want to start 1st cycle, but way to many opinions, whose right?

[smoke67]

I too have a hard time with the weight. I am no guru by no means but I know what works for me. If you are looking for a good first I would try 300 Deca, 400 Test E, D bol the first 4 weeks. Run the Deca for 10 weeks and the test for 12. Hcg and clomid PCT. This was a good start for me with no sides. Good luck

 

[blut wump]

I'm 23 played college soccer great shape just could never put muscle on. At the gym 5X a week. Worked out and trained with top athletes and coaches. I eat now about 1.5 protein to lbs and @ 2000-2500 calories. Now im working out to put on muscle size and its slow but working just by eating rite and hitting the gym hard, I need help because i have a thin frame. The advice so far was to take Test E 500mg a wk for about 10-12 wks? Does that sound right? Thanks for your time.

I was just wondering whether you need them yet. You're not eating enough to grow. You could do with increasing your daily calories by another 1000-1500, maybe more.

You're going to have to do this, anyway, with or without aas, so start by changing your diet for a couple of months. Increase by 250-500 for a week and do the same again the next week and so on until you start growing. If you keep the food reasonably clean you shouldn't get fat but don't worry overly about keeping it clean. You have to eat to grow.

See how you're responding in another three months or so.

 

[Indy]

got too many opinions, so now you're asking for more opinions?

LOL, that's what I thought

 

[SlimJim300]

I'm 23 played college soccer great shape just could never put muscle on. At the gym 5X a week. Worked out and trained with top athletes and coaches. I eat now about 1.5 protein to lbs and @ 2000-2500 calories. Now im working out to put on muscle size and its slow but working just by eating rite and hitting the gym hard, I need help because i have a thin frame. The advice so far was to take Test E 500mg a wk for about 10-12 wks? Does that sound right? Thanks for your time.

If you want muscle you need to eat about twice that many calories.

 

[smoke67]

I agree with B W, you need to up the calories.

 

[Bruce]

2000 calories, your gonna lose weight eating that much, your not feeding your muscles enough for growth. 5000 cals and you plateau thats when you hop on gas, with that said run some test cyp or enanthate for 12 weeks with proper pct when you are ready

 

[bigtravis]

i agree 500mg/week of test is a good first start, but i always tell guys to try 500mg test/wk, 300mg deca/wk, and 25mg. d-bol/day for starts. that way they'll know on the first one what this classic combo. can do and after that they'll know already how their next triple should be done. like i always say. if you can't make gains from those three. then you won't with anything else. but also be sure to have all you need on hand, such as nolvadex, hcg, and clomid. for a good pct and for gyno if your prone to it.

 

[surferstar]

i agree 500mg/week of test is a good first start, but i always tell guys to try 500mg test/wk, 300mg deca/wk, and 25mg. d-bol/day for starts. that way they'll know on the first one what this classic combo. can do and after that they'll know already how their next triple should be done. like i always say. if you can't make gains from those three. then you won't with anything else. but also be sure to have all you need on hand, such as nolvadex, hcg, and clomid. for a good pct and for gyno if your prone to it.

How should I take the clomid?
after cycle 5 days 100 mg then 7 days at 50?
and should i take nolvadex at the same time or after?

 

[mrdeeznuts]

i agree 500mg/week of test is a good first start, but i always tell guys to try 500mg test/wk, 300mg deca/wk, and 25mg. d-bol/day for starts. that way they'll know on the first one what this classic combo. can do and after that they'll know already how their next triple should be done. like i always say. if you can't make gains from those three. then you won't with anything else. but also be sure to have all you need on hand, such as nolvadex, hcg, and clomid. for a good pct and for gyno if your prone to it.

waste of money for ur first time... stick with the test e and then second round try the classic trio..... also learn what u need to anit e´s, dieting, and training before u resort to aas other ur wasting ur time and won´t have ur gains in another 3 months

 

[bigtravis]

How should I take the clomid?
after cycle 5 days 100 mg then 7 days at 50?
and should i take nolvadex at the same time or after?

i'd run that cycle for 8-10 weeks and you should be o.k. to run the d-bol all the way through. wait 5-7 days after last shot to start your pct. hcg should be like so: inject every 5 days at 5000i.u./2500/2500/1500/1500; clomid like this: start the same time as hcg. first 2 weeks at 100/day then next 3 weeks at 50/day. nolva at 20-40/day.