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Well, That Didn't Take Long.

Nelson Montana

Nelson Montana

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The demise of the board that is.

It started out as a good idea. But it's degraded into one man temper tantrum led by Juice Authority.

Anarchy has it's price.
 
This board is the greatest thing to happen to this site. I hardly even go to the anabolic board anymore. It's all same old. This will all pass. We'll all get back to the discussion at hand soon enough. You shouldn't be afraid to use your mod powers since according to Radar you control this board. There doesn't have to be anarchy if you don't want it. It's one thing to keep order but quite another to suppress ideas and stifle constructive criticism and disagreement (ahem, Fonz). You know the difference. Hang in there, Nelson. In time everyone's bruta fulima will be left intact.
 
I find much mirth in the forming of this part of the board. From baiting JA, to exposing the inner world politics of a Doomsday cult... I have it all.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Then stop shitting all over it.
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Are fucking kidding? People come here to watch us bicker for pure entertainment value. I can always count on a reaction from you. You're an easy target Nelson - you always were. I thought you would have caught on to this by now.
 
I can always count on a reaction from you. You're an easy target...
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Main Entry: iro·ny
Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&)r-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler
1 : See JuiceAuthority's above post
2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance
 
this is definitely the best board on elite, REAL debates going on, i dont think JA is shitting on it, he is just getting a rise out of you, Nelson.
 
Naeblis said:
Main Entry: iro·ny
Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&)r-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler
1 : See JuiceAuthority's above post
2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance
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Now you, I honestly don't like. You bug.
 
It's all in good fun JA. You seem tot hink you can harass Nelson for no other reason than entertaining others, why can I not do the same?? *pokes you in the eye*
 
Naeblis said:
It's all in good fun JA. You seem tot hink you can harass Nelson for no other reason than entertaining others, why can I not do the same?? *pokes you in the eye*
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Well I guess what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
I was actually looking forward to seeing good debate with Nelson as i am a strong believer that AAS are comprised of proven chemistry attributes AND personal experience. There is no one solution but looking at both sides of the debate i would hope to get a good medium taken from years of historical use and beliefs (Nelson) and some modern day chemistry theory.

Yes i expected some strong debate and total difference of views but did not think the whole forum would decline into a flame fest for the sake of it.

There will always be threads which become flame fests (i.e. the Fonz one) but Nelson has some very opiniated views which he is happy to debate. It is that debate which i wish to learn from and implement into improving my chance of reaching goals.

yes i enjoy reading some of the ''mud slinging'' threads but unfortunately some seem to think that is what this board is all about and nothing else.

I wish a compromise could be set in terms of any abuse / flames be kept to the Zonz and truth about Nelson threads with the rest concentrating on debate (heated or not).

IMHO we have a chat forum for the rest

Wrongun!
 
Juice Authority said:
Are fucking kidding? People come here to watch us bicker for pure entertainment value. I can always count on a reaction from you. You're an easy target Nelson - you always were. I thought you would have caught on to this by now.
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Get over yourself shitstain.

People do not come here for your bickering. They're leaving because of it. It's annoying. It's boring. Nobody thinks it's funny.

I know this is tough for you to comprened but it is not entertaining to try and assasinate someones character and attempt hurt their business. The fact that you think of me as an "easy target" proves you're just a dick looking to victimize someone. You offer nothing other than to amuse yourself at the expense of everyone else.

I'm telling you Juice; if this board goes, it will be because you made it impossible to carry on. And it's very, very close to that point. If it were up to me, you'd be banned already. Instead, what will probably happen is, you'll be here and the board will be gone. If that's what the members want, so be it.
 
Juice Authority said:
Are fucking kidding? People come here to watch us bicker for pure entertainment value. I can always count on a reaction from you. You're an easy target Nelson - you always were. I thought you would have caught on to this by now.
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That is incorrect JA IMHO. We have a chat board for that.

If that was the intention of the board and the wish of the members then i read it totally wrong (which i have been many times before).

Hopefully there can be a happy medium and we can all benefit from Nelson's debate against some ''standard and acceptded'' chemistry.

The flames etc can be achieved from anyone who has a good standard of literacy on any chat board and does not require Nelson

Wrongun!
 
And people think I'm a big meanie because I don't agree 100% with the "no-kill shelter" philosophy.

As far as I'm concerned, JA and Nelson are on a level playing field. You came here to box, let's see a clean fight. Break clean when the ref says "break" and go back to a neutral corner on a knockdown.

Naeblis burning up EF's disk space by pasting nonsense from another board is a different story. The dude doesn't even have the grace to admit it when he gets caught, so screw him. Big Rocco, Tony and me, we'll take him out back and uh, teach him some manners.

Okay, whoever's left, show me your gloves... *ding!*
 
digger said:
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As far as I'm concerned, JA and Nelson are on a level playing field. You came here to box, let's see a clean fight. Break clean when the ref says "break" and go back to a neutral corner on a knockdown.
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Have to say i think that is a shame. Yes even playing field and yes Nelson can be and is very abrubt when challenged but i did think this was still part of a body building discussion and not chat. If the ''gloves off'' was all to do with specific debate surrounding training, AAS, Supplements etc then great but i think the point is it has become simply a mud slinging exercise (not singling out JA but with many) and so we do lose the benefit of Nelsons thoughts

Looks like i was wrong and it is an extension of the chat board so there is nothing to see here

Wrongun!
 
Digger is right. This board rocks and as long as no one falls into the "your daughter is a bitch" thing, then we wont be banning anyone. Naeblis got caught with both hands in the cookie jar ahahahahaha... so funny.

Btw, could someone go on AF and bring E2 here ?
 
Wrongun said:
Have to say i think that is a shame. Yes even playing field and yes Nelson can be and is very abrubt when challenged but i did think this was still part of a body building discussion and not chat. If the ''gloves off'' was all to do with specific debate surrounding training, AAS, Supplements etc then great but i think the point is it has become simply a mud slinging exercise (not singling out JA but with many) and so we do lose the benefit of Nelsons thoughts

Looks like i was wrong and it is an extension of the chat board so there is nothing to see here

Wrongun!
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Wrongun Bro,

You know the history between Nelson and me. Yeah there's an occasional flame or two but if you look back at most of the posts I made in this forum in you'll notice that I've tried debating Nelson's comments with evidence to the contrary and he has yet to address any of my points. Sure, I admit I enjoy getting a rise out of him but I also enjoy debating his theories/opinions. Now the BS regarding Bill Roberts was meant to bust his balls. I'll admit that but I've also tried to discuss and debate many of statements and he either ignores it or discredits the source of the information.
 
I appreciate digger looking out for things and I always respect mannys comments. But I think the issue is misunderstood in this case.

I'm all for an even playing field -- as long as it has to do with training, supplements, anabolcis or anything related to bodybuilding. The truth of the matter is, what has occured here is EXACTLY of the "your daughter's a bitch" variety.

I don't give a flying fuck if JA thinks this is fun. The guy admits he is being antgonistic with no end in site. He admits to arguing just for the sake of arguing. And he admits to lying. Then, he tries to save face by saying 'I was just busting your balls."

THIS IS NOT WHY I HAVE THIS BOARD AND I WILL NOT CONTINUE IT UNDER THESE CONDITIONS.

If you want a board to just aimlessy insult other people, go find some grade school chat board for losers.

Naiblis was ridiculous but at least he was amusing. It was so over the top , no one took it seriously. JA is a pathological trouble maker. He's been that way every day for years. As far as I'm concerned, the wrong guy was banned.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I appreciate digger looking out for things and I always respect mannys comments. But I think the issue is misunderstood in this case.

I'm all for an even playing field -- as long as it has to do with training, supplements, anabolcis or anything related to bodybuilding. The truth of the matter is, what has occured here is EXACTLY of the "your daughter's a bitch" variety.

I don't give a flying fuck if JA thinks this is fun. The guy admits he is being antgonistic with no end in site. He admits to arguing just for the sake of arguing. And he admits to lying. Then, he tries to save face by saying 'I was just busting your balls."

THIS IS NOT WHY I HAVE THIS BOARD AND I WILL NOT CONTINUE IT UNDER THESE CONDITIONS.

If you want a board to just aimlessy insult other people, go find some grade school chat board for losers.

Naiblis was ridiculous but at least he was amusing. It was so over the top , no one took it seriously. JA is a pathological trouble maker. He's been that way every day for years. As far as I'm concerned, the wrong guy was banned.
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Ok, now that your panties are in an uproar let me clarify the following:

1) I honestly disagree with many of your claims so you're wrong I don't just argue for the sake of arguing. I find some of your theories and advice terribly flawed and I make an effort to point that out. Let's face Nelson; you just don’t like being criticized. You can’t handle it.

2) I NEVER admitted to lying! I admitted to busting your balls with the Bill Roberts thing mainly because I found the fact that you plagiarized his work entertaining.

3) Pathological troublemaker? Why, because I ask your back up you theories with proven facts or data that substantiates your position?

4) And lastly, if digger or one of the Mods find what I'm doing here harmful to the integrity of the board I'm sure they will tell me to stop. Until then, the party continues....
 
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Most of Nelson's ideas are right on the money...if you disagree, back it up. You always just give your opinions...rarely do you back it up with any evidence.

Once again I will sum up what Nelson is trying to inculcate into the minds of the uninformed:

Hard work is what gets you results. Not supplements, not steroids, not nutrient timing. You can try all the gimics you want...none of them are going to work. If you want to work hard in the gym, then do it and see results...if not, try all the miracle diets and drugs you want...but it ain't gonna get you nowhere.

If you disagree with that...well, you need to come back to reality...see you then.
 
GET THIS THORUGH YOUR STUPID FUCKING THICK HEAD JA.

SLANDERING SOMEONES REPUTATION IS NOT "GOOD FUN".

CALLING SOMEONE A PLAGERIST IS NOT "ENTERTAINING."

LET'S RE-CAP OUR HISTORY.


YOU ARGUED WITH ME ABOUT CLOMID. THEN WHEN IT DIDN'T WORK FOR YOU YOU CAME CRYING FOR HELP.

YOU APPOLOGIZED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS FOR FLAMING ONCE THE TIDE OF THE BOARD MEMEBERS TURNED AGAINST YOU . AS SOON AS YOU WERE FORGIVEN, YOU STARTED RIGHT UP AGAIN.

YOU MADE CLAIMS THAT SOMETHING WAS A "KNOWN FACT" AND THEN WHEN YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG YOU SAY; "JUST KIDDING!"

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT DO THIS!!!


The list goes on and on. I have no problem with disagreements. But I have no time for jackasses who just want to make trouble.

It's obvious JA will continue this until the Mods stop him. So here we go. Mods? All I ask is that JA be banned from this board. As far as I'm concerned he can post on any other EF forum. Fair enough?
 
I know this doesn't count...because you sort of half-assed a reference...but I've been wondering about this. You told me you read a study where it showed that 3g/lb of protein was not overkill or something like that. You gave me the issue of something, but I'm not sure it was a journal...

I'm not saying you didn't back it up...beacuse I haven't been able to fnd the study...but could you help me out finding it? Or copy and paste it?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310858&page=2&pp=40&highlight=links/refs
 
Bulldog_10 said:
I know this doesn't count...because you sort of half-assed a reference...but I've been wondering about this. You told me you read a study where it showed that 3g/lb of protein was not overkill or something like that. You gave me the issue of something, but I'm not sure it was a journal...

I'm not saying you didn't back it up...beacuse I haven't been able to fnd the study...but could you help me out finding it? Or copy and paste it?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310858&page=2&pp=40&highlight=links/refs
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That's a piss poor example if you ask me. I gave you the site where I got the information and the scientific journal that it came from.

http://nsinte1.moe.edu.sg/project/wt/readroom.nsf/0/2584a93ffcecf3844825671200125558?OpenDocument

Article from Nutrition Science News March 1997 - Volume 2 No 3
 
Nelson Montana said:
GET THIS THORUGH YOUR STUPID FUCKING THICK HEAD JA.

SLANDERING SOMEONES REPUTATION IS NOT "GOOD FUN".

CALLING SOMEONE A PLAGERIST IS NOT "ENTERTAINING."

LET'S RE-CAP OUR HISTORY.


YOU ARGUED WITH ME ABOUT CLOMID. THEN WHEN IT DIDN'T WORK FOR YOU YOU CAME CRYING FOR HELP.

YOU APPOLOGIZED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS FOR FLAMING ONCE THE TIDE OF THE BOARD MEMEBERS TURNED AGAINST YOU . AS SOON AS YOU WERE FORGIVEN, YOU STARTED RIGHT UP AGAIN.

YOU MADE CLAIMS THAT SOMETHING WAS A "KNOWN FACT" AND THEN WHEN YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG YOU SAY; "JUST KIDDING!"

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT DO THIS!!!


The list goes on and on. I have no problem with disagreements. But I have no time for jackasses who just want to make trouble.

It's obvious JA will continue this until the Mods stop him. So here we go. Mods? All I ask is that JA be banned from this board. As far as I'm concerned he can post on any other EF forum. Fair enough?
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:bawling: :bawling:


Who fuck said it didn't work? I was completely shutdown and I crashed hard off a very androgenic cycle (Note: I was doing mroe than 2g's a week). Clomid is not a miracle drug but has been shown (under controlled medical studies I might add) to speed up the recovery process.

So the board "forgave me" for flaming you? LOL. You are you fucking delusional???

"YOU MADE CLAIMS THAT SOMETHING WAS A "KNOWN FACT" AND THEN WHEN YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG YOU SAY; "JUST KIDDING!"

Are you talking about your plagiarizing of Bill Roberts? I still say you did and backed it up. The burden of proof is on you now. Post your earliest article about it and I will post and earlier article written by Bill.

"It's obvious JA will continue this until the Mods stop him. So here we go. Mods? All I ask is that JA be banned from this board. As far as I'm concerned he can post on any other EF forum. Fair enough?"

I don't see it happening Nelson. Maybe if you got down on your knees and begged they might take pity on your ass and politely ask me to leave but until then I'm here to stay and call you on your shit!
 
Juice Authority said:
That's a piss poor example if you ask me. I gave you the site where I got the information and the scientific journal that it came from.

http://nsinte1.moe.edu.sg/project/wt/readroom.nsf/0/2584a93ffcecf3844825671200125558?OpenDocument

Article from Nutrition Science News March 1997 - Volume 2 No 3
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Oh..ok. I thought in that discussion you were advocating high protein diets in order to gain weight (I think some people were talking like 2+g/lb or something.)

My mistake...although that link was nowhere near being scientific. I agree with you on the 3x RDA thing.

And I'm not going to search for times when you couldn't back somethng up...i got no time for that. Although, on that same thread you said this:

"lets address the insulin issue. Your pancreas secretes insulin into the bloodstream in response to the food you eat. Insulin drives nutrients into muscles by stimulating the sodium/potassium pump located within the cell surface. Stimulating this pump is required for active transports of essential nutrients (carbohydrates and amino acids) into cells. The presence of insulin channels nutritional materials toward cell anabolism (growth) and prevents catabolism."



Try backing that up...LOL.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
"lets address the insulin issue. Your pancreas secretes insulin into the bloodstream in response to the food you eat. Insulin drives nutrients into muscles by stimulating the sodium/potassium pump located within the cell surface. Stimulating this pump is required for active transports of essential nutrients (carbohydrates and amino acids) into cells. The presence of insulin channels nutritional materials toward cell anabolism (growth) and prevents catabolism."

Try backing that up...LOL.
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You're can be a real ass, you know that? Here's your fucking proof straight from Paul Cribb B.H.Sci.HMS - word from word!

http://www.ast-ss.com/dev/qa_search/full_text.asp?ID=1853

Q: I always hear talk in bodybuilding magazines and chat rooms about insulin. In plain English, can you tell me what insulin does and why spiking insulin levels are beneficial to building muscle?


A: "Getting phenomenal results from resistance training depends on how you manage insulin secretion. You won't grow muscle simply because you've decided that's what you want to do! You have to slant every nutritional component in your favor. This starts and ends with managing your body’s natural secretion of insulin.

Your pancreas secretes insulin into the bloodstream in response to the food you eat. Insulin drives nutrients into muscles by stimulating the sodium/potassium pump located within the cell surface. Stimulating this pump is required for active transport of essential nutrients (carbohydrates and amino acids) into cells. The presence of insulin in the blood channels nutritional materials toward cell anabolism (growth) and prevents catabolism (breakdown). Regarding insulin manipulation for muscle growth, there are two aspects we need to concern ourselves with:"

Now, how do your credentials size up to Paul Cribb?

Paul Cribb B.H.Sci.HMS.
AST Director of Research
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Paul is an Exercise Physiologist currently working toward his Doctorate at the Footscray Campus of Victoria University, Australia.

A native Australian, he has been an athlete his entire life. Blending hands-on athleticism with his intellectual astuteness is a perfect compliment to the AST Sports Science philosophy.

Paul has earned a Bachelor's degree in Health Science (Exercise Physiology) and another Bachelor's degree in Chemical Science (Biochemistry) with honors. He is currently a Ph.D candidate examining the effects of nutritional supplementation on body composition and athletic performance.
 
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So you plageurized some misinformation? Nelson...Have a field day.

BTW, Na,K-ATPases are what cause muscle cell depolarization in the sarcolemma. They transport exactly what they say they transport...sodium and potassium, via the breakdown of ATP for energy.

Insulin on the other hand causes glut-4 receptors (glucose transporter proteins) to be translocated from the sarcoplasm to the cell membrane (in the transverse-tubules), which allow glucose and other nutrients into the cell.

I'd like to know where that MD got his degree.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
So you plageurized some misinformation? Nelson...Have a field day.

BTW, Na,K-ATPases are what cause muscle cell depolarization in the sarcolemma. They transport exactly what they say they transport...sodium and potassium, via the breakdown of ATP for energy.

Insulin on the other hand causes glut-4 receptors (glucose transporter proteins) to be translocated from the sarcoplasm to the cell membrane (in the transverse-tubules), which allow glucose and other nutrients into the cell.

I'd like to know where that MD got his degree.
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Plaigerized??? I never passed that off as my own knowledge you moron!
 
Bulldog_10 said:
So first you say he's an MD...now he's jsut an exercise physiologist? (Which I will be in 3 months, BTW).
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Ph.D!!!
 
Juice Authority said:
Plaigerized??? I never passed that off as my own knowledge you moron!
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Did you mention where you got that info the first time you posted it? No. You were trying to sound smart, and got called on it.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
Did you mention where you got that info the first time you posted it? No. You were trying to sound smart, and got called on it.
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You called me on what?? You asked me to bck up that statement and I just did. So if anything, I called myself on it since I just posted where I got it? When did I pass that off as my own knowledge?? When??? I posted the info I read not as my opinion but as a substantiated fact. You asked me to back up my statement, which wasn’t mine to begin with, and I posted the link. Now, defeated in your accusation you call it plagiarism. How lame!
 
Oh...and might I mention that your "expert" Pual CRibb is trying to sell supplements when he is talking about this stuff...so take it for what you will.

And if you think I'm a "real ass" just think about how nelson feels about you! LOL!
 
Juice Authority said:
You called me on what?? You asked me to bck up that statement and I just did. So if anything, I called myself on it since I just posted where I got it? When did I pass that off as my own knowledge?? When??? I posted the info I read not as my opinion but as a substantiated fact. You asked me to back up my statement, which wasn?t mine to begin with, and I posted the link. Now, defeated in your accusation you call it plagiarism. How lame!
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The first time you posted it...You did so WORD FOR WORD. Did you give paul cribb credit for it? Negative. I could see if you knew what the fuck you were talking about and tried to explain it in your own words...but you don't, and you didn't.

LOL...You're not even smart when you use other people's words. Here's a tip, next time you convey someone else's information as your own...make sure it's at least correct.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
Oh...and might I mention that your "expert" Pual CRibb is trying to sell supplements when he is talking about this stuff...so take it for what you will.

And if you think I'm a "real ass" just think about how nelson feels about you! LOL!
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How does his comentary on insulin promote the products he sells??? Please expand of that. By that logic everything that comes out of Nelson's mouth is a promotion for one of his products or his book.

Bro, you lost this one so give up. Tuck your tail between your legs and go away and shut the fuck up!
 
Juice Authority said:
How does his comentary on insulin promote the products he sells??? Please expand of that. By that logic everything that comes out of Nelson's mouth is a promotion for one of his products or his book.

Bro, you lost this one so give up. Tuck your tail between your legs and go away and shut the fuck up!
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Um...in the VERY article you are quoting, this guy is selling supplements. I think it's pretty logical to assume that you can't just take everything he is saying as the truth without looking into it.

I lost nothing...you are the moron who knows nothing of how insulin works. But hey...at least you read an advertisement, right? Advertisements are filled with scientifically useful information. It's a wonder why more peer-rviewed journal articles don't quote them in their studies.

Juice...You haven't a clue about the inner-workings of the human body...so just stop trying to sound like you do by quoting websites and advertisements.


You're just making more of a fool of yourself. And keep arguing...because I'm done. It is obvious you are doing the exact thing that you accuse nelson of...not admitting you're wrong. So take a hike...Nelson's board is alot better without your incessant ramblings.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
The first time you posted it...You did so WORD FOR WORD. Did you give paul cribb credit for it? Negative. I could see if you knew what the fuck you were talking about and tried to explain it in your own words...but you don't, and you didn't.

LOL...You're not even smart when you use other people's words. Here's a tip, next time you convey someone else's information as your own...make sure it's at least correct.
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Had you or anyone else asked me site the source of an accepted medical fact I would have. I can show other references of the same information. Does that mean Paul plagiarized them too? You just asked me where I got the info and I showed you. Do you think Paul came up with that or do you think it was something he learned through the course of his studies? There's a difference in plagiarizing someone else's idea and sharing well known and accepted medical information.

What’s funny is that you started this off by calling me out of the content of the information posted. Now that it was sufficiently backed up you've switched gears to insinuate that the information was "plagiaerized". LOL! You fucktard.
 
Nelson...where are you? Maybe as a team, we can control this dimwit who spewing misinformation on your board. He definitely requires a team approach to mental health. Do we have a psychiatrist in the house?
 
Naeblis said:
It's all in good fun JA. You seem tot hink you can harass Nelson for no other reason than entertaining others, why can I not do the same?? *pokes you in the eye*
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Fair point.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
If this board goes, I'm leaving Elite. I only came back when I saw this.
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I really don't know what to say........

You believe NM?

Amazing. Simply amazing.

PM me once he backs up anything he says scientifically.

Really...I mean it.
 
Come on, Fonz. Some of us are interested in what he has to say. I'm always interested in what you have to say. I think the two of you are the only ones that really have something unique to offer than all the other same-old, same-old that makes up most boards. You both get a lively debate going. But enough with the flames and personal attacks. Challenge him vigorously, but try to keep a lid on the insults. This is his board and I think it would be a big lost if you were banned from it. In a way, you both try to get across the same idea -- which is to make your training and nutrition at it's most optimal rather than to rely on drugs. How you achieve that varies greatly but sharing these ideas benefits us all.

I want you to hang around here more and argue your points and refute his. He'll do the same. Let the rest of us hash it out.
 
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Come on, Fonz. Some of us are interested in what he has to say. I'm always interested in what you have to say. I think the two of you are the only ones that really have something unique to offer than all the other same-old, same-old that makes up most boards. You both get a lively debate going. But enough with the flames and personal attacks. Challenge him vigorously, but try to keep a lid on the insults. This is his board and I think it would be a big lost if you were banned from it. In a way, you both try to get across the same idea -- which is to make your training and nutrition at it's most optimal rather than to rely on drugs. How you achieve that varies greatly but sharing these ideas benefits us all.

I want you to hang around here more and argue your points and refute his. He'll do the same. Let the rest of us hash it out.
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Couple of problems:

Needsize and his cronies from trashology always feel the need to come over here. Now, Nelson might know a thing or two based on experience, but Needsize and cronies know NOTHING when it comes to AAS pharmacology and supplementation. All he knows is training, and a bit of nutrition.

Watch...ask Needsize, for example:

How does T3 affect the muscle?

Answer: Duh....But I'm bigger and Fonz you're delusional.... :)

Always goes like that.

What we need to do is BOOT people like Needsize back to their own PATHETIC baords. i.e. Trashology. He can post all he wants on the training board, but anywhere else.....no. Not a chance. His value besides the training board = 0 as far as I'm concerned.
 
You make a fair point. I have not followed closely the battle between you and Needsize but I am aware of it. You have a lot of detractors but surely you have accepted that any man with half a pair and an ounce of ambition isn't going to please everyone. But being liked is never the foremost goal for one who wishes to live a life of purpose. Indeed, having no enemies might be a sign that you are nothing but a mere sheep. No matter what anyone thinks of you personally no one can credibly say that you are a follower (nor can they say that you have no enemies). My point was more concerning you and Nelson.

Perhaps all of us would do well to police this more tightly knit board and come to a person's defense if the attacks become too personal and gratuitous and start to stray from the topic at hand.

I look forward to reading your posts.
 
Believe it or not, I welcome Fonz contributing to the board. I always have. But I don't think he can get past his vendetta towrd me, plus the fact that he no longer looked upon with blind adolation. He's just another guy with an opinion here. And he's free to give it. But nobody wants to hear him drudge up every greivance he's ever had with anybody. It's time to grow up Fonz. yes, sarting fron square one.

So lets drop the pretend "scientist" title you've given yourself. It's as fake as the make believe hot girlfriend in your avatar. State your case and let others state theirs. If that doesnt suit you, move on. I'd say that's fair.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Believe it or not, I welcome Fonz contributing to the board. I always have. But I don't think he can get past his vendetta towrd me, plus the fact that he no longer looked upon with blind adolation. He's just another guy with an opinion here. And he's free to give it. But nobody wants to hear him drudge up every greivance he's ever had with anybody. It's time to grow up Fonz. yes, sarting fron square one.

So lets drop the pretend "scientist" title you've given yourself. It's as fake as the make believe hot girlfriend in your avatar. State your case and let others state theirs. If that doesnt suit you, move on. I'd say that's fair.
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It is not hard to believe that you would welcome Fonz. I think you are always up for a lively debate. It did seem to me that the flames would start more out of you defending yourself against personal attacks -- but not always. Considering all that's happened on this board in such an incredibly short time (how you stir things up, Nelson) perhaps this would be a good time for both of you to turn over a new leaf.

And as I would like to encourage others to take a more active rule in policing behavior let me just say that your last paragraph, Nelson, specifically the first two sentences, can be construed as a gratuitous personal insult (Ignore it, Fonz. Just this once.) And I will keep that stick firmly planted up my butt until things calm down a little around here. I really think this is going to turn out to be a great board.
 
funny fonz, I call you out on different threads, you of course ignore that and come to this one to trash me once again.

You have absolutely no idea about my knowlege of AAS, nutrition, or anything else for that matter. You see that I am a bodybuilder, and you assume that I am just a big dumb bodybuilder. Fine, i couldnt care less, but like I said before, i can back up my education, which you of course cannot.

You are constantly making comments, insinuating that I look down on anyone smaller than me, and that to me size is everything. Funny that no one else from the other forums have ever gotten that impression of me, just you.... The difference between you and me, is that I dont measure my self worth by having people on an internet forum look up to me, as you do. So I dont cut and paste studies to make myself look smarter than I really am. If you were really that smart, you would have never been caught in all of those lies of yours...you know the ones you just ignore when people ask you about them. When it comes from a pure knowlege perspective, its guys like Andy13 I look up to, he doesnt need to lie about his shit to look smart, he is the real deal while you are the guy at McDonalds serving him his big mac....so come on, you really arent impressing anyone anymore.

So lets see the typical fonz response, where you completely ignore all the points that you cannot argue, and instead just try and find new ways to insult, to draw the heat off of yourself. Otherwise, I would love to hear about your pro football career, playing hockey in canada, being in the SAS, all your degrees, etc, all of which you managed to accomlish before the tender age of 25...
 
and fonzie, I can't believe you have brought up my name on yet another thread. I dont remember the last time I thought it worth mentioning you unless it was in response to something you threw at me, but here you are bringing me up yet again... Your repressed homosexual tendancies are becoming more obvious everytime you post about me, maybe you should try being honest with yourself, which might result in you being less angry with the men you desire but cannot have.
If you are looking for well built male bodybuilders, try AAP, that dude is jacked and very much into men. Frankly I am sick of explaining to my wife why some guy online keeps hitting on me
 
needsize said:
and fonzie, I can't believe you have brought up my name on yet another thread. I dont remember the last time I thought it worth mentioning you unless it was in response to something you threw at me, but here you are bringing me up yet again... Your repressed homosexual tendancies are becoming more obvious everytime you post about me, maybe you should try being honest with yourself, which might result in you being less angry with the men you desire but cannot have.
If you are looking for well built male bodybuilders, try AAP, that dude is jacked and very much into men. Frankly I am sick of explaining to my wife why some guy online keeps hitting on me
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Keep on making a complete fool out of yourself..its quite funny. Suddenly I'm a homosexual.......lol

Face it Needsize. You know NOTHING when it comes to AAS Pharmacology and physiology. Reason why you were never consdired for any type of Mod status. Add that to the fact that you're connected to many, many disreputable people and you're only worth listening to if you're a bodybuilder and you want to hear about training. Thats all you know...training.
I'll give you ONE chance to prove yourself. This question would take me and other vets about 20 minutes to explain. You have 2 days. If you fail to answer this question in 2 days consider yoursef a farce.

1. Explain T3's effects on the thyroid and their subsequant effects on a
steroid cycle consisting of Test and Dball?

The stop-watch starts NOW.
 
Fonz said:
Keep on making a complete fool out of yourself..its quite funny. Suddenly I'm a homosexual.......lol

Face it Needsize. You know NOTHING when it comes to AAS Pharmacology and physiology. Reason why you were never consdired for any type of Mod status. Add that to the fact that you're connected to many, many disreputable people and you're only worth listening to if you're a bodybuilder and you want to hear about training. Thats all you know...training.
I'll give you ONE chance to prove yourself. This question would take me and other vets about 20 minutes to explain. You have 2 days. If you fail to answer this question in 2 days consider yoursef a farce.

1. Explain T3's effects on the thyroid and their subsequant effects on a
steroid cycle consisting of Test and Dball?

The stop-watch starts NOW.
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What's more important, training or AAS? I'm going with training.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
What's more important, training or AAS? I'm going with training.
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Your opinion.
 
Fonz said:
Your opinion.
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I guess that's true...but you think drugs are more important than training?

My point is basically that you don't need to know the ins and outs of the pharmacology of steroids to see the benefits. But training can be a different story. Don't you agree?

It's like asking someone how soap works. Most people don't know, but they'll still be just as clean as the chemist that made the shit when they use it.
 
fonz, until you answer the questions about all your claims, pro football, your many degrees, being in the SAS, playing hockey in canada, as well as all the others, I am not going to respond to your sad little taunts. Your 15 minutes of fame are long over, everyone realizes you for the huge fraud that you are, so how about you climb back under the rock you came from.
I've always been a huge fan of the saying "the proof is in the pudding", if you know so much about steroids and pharmacology in general, then what do you have to show for this vast amount of knowlege....survey says....absolutely nothing. You cannot back up any of these athletic claims of yours as they are completely false, so all you are left with is a physique that most of the natural guys on this board can beat.

You see, unlike you I can back up everything I have ever said on these boards, not just my physique, but my education, and athletic achievements, these are things you simply arent capable of. I also have the respect of the board, not because i am a sad, sad little man who needs people on the internet to lick his ass to achieve some sense of self worth, but because I help out out of a genuine love for the sport. The only genuine love you have is for yourself fonz, and that is exactly why you are now the biggest internet joke that has ever graced any of the bodybuilding forums. So take a bow fonz, you have achieved something that you dont need to lie about.

Best part is i called this too, that you would completely ignore the stuff I was asking about, and come back with some more little insults to draw attention away from the lies that you are caught in. I see this with the emotionally damaged kids I work with all the time, its a common defense mechanism, just rarely seen on anyone old enough to grow pubes
 
T3 increases thyroid production and thus BW decrease and or Fat Lose occurs. Stupid question. Had a previous GF with a thyroid prob. What is the true question. Needsize kicks azz.
 
wtlftr said:
T3 increases thyroid production and thus BW decrease and or Fat Lose occurs. Stupid question. Had a previous GF with a thyroid prob. What is the true question. Needsize kicks azz.
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Sorry, orb, wrong answer. How would taking t3 increase thyroid production? The release of thyroid hormones work on a negative feedback loop.
 
yep..owneed.talked out of my azz. I will do some research. I was under the impression that taking T3 in excesses of what was prescribed would result in weight lose. If that was owned, I hope you are right. I will check
 
Bulldog_10 said:
What's more important, training or AAS? I'm going with training.
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I totally agree. Needsize doesn't have to say anything, his physique is the proof. If you don't build a solid base all the drugs on the earth won't do an ounce of good. I'd much rather get advice from someone that's living the lifestyle every day, as opposed to someone who's quoting various studies. And why would someone that's working out for bodybuilding purposes listen to someone that claims to only use AAS for sports?
 
wtlftr said:
researching and negative side effects of overdosing T3 is wt lose. How did I ge owned. OOOps maybe I had wrong info on the net. splain it to me please.
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no man I was talking about the other guy in this thread

not you
 
wtlftr said:
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But T3 doesn't increase thyroid production...it actually decreases it. Same thing during a cycle, you're injecting test, but your natural test production is lowered...not raised.
 
I guess I am out of field. I will stop posting. I thought n extra input f thyroid meds equaled wt lose. My bad
 
wtlftr said:
I guess I am out of field. I will stop posting. I thought n extra input f thyroid meds equaled wt lose. My bad
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LOL...sconoscuito.

Wtlftr...t3 and t4 both lead to weight loss...but you said that it increases thyroid production (which it doesn't).
 
needsize said:
fonz, until you answer the questions about all your claims, pro football, your many degrees, being in the SAS, playing hockey in canada, as well as all the others, I am not going to respond to your sad little taunts. Your 15 minutes of fame are long over, everyone realizes you for the huge fraud that you are, so how about you climb back under the rock you came from.
I've always been a huge fan of the saying "the proof is in the pudding", if you know so much about steroids and pharmacology in general, then what do you have to show for this vast amount of knowlege....survey says....absolutely nothing. You cannot back up any of these athletic claims of yours as they are completely false, so all you are left with is a physique that most of the natural guys on this board can beat.

You see, unlike you I can back up everything I have ever said on these boards, not just my physique, but my education, and athletic achievements, these are things you simply arent capable of. I also have the respect of the board, not because i am a sad, sad little man who needs people on the internet to lick his ass to achieve some sense of self worth, but because I help out out of a genuine love for the sport. The only genuine love you have is for yourself fonz, and that is exactly why you are now the biggest internet joke that has ever graced any of the bodybuilding forums. So take a bow fonz, you have achieved something that you dont need to lie about.

Best part is i called this too, that you would completely ignore the stuff I was asking about, and come back with some more little insults to draw attention away from the lies that you are caught in. I see this with the emotionally damaged kids I work with all the time, its a common defense mechanism, just rarely seen on anyone old enough to grow pubes
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You got 2 days loser.

And you can bring as many of your little cronies to help you out too, as its obvious they also have no clue either, which is quite sad.

And insults?

You called me a homosexual...lol now that is funny.

I called you ugly, because you're undeniably NOT attractive in the least.

Now, lets get back to the question...the clock is ticking.

You're the Bulwark of the typical bodybuilder: STUPID and DOUBLY STUPID.

My goal is to erradicate the likes of you. You serve no purpose but rather sell your counterfeit BS gear.
 
I used to read the boards some time back. Something I've learned is to filter out the bad and get on with it. I'll read everything and take in only the information I appreciate on a valid, personal level. Not only did I appreciate Needsize's posts, but I admire him for his honest accomplishments and love for the sport. He's not here for the wrong reasons, instead he's offering and accepting advice simultaneously. If I ever required AAS advice, I wouldn't be affraid to ask a user such as Needsize.

I don't really have an online life and would rarely, if ever, bother posting comments on another user, but this guy seriously deserves a congratulations for his efforts and accomplishments.

Keep up the good work needsize!

R33t
 
But Fonz has been proved a liar why would anyone listen to him? Fonz I can't believe you have the audacity to keep baiting needsize. You need to learn some manners :rainbow:
 
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fonzie honestly, what are you trying to prove? no one gives a shit! no one one this board like you! so fuck off!
you cannot believe how pathetic and childish you look right now. anyone and I mean anyone who had the least bit of respect for you just lost it after reading your words on this thread.

needsize does not have to prove himself to a loser like you. why don't you answer what every member has been asking you?
-your SAS training?
- what team and when did you play pro football/soccer
- how many and what degrees do you "claim" to have? (you know someone on another site made a thread where they went back and collected all the multiple posts you made telling of all the different degrees you "claim" to have - you should see the list)
- you AA hockey in Canada (oh, and just to let everyone know, I live in canada where fonzie claims he played hockey and the fact that he said he played AA just proves he has no idea what he is talking about. fonzie probably assumes AA hockey in Canada is equal to what it is in the states - which it is not. anyone who is have decent plays AAA as a kid - travel hockey. AA was for the kids that did not make the triple A team. sorry fonzy not making the big team must have broke your little skinny heart. maybe you should have taken some training advice from needsize to put some size on that aids ravished skeleton body of yours.
 
Oh and fonzy, what year exactly did you play hockey in Canada? I believe you said Ottawa. I have several friends from Ottawa - all of course who played hockey (hey, we're Canadian) and they are your age. I'm sure they would remember the son of a diplomat right?

Please do answer my question, and don't pull the typical fonzy response:

"Oh ya, I revolutionized the supplement industry with my posts on elite. Now post a pick fatty, you amoeba brain!"
 
- member of the SAS
- played AA hockey in canada
- how many degrees by early 20s?
- plays pro football
- 19.5" arms(thats my personal favourite)
- benches 385lbs for 2 reps, despite having no apparent chest
- son or nephew of milionaire diplomat
- used pic from male model site claiming it as his own, when caught, said"I said my build was just like his....)
- used pic of female model and claimed it was his girlfriend

Out of all fairness tough guy, I did ask you this first, and have been asking you about these for a while, but you just keeping ignoring those posts. So lets hear you explain these, and they are just off the top of my head, I know there are more which I'll post up as soon as I remember. So as soon as you explain all of those claims, I will post my answer to your little question
Saddest part though is that you do not realize your credibility is completely gone, and that to everyone you are merely a joke now, so like a drowning man you keep grasping at whatever you can to slow your descent.
And btw, I summarized that you must be gay as I couldnt for the life of me, think of an other reason why someone would be so obsessed about me and be constantly bringing up my name on posts
 
oh, and I almost forgot, fonz made personal threats towards me on the anabolic forum to get someone else to stop bothering him. Thats not one of his false claims, just kinda funny. Oh, and dont forget reverse scamming a source, and only paying up after he was busted(I have lots of proof of that one)
 
forgot about track star, but did mention soccer(football over there)
 
needsize said:
oh, and I almost forgot, fonz made personal threats towards me on the anabolic forum to get someone else to stop bothering him. Thats not one of his false claims, just kinda funny. Oh, and dont forget reverse scamming a source, and only paying up after he was busted(I have lots of proof of that one)
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Reverse scamming?

Bwahahahahahahhaa....good one.

OK......you have your little UG lab called quest you get kick-backs from. Would you like me to mention you direct newbies there at every opportunity?

Heh?

I don't need to threaten, i will simply step over you like I have done with so many losers like yourself. And btw, take your 2,3, and 4 trashology post crew back to trashology. And johnny jacked? He's another joke. He's so stupid it would take him 3 hours to watch 60 minutes. Pfftt......you think this is flaming or bashing? LMFAO You're going to have to do 10000X better than that to beat me. Because I am going to destroy you. I have all the info i need and all the right people to send it to. Guys like you prey and feed on newbies to make money, thtrough your pathetic UG connections, and I'm going to flatten you.
 
Fonz said:
Reverse scamming?

Bwahahahahahahhaa....good one.

OK......you have your little UG lab called quest you get kick-backs from. Would you like me to mention you direct newbies there at every opportunity?

Heh?

I don't need to threaten, i will simply step over you like I have done with so many losers like yourself. And btw, take your 2,3, and 4 trashology post crew back to trashology. And johnny jacked? He's another joke. He's so stupid it would take him 3 hours to watch 60 minutes. Pfftt......you think this is flaming or bashing? LMFAO You're going to have to do 10000X better than that to beat me. Because I am going to destroy you. I have all the info i need and all the right people to send it to. Guys like you prey and feed on newbies to make money, thtrough your pathetic UG connections, and I'm going to flatten you.
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LOL...you're really taking this seriously huh? There is no need to take any of this shit to the personal level (ie nothing should leave the boards...our internet world). I would totally lose any prior shred of respect I had for you in the event you use personal info against anyone on the boards.

That's hitting below the belt.
 
Don't forget sourcing dnp to those anorexic/bullimic girls. You know they still hate you Fonz. A few of those girls got really sick. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Wow! This is amazing entertainment. It's like a He-man cartoon in the making :D
 
wow fonz is resorting to adolescent little threats again, what a surprise. And an even bigger surprise, you dont respond to the questions about all the false claims you have made.
So give it up fonz, no ones cares anymore. You can keep trying to bait me all you want, or you can take it up a notch and follow through with your personal threats, in which case you'll be banned. You keep saying i am trying to beat you, you are so over-estimating your importance to anyone here. I am merely responding to your threats and ignorant comments, i have no desire to play who beat who, unlike you I have more important things in my life.
So until you answer about all your false claims, no one will ever take you seriously, and you cant handle that fact, so you keep targetting me. So if thats what it takes for you to feel like a big man, then go ahead fonz, do what you need to find some false threads of dignity.
And the sad thing is that this all started because I said I dont like it when you use mod powers to bully people. Over that you start an internet war in which you make tons of personal threats. Wow, the internet and adoration of people you'll never meet sure means a lot to you.
carry on then
 
oh and fonz, I dont kick backs or anything for referring people to quest reps, any referrals I made were to bros in the US looking for it, and I know a guy that ships there. That same guy now ships orbit gear to the US, so now all the people I refer are getting orbit gear instead. So if I was getting anything from quest I would sure be kicking myself in the nuts for doing that now wouldnt I????
 
That thread is now soooo off the lines. It should be locked but I won't unless Nelson or Digger feel it should.
 
manny78 said:
That thread is now soooo off the lines. It should be locked but I won't unless Nelson or Digger feel it should.
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Let em go. When they're all punched out, they'll stop.

I don't believe in locking threads. It justdelays the conversation. Fonz has years of payback headed his way. Let the people speak!
 
I have no problems debating with little napoloen, but I do think the personal threats about using personal info against me are over the line, I cant understand how fonz doesnt get banned over making those threats
 
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