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What am I doing wrong?

Bobber

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2 weeks sus(500mg weekly), 2 weeks eq(400mg weekly), 1 week T-400(switched from sus), and 7 days Reforvit-b at 25 mg a day. I am almost at the end of the third week and all I have gained is 2 pounds. There is a post on here where a guy gained 21 pounds in 3 weeks. Here is my typical daily food intake.

Breakfast: Couple of eggs, sausage, bread
Snack: Peanut butter sandwich
Lunch: 2 chicken breasts, baked potatoe w/ bacon and butter
Snack:peanut butter sandwich, can of tuna
dinner:16 oz T-bone and some veggies
Snack: peanut butter sandwich

What am I doing wrong?
 
Dude, you diet is less than 150g of protein(depending on the size of steak of course) Damn dude, you should be eating about 50g of proein every 2-3 hours. You for sure not eating enough! Your cycle looks good, but your diet is about 1/2 what is should be.. Get on the ball. Add about 4 protein shakes to that diet, and then you be getting on the right track. (all assuming your gear isn't bunk)
 
Damn bro I have no clue... I am seriously thnking that maybe a couple of your items are fake... never happens here in spain cause we dont have any fakes... well we as in my friends and I.... :D:D:D
 
I know the shit is not fake. I am 100% sure of that. Is there anything else I could do, maybe stop fucking 3 times a day? Would that help keep my test up or does that not matter?
 
Well, first of all give the test and eq at least another week to kick in. As far as the ref goes, it sounds like it might be fake. I will usually start gaining water within the first week at your dosage. Also, your diet might be a little off. Bump up your calories/protein and see if this makes an improvement on your gains.
 
I am not a big guy, I have the legs of a 13 year old girl but I have a pretty good upper body. I am 5'8" 152lbs, my bench is around 275. I would like to post a pic but dont know how.
 
According to the diet you listed above you are getting about 220-230 grams of protien. Ideally you should be getting anywhere for 2-3 grams of protien per lb. So you should probably increase you protien intake.

Also like el jefe said give the test and another week or so and see what happens.

Just keep training hard.
 
You have been on gear for 2 weeks and you are ready to quit? What kind of patience is that? Have you read anything about the gear you are taking? I would have to say no, and with that, how do you know your gear is real and not bunk? The short answer is you don't.

If you had read anything about your gear, you would have found several tales from people who saw NOTHING from eq for even 5 weeks. Your test will probably take 3-4 weeks to kick in, but you should alread have felt the psychoactive properties from the test. Have you? Sense of heightened well-being, etc.?

If you have not experienced this already, I would be concerned you have bunk gear. 10-14 days should be enough to experience those effects.

Also, do you have increased pumps? Some people feel that after a week on dbol. If not, wait another week, and if you don't have serious pumps, and I am talking from walking across the room, then your dbol is most likely fake, also.

You are basically taking a gram of gear per week, and this is probably your first cycle. You should grow like a weed, just give it time. I think you should even notice changes on that much with no change in diet, and not even working out. They won't be near as much as you could get if you worked out and ate right, but damn, you are taking a healthy dose for your first time.
 
To be honest it sound as if you ref is fake. The reason I say this is because everyone l know that has used it has put on 5-7 lb the first week.


As far as the test it usually takes a few weeks to kick in...

For a first cycle you are taking a good amount of gear. you should GROOOOW.

I suggest you work on your diet, increase your protein intake, and train HARD!

Just hang in there!
 
Longhorn-

I never said I was ready to quit, I have trained clean for 3 years and quiting has never been an option. YES, I have done my research, but from what I have gathered I should at least see some kind of gains. My strength gains started going up this week but not in a big way except for in legs. Shit some guy postd on here that he has gained 21 ponds in 3 weeks on a similiar stack. As far as the pumps, no I dont get a pump just walking across the room but the pump after a good work out is noticably better. My state of well being is pretty fucking wonderful right now. The only bad thing other not seeing any size difference is that my back is beginningto look like a pepperoni pizza. By the way I am starting to see a little more I guess perkiness you could say in my physique. Do you go to UT TX Longhorn?
 
Bobber, trust me, you don't want to gain 21 pounds in 3 weeks. As soon as you are off, you will piss out a ton of these 'gains'. No way in hell even half of that is actual real contractile tissue. Some is fat, most is water, some is muscle.

Acne is individual. If you are prone, you are just prone.

Strength gains improving and good sense of well-being are both good signs. The pumps I got from dbol were so bad, when I would walk across the room, my lower back would get a painful pump.

It sounds like you might even be leaning out. If that is the case, and you have gained weight, that is tremendous!

I still would not be worried after 2 weeks. Wait until week 4. But the dbol should kick in any second. In fact, I would be very concerned that it is fake. You have nothing to keep down water retention, and yet you have not gained any appreciable weight. Not good signs since dbol is so fast acting. But, you could just be slow to respond. But after 14 days, you should see a difference.

Re: UT. No, I graduated a few years ago, but still follow my beloved horns as much as possible.

Hook'em, and good luck with your cycle.
 
I agree with bigpumpdaddy, up the protein, and watch the diet better (maybe up the total calories)!!! Give it time, and I know you said you've trained for 3 years clean, but are you sure you've hit the weights hard enough. You said yourself you've got "girl legs", so I say work them till you can't stand up then recover (3-4 days) and hit them again, and repeat, repeat, repeat. Sorry I just always see guys hitting the legs half as hard as their upper body when it takes TWICE not HALF as much to make the legs grow!!!!! GOOD LUCK BRO!!!



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This has nothing to do with your gear being legit or not. Your diet is AWEFULL. It would take to long, a book or two, to rework that atrocity. Please do yourself a favor and study proper diet. Ask questions whatever...just fix it. Your diet is the problem, not the AS.
 
Your diet isn't awful but it simply is not enough. You need to double it gradually. Having sex has nothing to do with it as long as you arn'e doing it so much that the cardio is stripping weight off you. The test you lose is miniscule compared to the amount you are taking artificially.
 
Your diet sucks but even so you should have gained more then 2 pounds from that amount of shit. Are you sure your stuff is real?
 
All guys here are right, your diet should be updated
you might use any of the following meal plans:


Get-Big Meal Plan

Meal 1
• 2 whole eggs
• 1 cup skim milk
• 1 cup cooked oatmeal (prepare with water only or the above mentioned milk and add cinnamon or other spices)
• 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil (mix in with the oatmeal)
• 1/4 cup raisins (mix in with the oatmeal or eaten separately)
• 1/2 cup mixed frozen berries (mix in with the oatmeal or eaten separately)

Meal 2
• 3 ounces chicken breast (cooked weight)
• 2 cups salad with dark, leafy green vegetables, onions, peppers, etc.
• 1 tablespoon olive oil and vinegar, to taste
• 1/8 cup shredded cheese, added to salad
• 1 apple
• 1 banana
• 1 orange

Meal 3
• 3 ounces tuna or lean meat (cooked weight)
• 1 sweet potato (baked)
• 2 cups stir-fry vegetables (broccoli, peppers, onions, etc.), using olive oil to cook them
• 1 ounce almonds or peanuts (may be added to stir-fry)
• 1 cup blueberries or strawberries
• 1 cup orange juice with pulp

Meal 4—Immediately post-workout
• 1 scoop protein (or two scoops Grow!)
• 1 cup skim milk
• 15-18 ounces grape juice

Meal 5—90 minutes post-workout
• 1 scoop whey protein (or two scoops Grow!)
• 1 cup skim milk
• 15-18 ounces grape juice

Meal 6
• 2 cups plain yogurt
• 1/2 cup raisins
• 2 ounces mixed nuts
• 1 cup berries or other fruit
• Mix above ingredients together

On days that you don't work out, divide your daily numbers by six and try to take in the same amounts of protein, carbohydrates, and fat for each meal. So the 200-pound bodybuilder eating 3,840 calories (160 grams of protein, 107 grams of fat, and 560 grams of carbohydrates) each day would divide these numbers by six to yield 27 grams of protein, 18 grams of fat, and 93 grams of carbs for each meal.

Get-Big Meal Plan for Non-Workout Days

Meal 1
• 2 whole eggs
• 1 cup skim milk
• 2 cups cooked oatmeal (prepare with water only or skim milk from above and add cinnamon or other spice)
• 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil (mix in with the oatmeal)
• 1/4 cup raisins

Meal 2
• 3 ounces chicken breast (cooked weight)
• 2 cups salad with dark, leafy green vegetables, onions, peppers, etc.
• 1 tablespoon olive oil and vinegar, to taste
• 1/8 cup shredded cheese in salad
• 1/4 cup wheat germ or Grape Nuts, added to salad
• 1 apple
• 1 banana
• 1 orange

Meal 3
• 3 ounces tuna (cooked weight)
• 1 sweet potato (baked)
• 2 cups stir-fry vegetables (broccoli, peppers, onions, etc.), using olive oil to cook them
• 1 ounce almonds or peanuts (may be added to stir-fry)
• 1 cup blueberries or strawberries
• 2 cups orange juice with pulp

Meal 4—Quick-fix shake
• 1 scoop whey protein (or two scoops Grow!)
• 1 cup skim milk
• 4-8 ounces grape juice
• 1 cup frozen berries
• 4 prunes (seedless or pitted)
• 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil
• 1 tablespoon extra-light olive oil
• Add water and ice, and blend to desired consistency

Meal 5—Quick-fix shake
• 1 scoop whey protein (or two scoops Grow!)
• 1 cup skim milk
• 1 tablespoon extra-light olive oil
• 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil
• 1-2 bananas
• 1 cup crushed pineapple (in natural juices)
• 1 tablespoon instant vanilla pudding mix
• Add water and ice, and blend to desired consistency

Meal 6
• 2 cups plain yogurt
• 1 cup raisins
• 2 ounces mixed nuts
• 1 cup berries
• 1 sliced banana
• Mix above ingredients together

Another Massive meal plan

Meal 1# (7:00AM):
8 oz. oatmeal
0.6 1 skim milk, 0.3% fat
0.2 1 orange juice
3 oz. grapes


Total:
Protein = 47
Carbs = 219
Fats = 20
Calories = 1270


Meal 2# (10:15AM):
10 oz, whole wheat bread
4 oz. cheese, 12% fat
0.51 kefir milk
1 banana


Total:
Protein = 61
Carbs = 180
Fats = 20
Calories = 1150


Meal 3# (1:30PM):
8 oz. brown rice
10 oz. turkey
5 oz. vegetables


Total:
Protein = 93
Carbs = 177
Fats = 11
Calories = 1180


Meal 4# (4:45PM):
5 whole eggs
16 Oz. baked potatoes
Mixed salad


Total:
Protein = 41
Carbs = 118
Fats = 35
Calories = 880


Meal 5# (8:00PM):
7 oz. cottage cheese
7 Oz. whole wheat bread
1 oz. peanut buffer
1 apple, approx. 4 oz.
0.2 1 orange juice


Total:
Protein = 43
Carbs = 120
Fats = 18
Calories = 860


Meal 6# (11:00PM){Optional}
6 oz. turkey breast
8oz Yogurt


Total:
Protein = 33
Carbs = 11
Fats = 10
Calories = 175


Total Meals :
Protein = 318
Carbs = 817
fats = 114
Calories = 5515




FOR MORE MEAL PLANS CHECK OUT MY PREVIOUS POST Click Here
 
Ok....yall are saying 2 completely different things, half of yall say that my diet is just horrible and the other half says that it is good but just not enough. So whichis it? Thanks Weam for that diet info, I have never had oatmeal but starting today I am going to try that out. I am positive that the sus, T-40, nad eq are real because I bought them from Mx in the sealed boxes. But the reforvit came in the mail. It look legit and smells godawful so I think it is real too. As for the comment on my legs, I know I didnt even start working them out untill 2 years after I first started working out. Horrible I know, but I blasted them yesterday and I am sore as fuck today. Yall have all been really helpful and any more info would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
Bobber said:
Ok....yall are saying 2 completely different things, half of yall say that my diet is just horrible and the other half says that it is good but just not enough. So whichis it? Thanks Weam for that diet info, I have never had oatmeal but starting today I am going to try that out. I am positive that the sus, T-40, nad eq are real because I bought them from Mx in the sealed boxes. But the reforvit came in the mail. It look legit and smells godawful so I think it is real too. As for the comment on my legs, I know I didnt even start working them out untill 2 years after I first started working out. Horrible I know, but I blasted them yesterday and I am sore as fuck today. Yall have all been really helpful and any more info would be appreciated. Thanks.
A good baseline diet to go by is to eat 50 grams of protien five to six times a day. Other then that eat enough carbs to fill you up unless you are extremly skinny. You protien powders for some of your meals. Oatmeal is a good food but some just do not like it. My breakfast every morning is a packet of met-rx with water and 2 oz of oatmeal all thrown in the blender together with ice. Believe it or not the oatmeal tastes pretty good in this shake.
 
Your diet looks fine...

I would not jump around your sauce so much..

You wont gain a pound until week 3


the d-bol is the total for the day divide it into 3 equal measurements and take it 3 times a day..

good luck

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Bobber,

I never gain much on my cycles (maybe 8-10lbs overall). You may be losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time so your scale number might not be an accurate assessment of what is actually happening to your body. If you are taking an anti-estrogens or the like, you won't gain a lot of water weight . I prefer this look as it is not so obvious that I am on the sauce and I don't lose at much at the end of the cycle. Be patient and up your calories until start to gain weight. In my experience, upping the calories can make the difference between an okay cycle and a great cycle. Good luck.
 
Good posts on increasing the protein. One thing I do that will easily add 80g of protein a day.

Mix two scoops of Designer no taste with your oatmeal.

Bring two scoops with you to work and add to a snapple bottle.

Hope this helps.

It took me three weeks to start growing on an enanthate only cycle 600mg a week. I am now up 15lbs, with about 7lbs of water.

Eat hard and train hard. There are no secrets.
 
I am not skinny and I have minimal body fat judging by pics posted and bf stated along with pic. Can one of yall tell me how to post my pic with a web cam so yall can critique me. Also like I said earlier everything looks to be getting more plump and defined but i thought this stack was supposed to addd mass. And another way i know that this shit is real is because my balls are fuckin tiny right now.

Gyno-milker-
The only rason I jumped from the sauce to the T-400 is because I wanted tobe the guinea pig of my group and see how it works. Also I am at he end of the third week now, 4th week starts on Monday. I am going to eat like a horse and weigh myself today at the gym at around 3 today and will keep yall posted on what if any results i may have made.
 
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