Week 8 Acne And Bloat

[obey]

Just started my 8th week of 500mg/w deca and 550mg/w andropen. Im running L-Dex @ .5mg eod the problem i am having is i just started to notice alot of bloat in my face and acne just started poping up on my chest, back, face, and upper arms any reason why this would just start so late in the cycle?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

the effects of high E levels exacerbated by natural progesterone suppression (nandrolone).

you need a stronger AI.

 

[obey]

should i just up the dosage of L-dex or go with aifm or somthing else? and what about acne?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

should i just up the dosage of L-dex or go with aifm or somthing else? and what about acne?

you can try upping the l-dex dosage. Though you will probably need something stronger (AIFM, Aromasin or letro). the acne can be due to both estrogenic and progestenic actions. A stronger AI will suppress PgR expression, so it will help with both.

 

[LVTitan]

add in some nolvadex.. i usually dont get acne from test until around the 8 week mark also, but i dont run test anymore either.. i run arimidex AND nolvadex this last time and i noticed the acne was almost nonexistent !!

 

[obey]

what dose do recommend for the nolva?

 

[Guvna]

add in some nolvadex.. i usually dont get acne from test until around the 8 week mark also, but i dont run test anymore either.!

why not?

 

[obey]

why not what ?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you DO NOT want to take nolva with nandrolone (nolva upregulates the PgR)

 

[LVTitan]

macro i never like to disagree with you.. but this was the first time that i did not bloat during a cycle. my cycle was deca/eq as you well know i do NOT use test anymore..

i used .25/.50mg adex per day along with 10mg nolvadex per day and stayed dry.
i know that nolva is not the ai of choice with nandrolones, i KNOW this, but radar told me to try this, and IT FUCKING WORKED, this was one of my best cycles ever, i actually dropped the eq early and was on deca only the last month.

for pct i did 1500IU hcg 3x in a two week period and ran 1.0mg adex and 20mg nolva ED for about 5 weeks and have had no problems

 

[LVTitan]

why not?

test makes me very irritable. you can say all you want about roid rage being bullshit, but i'm a happy camper on deca/eq even calmer than when i'm off.
when on test i get angry very easy,

also test wreaks havoc on my skin. i had bad acne for a year after my last test cycle. i finally used accutane to clear it up. lots of gear makes me break out, even winny/primo/proviron

deca/eq has been the best for me so far, but i'm going to even stop using eq because it makes my skin very red i look like a lobster when i'm on it.

 

[Guvna]

test makes me very irritable. you can say all you want about roid rage being bullshit, but i'm a happy camper on deca/eq even calmer than when i'm off.
when on test i get angry very easy,

also test wreaks havoc on my skin. i had bad acne for a year after my last test cycle. i finally used accutane to clear it up. lots of gear makes me break out, even winny/primo/proviron

deca/eq has been the best for me so far, but i'm going to even stop using eq because it makes my skin very red i look like a lobster when i'm on it.

I see. As to the "roid rage" thing, I have been trying for years to debunk the myth of the "myth of roid rage." (as you well know) Androgens increase aggression, period. No, it does not happen to everyone but to deny is foolish. You just have to be able to control yourself.

 

[ALIN]

Just started my 8th week of 500mg/w deca and 550mg/w andropen. Im running L-Dex @ .5mg eod the problem i am having is i just started to notice alot of bloat in my face and acne just started poping up on my chest, back, face, and upper arms any reason why this would just start so late in the cycle?

Mine acne always flairs up after cycle.

 

[VascularitY]

if your prone to getting acne chances are you will get acne from test, if youve never had zits before you probably wont get them. Try running a low dose of accutane (20mg) ED and your acne will go away.

 

[LVTitan]

i run 40mg EOD as a maintenance when needed. but i havent needed to since stopping test use.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

macro i never like to disagree with you.. but this was the first time that i did not bloat during a cycle. my cycle was deca/eq

you should like to reasonably disagree (thats what sparks debate and learning)


there are actually a lot of explanations for your response. however, if you just used a stronger AI you would not bloat either. (nolva can stop E related bloat- nandrolone does have E metabolites- though it can also cause E related bloat- this varies due to a lot of factors but mainly receptor isoforms and concentrations).

the issue with using nolva and nandrolone is that progestenic effects from nandrolone CAN be exacerbated (due to PgR upregulation)

 

[LVTitan]

you should like to reasonably disagree (thats what sparks debate and learning)


there are actually a lot of explanations for your response. however, if you just used a stronger AI you would not bloat either. (nolva can stop E related bloat- nandrolone does have E metabolites- though it can also cause E related bloat- this varies due to a lot of factors but mainly receptor isoforms and concentrations).

the issue with using nolva and nandrolone is that progestenic effects from nandrolone CAN be exacerbated (due to PgR upregulation)

maybe i got off lucky since i actually one of the lucky few who can take deca only without libido issues. nandrolones do not seem to negatively affect me, so maybe i dont really have to worry about progestenic effects that much ?