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weeks 1-4 update OH YEAH!!!

Re: Jack Diesel

FatChops said:
I am on TTokyo and it's pretty nice if I have to say so myself!!! Is it too late to jump on anti'es???

If u don't need them don't use them. My partner uses in excess of 2500mg/wk of sust w/no fuckin' bloat! Bastard! Me on the other hand have to use my anti-e's religiously!
 
I am doing a 8 week sust/deca stack now (first cycle) @ 500/mg sust and 300mg deca for the first 3 weeks and then 250mg sust and 150mg deca for the rest then jumping to winny V to cut down and then hcg and clomid. I have gained 19 pounds so far (about 30% water) and I am only in week 3.... I know this because I went to a club and danced my ass off and lost 6 pounds (all watter) lol in the morning I was cut as hell! lol but I got it back by the end of the day... anyway kinda off topic but this doesnt warrent a new thred so I am gonna ask here...


is there anyway to increase apatite??? right now I am eating about 2000cals for breakfast (5 or 6 packs of oatmeal, 8 eggwhites, 2 or 3 real eggs,4 slices of cheese on the eggs and 2 335cal begels with 13g protien and 56g carbs along with a shake. then depending on when I work out about 1500 to 2000 cals for 2 or 3 more meals (lots of carbs in all meals allong with high protien stuff like stake or if it's low protien I will have a shake with it) I have also started eating at least 2 packs of oatmeal with every meal I eat every day for more carbs. my question is what else could I do to gain more or what else could I do to increase my apatite because by the end of the day I am litterly forcing the food down before bed. any help with this would be great... lol I know someone is gonna ask so I will answer now, yes I am doing cardio to keep my self from exploding into a fat man (well I do abs one day and cardio the next on a 6 day split)

any help would be great.. thanx.
 
i must be doing something wrong ....you sure its lean muscle and not fat bro damn im on a similar cycle and only gained 7 so far....congratulations bro..
 
Rampage

Yo man I have went down on my body fat from 11% to 10% and I don't see a lot of fat building up so and another thing is that I don't do any cardio during my bulk cycle, because I am concentrating on strength and size I will worry about cutting later..

"If it was easy, then everyone would do it"
 
thanx laundry guy. and just so u guys know what I ment by cardio is 3.5mph walking on tredmill for 20 minutes after workout, but I hit the abs hard for when I start to cut they will come out nicely

also, I am heard that b12 can cause mental retardation so I have stayed away from this. I havnt found anything to back that claim up so if any of u know anything regarding b12 that might be helpfull please let me know.
 
how do you guys gain so much so early if everyone says it kicks in about wk 4 what the hell are you guys taking..damn im jealous ...
 
from what I understand (and I understand very little because I am a newb) the prop in the sus kicks in in a few days (nothing crazy but it does) and in as little as 2 weeks my strength has gone WAY ... WAY up. I think it's part gear, part confidence in your gear giving u an edge that u actually think u are stronger and lift more... but thats just what I have seen (and it's not much considering that this is my first cycle) and also because I am frontloading both deca and sus for the first 3 weeks (next shot I start to taper off)
 
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