the least but im not going to the hospital either.

some well trained martial artists have serious attitude
but I know what you mean
 
also, you're forgetting a style djimbe that has alot of bear in it and is a good internal style. Pakua CHANG, it is very powerful and has alotof grappling too. Wassup kane!!THERE is a catch to the training of these styles peeps don't realize is the hardcore training that comes with it. The old way was very brutal in iron conditioning and peeps of today can't take it so ma turned into a franchise with no power.
 
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