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Sean Scott
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I love to hear all this outrage, as if this is the first war this has happened in and we are so wrong to be fighting it.
maybe you can drop your oprah mags long enough to read history which is mostly about war and how it shaped this planet. we now have tech that brings war to your living room. Did you really think it was john wayne charging up the hill and holding the viet childs hand like in the last scene in The Green Berets Please !!!!
War is horrible it brings about the worst and best of all of us. Are those vids right no, is it what war is... yes a small but real part of it. People die some die with no dignity either by choice or the enemys that is the game.
Go to your library, spend a little time reading what happened in past wars. This is no different only that now our laundry is out for all to see.
Take a deep breath, go back to your cubicle at work. All will be better Monday when you can see who the next loser on American Idol is. Leave the fighting to the soldiers.
I am also sure that if what the vids show is true then they will be punished.
maybe you can drop your oprah mags long enough to read history which is mostly about war and how it shaped this planet. we now have tech that brings war to your living room. Did you really think it was john wayne charging up the hill and holding the viet childs hand like in the last scene in The Green Berets Please !!!!
War is horrible it brings about the worst and best of all of us. Are those vids right no, is it what war is... yes a small but real part of it. People die some die with no dignity either by choice or the enemys that is the game.
Go to your library, spend a little time reading what happened in past wars. This is no different only that now our laundry is out for all to see.
Take a deep breath, go back to your cubicle at work. All will be better Monday when you can see who the next loser on American Idol is. Leave the fighting to the soldiers.
I am also sure that if what the vids show is true then they will be punished.
redsamurai
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blackhawk60 said:
If american boys are going to rape and kill little girls, throw puppies off a cliff etc. etc. etc..........I see no reason to cherish them. There's been plenty of ex soldiers here on this board who have over the years related stories about the frequency of such behaviors and the military's relative tolerance. Unless of course the soldiers get caught red handed.........than they get hung out to dry.
I saw all I needed to see. Really I did. I am really really really comfortable with making sweeping generalizations about that guy based off what I saw in that video. Not just the act itself, but the body language etc.. Since you don't know me you couldn't possibly know that I'm like a jedi fucking master and see things on levels that most of you don't. Maybe it's because I just pay more attention, I dunno. But I'm almost always right.
I can't speak from experience on that one. Anyone I've ever snapped at had it long time coming since I"ve got this total yoda like fuse that if it goes, it really goes.....but it takes a long ass time to boil down. I've never taken my shitty life out on anyone else..........please beleive. I detest people that do.
we can debate the intrinsic value of life between the girl and the puppy.....but that's a debate that will go nowhere. What I saw in the video was an indifference towards innocent life that will one day manifest itself towards a human he feels "indifferent" about. The puppy was just practice. The killing that he's been ordered to do has empowered him to a point. But now he wants more........he wants to kill because "he deems it!!". He see's himself as somewhat of a deity right now. Not actually god mind you.......but something higher than the rest of us.
It's vexing to me that this is the second time tonight that I"ve had to point out the fallacy of this argument........I am so terribly vexed. Do you not understand the difference between killing out of sustenance, which is nature..we can't get around it........and killing out of pleasure? Did he eat that puppy? Did he kill it out of some "necessity"? I just saw someone who has an inate lack of respect for a creature that did nothing to him. He ended the life of that creature for really no reason whatsoever.........just passing the time.
I've struggled myself with the question of "could I eat meat if I had to kill the animal?". I honestly don't know. I guess if it came down to a matter of survival........sure. But I would like to think that I would never lose my inate respect for life and not step outside the bounds of nature. The native americans said a short prayer over every animal they killed......thanking it for providing them with sustinance.
nimbus
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redsam,
killing for pleasure and killing for sustinence still results in a dead animal. The differences are that you can't relate to killing for pleasure (neither can i), but you can to killing for sustinence; and people who kill for pleasure are a threat to you and your loved ones, but people who kill for sustinence generally are not.
Know that you do not have to eat animals to survive. You just value the taste, convenience, and anabolism of animal meat more than the animal's life. Not so noble. Also dude, how would you feel about a person who loves human flesh so much he kills people and eats them. He's just doing it for sustinence, right? he'll even say grace before he eats them
killing for pleasure and killing for sustinence still results in a dead animal. The differences are that you can't relate to killing for pleasure (neither can i), but you can to killing for sustinence; and people who kill for pleasure are a threat to you and your loved ones, but people who kill for sustinence generally are not.
Know that you do not have to eat animals to survive. You just value the taste, convenience, and anabolism of animal meat more than the animal's life. Not so noble. Also dude, how would you feel about a person who loves human flesh so much he kills people and eats them. He's just doing it for sustinence, right? he'll even say grace before he eats them
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xxsuprman22xx
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im so full of rage right now.... a fuckin puppy!
not one thing anyone says can ever justify what i just watched and if you
try to justify it, then your a sorry excuse for a human being - nuff said
not one thing anyone says can ever justify what i just watched and if you
try to justify it, then your a sorry excuse for a human being - nuff said
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Spartacus
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russian mine dogs
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The simplicity of the dog mine must have been appealing concept in 1942 when the Russian army was still hard pressed fighting to keep the German invaders in check. The basic idea was that the dog carried on it's back a wooden box or packets containing explosives strapped on with a harness. The dogs were then trained to run underneath enemy tanks and in doing so they would tip back a vertical wooden lever on their backs, which would detonate the explosives, much to the surprise of the German tank crews and the dogs.
This however, was one simple idea that did not work terribly effectively in combat. As the dogs were trained by placing food under Soviet tanks they would run to the familiar smells and sounds of any Soviet tanks in battle rather than the strange smells and sounds of the German tanks, and with hindsight, one would also expect that in battle a dog would run anywhere but towards a moving tank firing overhead, and in doing so become a menace to everyone else on the battlefield.
The German army quickly learned of the Soviet hundminen and so spread throughout the ranks information that all Russian dogs likely to be encountered were probably rabid and so should be shot on sight. As a result all dogs virtually disappeared from the Eastern Front in the ensuing few days, making the use of dog mines all the less feasible.
Dog mines did have some success, but once their dangerous drawbacks were realised they were not used after 1942. Some reports on the Soviet Army after 1945 still contained references to dog mines however, and there were also reports of dog mines as having been used by the Viet Minh (fighting in Indo-China) in the late 1940s.
This however, was one simple idea that did not work terribly effectively in combat. As the dogs were trained by placing food under Soviet tanks they would run to the familiar smells and sounds of any Soviet tanks in battle rather than the strange smells and sounds of the German tanks, and with hindsight, one would also expect that in battle a dog would run anywhere but towards a moving tank firing overhead, and in doing so become a menace to everyone else on the battlefield.
The German army quickly learned of the Soviet hundminen and so spread throughout the ranks information that all Russian dogs likely to be encountered were probably rabid and so should be shot on sight. As a result all dogs virtually disappeared from the Eastern Front in the ensuing few days, making the use of dog mines all the less feasible.
Dog mines did have some success, but once their dangerous drawbacks were realised they were not used after 1942. Some reports on the Soviet Army after 1945 still contained references to dog mines however, and there were also reports of dog mines as having been used by the Viet Minh (fighting in Indo-China) in the late 1940s.
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redsamurai said:STFU
^^^ You are spreading hate, not love in this instance.
Do you need a hug?
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