What do you think?

[pudding]

Here is the cycle. ASIDE from the fact its all oral and tough on the liver I'de like some comments on this bulk cycle.
wk 1 Dbol 24mg Dbol to be taken through out day
wk 2 Dbol 33mg start proviron 25mg ed to be run till end cycle
wk 3-4 Dbol 42mg
wk 5 Dbol 33mg
wk 6 Dbol 24mg
wk 7 Dbol 15mg
Nolvadex throughout cycle and pct
pct to be nolva and clomid
Tylers detox and milk thistle during and pct
Hard 3 day split workout and excellent diet and sleep

Try to be easy on me boys, but i would like some experienced feedback

 

[jaybois]

you won"t lose weight

 

[pudding]

you won"t lose weight

What is that suppose to mean?

 

[sparetire]

meaning with all of that dbol, you're going to bloat up like a balloon and put on some muscle weight. what's with the odd mg numbers in your dbol? Usually they are in divisions of 5? 5 10 15 25..etc.. 24..33? weird..

 

[pudding]

meaning with all of that dbol, you're going to bloat up like a balloon and put on some muscle weight. what's with the odd mg numbers in your dbol? Usually they are in divisions of 5? 5 10 15 25..etc.. 24..33? weird..

3mg tabs anabolex ethical labs, i'm hoping prov will keep some bloat off

 

[Bozwell]

Looks like a well planed cycle but dont use the nolva untill gyno symptoms occor,I ve heard that it can have a negative impact on your gains and with proviron you shouldent have any problems with oestrogen anyway
hope this help ,good luck

 

[pudding]

Looks like a well planed cycle but dont use the nolva untill gyno symptoms occor,I ve heard that it can have a negative impact on your gains and with proviron you shouldent have any problems with oestrogen anyway
hope this help ,good luck

I never heard that about the nolva. I thought it couldnt hurt since it basically has no bad long term effects in men. Anybody have any other thoughts?

 

[Goldprospector]

I would assume that you are ramping down on your doses for one of 2 reasons...either you don't have enough to stretch the entire 6 weeks at a sustained dose, OR you "think" it will make you recover faster from the shutdown that you will experience.

Whichever the case may be...ramping down is not a good idea. Either buy some more and keep a sustained dose...( what if you are like a lot of bro's where as 20 mg does nothing at all?) or do more research to learn about PCT and ramping down.
Another thing, There is no need for both Nolva and Clomid...One or the other. You need to find out which compound works best for your body and the only way you can do it is to use them seperately. If you have a negative reation...which one would you blame?

Technically. I don't have anything against an all oral cycle...but your planning does not look all that good.

 

[pudding]

I would assume that you are ramping down on your doses for one of 2 reasons...either you don't have enough to stretch the entire 6 weeks at a sustained dose, OR you "think" it will make you recover faster from the shutdown that you will experience.

Whichever the case may be...ramping down is not a good idea. Either buy some more and keep a sustained dose...( what if you are like a lot of bro's where as 20 mg does nothing at all?) or do more research to learn about PCT and ramping down.
Another thing, There is no need for both Nolva and Clomid...One or the other. You need to find out which compound works best for your body and the only way you can do it is to use them seperately. If you have a negative reation...which one would you blame?

Technically. I don't have anything against an all oral cycle...but your planning does not look all that good.

The rampling was a suggestion of someone else. There is no quantity problem. Are you suggesting ramp to the 40ish and stay till end of cycle then just nolva?

 

[Goldprospector]

NO ramping at all. I have to use 45mg of D-bol before I feel anything. I am suggesting that you find "Your dose" You may grow great on 20 but you may need 40. That is one reason that I don't like an all oral First cycle. It may take you a couple of cycles to find your optimum dose.

I suggest starting @ 25...if in the first 1 1/2 weeks, you feel nothing as far as lower back pumps...some bloating...and or calf muscle and shin pumps....then you may need to increase your dose.
D-bol has a certain feel to it...maily it is "Pumps" I can say for 100% certainty that you will not be growing if you don't feel them....but from the things that I have read, and from personal experiences, I did not gain any weight until I was feeling those effects.

 

[pudding]

NO ramping at all. I have to use 45mg of D-bol before I feel anything. I am suggesting that you find "Your dose" You may grow great on 20 but you may need 40. That is one reason that I don't like an all oral First cycle. It may take you a couple of cycles to find your optimum dose.

I suggest starting @ 25...if in the first 1 1/2 weeks, you feel nothing as far as lower back pumps...some bloating...and or calf muscle and shin pumps....then you may need to increase your dose.
D-bol has a certain feel to it...maily it is "Pumps" I can say for 100% certainty that you will not be growing if you don't feel them....but from the things that I have read, and from personal experiences, I did not gain any weight until I was feeling those effects.

Makes sense. I'll up it today, see what happens over next week. Thanks

 

[genarr3]

NO ramping at all. I have to use 45mg of D-bol before I feel anything. I am suggesting that you find "Your dose" You may grow great on 20 but you may need 40. That is one reason that I don't like an all oral First cycle. It may take you a couple of cycles to find your optimum dose.

I suggest starting @ 25...if in the first 1 1/2 weeks, you feel nothing as far as lower back pumps...some bloating...and or calf muscle and shin pumps....then you may need to increase your dose.
D-bol has a certain feel to it...maily it is "Pumps" I can say for 100% certainty that you will not be growing if you don't feel them....but from the things that I have read, and from personal experiences, I did not gain any weight until I was feeling those effects.

Yep, this is what I was going to write.

 

[pudding]

Yep, this is what I was going to write.

Does your build have anything to do with dosage effectivness or is it just a matter of how each individuals body reacts to the drug?

 

[RADAR]

Provirion is a hardening agent i doubt if it will do much in combatting bloat you need armidex/liquidex for that.
Besides good luck holding on to the old hairline provirion will eat it up.


RADAR

 

[satchboogie]

Provirion is a hardening agent i doubt if it will do much in combatting bloat you need armidex/liquidex for that.
Besides good luck holding on to the old hairline provirion will eat it up.


RADAR

partially true my main man RADAR...
but proviron is also a good anti estrogen and if stacked with nolvadex can do a decent jump preventing bloat.

in fact, i rarely bloat nor get any sides even from heavy dosed cycles, and i strongly believe its due to proviron/nolvadex.

i prefer 50mg proviron and 20-40mg nolva per day throughout each and every cycle.

am i shorting gains?
probably so but id rather short my body a few extra pounds of muscle than get gyno or acne.

btw.. thanks for that one hook up with that hottee!!

 

[Goldprospector]

Does your build have anything to do with dosage effectivness or is it just a matter of how each individuals body reacts to the drug?

I don't know if it is size of body chemistry...But I am 6'5" and 250lbs

 

[RADAR]

partially true my main man RADAR...
but proviron is also a good anti estrogen and if stacked with nolvadex can do a decent jump preventing bloat.

in fact, i rarely bloat nor get any sides even from heavy dosed cycles, and i strongly believe its due to proviron/nolvadex.

i prefer 50mg proviron and 20-40mg nolva per day throughout each and every cycle.

am i shorting gains?
probably so but id rather short my body a few extra pounds of muscle than get gyno or acne.

btw.. thanks for that one hook up with that hottee!!

Ah! But you said Nolvadex, i was referring to provirion alone..........

hee hee! did she rock your boat? i thought you would like that!

RADAR

 

[satchboogie]

Ah! But you said Nolvadex, i was referring to provirion alone..........

hee hee! did she rock your boat? i thought you would like that!

RADAR

yes true..
proviron ALONE wont do much to prevent bloat.

 

[pudding]

Lots of great stuff guys. I'm definetly not ramping(good advise), full dose all way through, but only 6 week now. I was going to run nolva whole way then add prov week 2 till end of cycle, I not worried about hair(real thick) The thing I can't completely decide is pct, thinking nolva and clomid. Some people love this combo others seem down on it.

 

[AnabolicSA]

Good Luck Pudding, you will get VERY GOOD results since this is your first cycle and anybody need more than that in the first one....

 

[pudding]

Good Luck Pudding, you will get VERY GOOD results since this is your first cycle and anybody need more than that in the first one....

thanks p. Is it possible that this shit is making feel hungry all time. Can't stop eating. I glad because I usually have bad appetite and have force myself to eat?

 

[pudding]

thanks p. Is it possible that this shit is making feel hungry all time. Can't stop eating. I glad because I usually have bad appetite and have force myself to eat?

bump for question

 

[Triple J]

I like a taper (1-2 wks) at the end of the cycle otherwise you may experience some crash symptoms

 

[AnabolicSA]

thanks p. Is it possible that this shit is making feel hungry all time. Can't stop eating. I glad because I usually have bad appetite and have force myself to eat?

Yes Bro, that is normal, just try to eat the best food (high cuality of protein)

 

[pudding]

Thanks guys, I'll make decision about taper down around middle of cycle. I did decide not to ramp up. Start 36 mg ed for now, see how it goes. Keep ya posted