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I thought Fina was 3x as Androgenic as test, 2x as Anabolic.
I understand what you mean but I think there are other factors too - when I lost hair it came out in patches sort of, hairline did not receed at all...
This was originally posted by buffdoc...
Below is a post I made at the end of a thread on sudden hair loss with Fina. I've also heard similar accounts w/ primo, winny, test, etc.
Only one response, from Frackal, regarding an additional, more definitive post on hair loss. Will do it if there's interest, but will take some work on my part, so I want to make sure I'm not pissing in the wind
Will discuss male pattern baldness, impact of AAS, medical treatments, etc, if you want me to.
OK, this is NOT MPB (androgenetic alopecia), if the hair is falling out that fast. I read a lot here about "I used such and such AAS for so many weeks and started losing my hair, then I quit and it came back, thank God".
AA, or Androgenetic Alopecia (common male pattern baldness) is a progressive process of miniaturization of the hairs, under the influence of genetics and androgens, and time. Under these influences, with each cycle of hair growth (resting stage: telogen and growth stage:anagen) the anagen phase gets shorter and shorter, and the hair becomes finer and loses length. Eventually, after a number of cycles, the hair becomes baby fine and then is lost for good.
AA does NOT occur as a sudden "falling out" of the hair. However, there is an entity known as "telogen effluvium" (TE), which is essentially a mass shedding (many of the hairs simultaneously go into the telogen, or resting, phase, and fall out). This almost always comes back after the precipitating stress is over.
TE is more common in women (think: post pregnancy hair loss, etc), but can occur w/ men too. Any stress can stimulate this reaction: trauma, surgery, burns, emotional stress; also, the most commonly known one: cancer chemotherapy!
Perhaps Fina is such a stressor!?
At any rate, because of its nature, TE is NOT helped by finasteride, minoxidil, Nizoral, etc, as was correctly stated. Only time will tell.
My point here is that these tales of RAPID hair shedding under the influence of AAS are not AA; they are something else.
Let me know if anyone's interested in a longer, more complete post about the state of the art in hair loss and hair preservation/replacement in the future. It's a side interest of mine: I gave 3 lectures at the recent meeting of the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery in October.
If there's a lot of interest, I'll put together a post; O/W, I'll chill into the New Year!
Best to everybody...
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I'm not saying I am positive this is what happened to me but it just shows that you can't always just line up androgen values (Not that I dispute what you are saying - it does make sense and is a good way to base things on), I am just saying people react differently to differently so he 75mg of Fina a day is certainly no worse statement may be true for you, but not everyone.
I'm not even sure what my point is anymore or whether I had one, it's late and I'm going to bed.
I understand what you mean but I think there are other factors too - when I lost hair it came out in patches sort of, hairline did not receed at all...
This was originally posted by buffdoc...
Below is a post I made at the end of a thread on sudden hair loss with Fina. I've also heard similar accounts w/ primo, winny, test, etc.
Only one response, from Frackal, regarding an additional, more definitive post on hair loss. Will do it if there's interest, but will take some work on my part, so I want to make sure I'm not pissing in the wind
Will discuss male pattern baldness, impact of AAS, medical treatments, etc, if you want me to.
OK, this is NOT MPB (androgenetic alopecia), if the hair is falling out that fast. I read a lot here about "I used such and such AAS for so many weeks and started losing my hair, then I quit and it came back, thank God".
AA, or Androgenetic Alopecia (common male pattern baldness) is a progressive process of miniaturization of the hairs, under the influence of genetics and androgens, and time. Under these influences, with each cycle of hair growth (resting stage: telogen and growth stage:anagen) the anagen phase gets shorter and shorter, and the hair becomes finer and loses length. Eventually, after a number of cycles, the hair becomes baby fine and then is lost for good.
AA does NOT occur as a sudden "falling out" of the hair. However, there is an entity known as "telogen effluvium" (TE), which is essentially a mass shedding (many of the hairs simultaneously go into the telogen, or resting, phase, and fall out). This almost always comes back after the precipitating stress is over.
TE is more common in women (think: post pregnancy hair loss, etc), but can occur w/ men too. Any stress can stimulate this reaction: trauma, surgery, burns, emotional stress; also, the most commonly known one: cancer chemotherapy!
Perhaps Fina is such a stressor!?
At any rate, because of its nature, TE is NOT helped by finasteride, minoxidil, Nizoral, etc, as was correctly stated. Only time will tell.
My point here is that these tales of RAPID hair shedding under the influence of AAS are not AA; they are something else.
Let me know if anyone's interested in a longer, more complete post about the state of the art in hair loss and hair preservation/replacement in the future. It's a side interest of mine: I gave 3 lectures at the recent meeting of the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery in October.
If there's a lot of interest, I'll put together a post; O/W, I'll chill into the New Year!
Best to everybody...
__________________
I'm not saying I am positive this is what happened to me but it just shows that you can't always just line up androgen values (Not that I dispute what you are saying - it does make sense and is a good way to base things on), I am just saying people react differently to differently so he 75mg of Fina a day is certainly no worse statement may be true for you, but not everyone.
I'm not even sure what my point is anymore or whether I had one, it's late and I'm going to bed.
