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Ok guys as some of you know i have a strongman comp coming up sat. Slight problem at the moment however. I have seemed to have either pulled my calf or sprained it, what ever you want to call it but it's pretty ****ed up like my other one was a month ago. It's getting better each day but at the rate its recovering im not gonna be 100% by sat. So my plan of action right now is to take some vicodin to kill the pain enough so i can't feel it and can compete like i did not have the injury. I'm gonna tape it up real good but i don't think this is gonna cut it.

Questions is, will the vicodin adversely affect my strength performance? I'm also gonna be taking albuterol, ephedrine and caffiene pre comp. I know that the drugs are just going to mask the problem but thats not my concern as i already know that, i've been busting my ass for this comp and im doing it full stop no matter what, if i **** my leg up bad then so be it but thats the way it's gonna be. Any help appreciated guys.
 
That's a delicate mix with albuterol and ephedrine and caffeine.

Vicodin at a high enough dosage to mask that kind of pain could absolutely screw up your strength. Not to mention your balance. I have to take 20mgs of hydrocodone for tooth extractions or back pain. But that dose leaves me buzzed pretty nice. For a calf tear I probably would need more. I can't see being able to function on a higher dose. For some people 10mgs leaves them passed out.

All four together could actually enhance the high quite a bit. I'm not sure about this being good. A normal dose and you might be fine, but it probably won't cover the pain.

I would do ice baths on that leg twice per day for 10-15 minutes each until this weekend.

Definitely go with the ibuprofen at 800mgs every 4-6 hours and see if you can cut some of the pain/inflammation cycle.

Then your other choice if you can get it would be a kenlog shot in that area or lidocaine. For sure there is no doctor that will give you a lidocaine shot there, but if you can find other means....

Whatever you can do to mask the pain, but be alert is gonna be your best bet.

b_light said:
Ok guys as some of you know i have a strongman comp coming up sat. Slight problem at the moment however. I have seemed to have either pulled my calf or sprained it, what ever you want to call it but it's pretty ****ed up like my other one was a month ago. It's getting better each day but at the rate its recovering im not gonna be 100% by sat. So my plan of action right now is to take some vicodin to kill the pain enough so i can't feel it and can compete like i did not have the injury. I'm gonna tape it up real good but i don't think this is gonna cut it.

Questions is, will the vicodin adversely affect my strength performance? I'm also gonna be taking albuterol, ephedrine and caffiene pre comp. I know that the drugs are just going to mask the problem but thats not my concern as i already know that, i've been busting my ass for this comp and im doing it full stop no matter what, if i **** my leg up bad then so be it but thats the way it's gonna be. Any help appreciated guys.
 
You will be fine with a little vicodin before the comp... I think the Ibuprofen is a great idea for the swelling and inflamation. Use it all the way up to the comp at 800mg doses twice or three times a day. Just take 4 regular advil to get 800mg's. I take a lortab before every workout and an eca stack and I have great workouts. Just be sure to take the vicodin about one hour before your first lift in the competition. I would take 2 even if they are 10mgs. Good luck and let us know how you place. I currently hold the (state that Im in) teen bench press record and it has stood for 16 years. I pressed 405 at 17 years old and a 175lb body weight.. Good Luck..
 
vicodin, along with ultram, will interfere with muscular contractions. as far as short or one time use, i can't for sure say. but as i was a heavy user, i undoubtedly noticed the affects.....
 
vicodin is going to inhibit your preformace about 15% i have noticed in my experiences

a lot of rec drug talk latley hmm
 
holy ghost said:
vicodin is going to inhibit your preformace about 15% i have noticed in my experiences

a lot of rec drug talk latley hmm
vicodin really isnt a rec drug is its prescribed bro. It has a pourpous, and if its tooken by the dose recommended, its fine and not rec.
 
Well i took 500mg paracemtol and 800mg ibuprofen and it helped quite a bit for right now but not enough for me to be pushing 100% on the leg. Last night i took a 7.5mg vic and it killed the pain pretty well and i only had a slight buzz for like 10 mins so i think i'll take it 1-2 hrs prior to the comp along with 800mg ibu to keep inflammation down. And i take the albuterol e and c 1 hr prior as this is the best timing.
 
You will be fine.. Hey ghost your the homey you know that but nobody is talking about rec drugs.. These are all prescribed..
 
there script but not my script. If i went to the doc i could probably get some but dont have time and they are available right now and im not looking to abuse them or get high.
 
omega529 said:
vicodin really isnt a rec drug is its prescribed bro. It has a pourpous, and if its tooken by the dose recommended, its fine and not rec.

Sorry bro BUT like it or not Vicodin IS and has been a rec drug for a long time.
Yea I agree with you to a point but vic's have a street value. :p

P.S. Do you have any?

LOL!
 
b_light said:
Ok guys as some of you know i have a strongman comp coming up sat. Slight problem at the moment however. I have seemed to have either pulled my calf or sprained it, what ever you want to call it but it's pretty ****ed up like my other one was a month ago. It's getting better each day but at the rate its recovering im not gonna be 100% by sat. So my plan of action right now is to take some vicodin to kill the pain enough so i can't feel it and can compete like i did not have the injury. I'm gonna tape it up real good but i don't think this is gonna cut it.

Questions is, will the vicodin adversely affect my strength performance? I'm also gonna be taking albuterol, ephedrine and caffiene pre comp. I know that the drugs are just going to mask the problem but thats not my concern as i already know that, i've been busting my ass for this comp and im doing it full stop no matter what, if i **** my leg up bad then so be it but thats the way it's gonna be. Any help appreciated guys.

Have you tried masking the pain with any non-narcotics? Maybe make an 80% effort simulation of your event while on vicodin, then analyze the effect on performance.

N*bain may be the painkiller of choice in this instance. I've never taken it, but apparently some athletes use it not only to block pains of injuries, but increase performance with it's painkilling effect. Mark Kerr, the former wrestling and mixed martial arts standout claimed to make heavy use of it during his competion heyday. He would fight while on it. It has hooks though, it is hyped as a h*roin gateway drug.
 
holy ghost said:
vicodin is going to inhibit your preformace about 15% i have noticed in my experiences

a lot of rec drug talk latley hmm


I would agee with Holy Ghost on this one...
I have tried to trian on a low dose of vicodin durning some lower back hell and I did not feel stoned but the preformace was down for sure. Hang over drag feeling when hitting the heavy sets.

As far as the leg some of the other posts sound good but a sports doctor friend of mine sez that "when its a muscle injury Ice the first 24 to 48 hours on and off NO MORE THAN 15min at a time and heat there after." Don keep a muscle wrapped either BAD stop flow of blood and repair. OK when you lift but off when you rest. Masage, rest, heat, easy movement,(baby it) for the next few days.

Remember your calf muscle in the 2nd most dense muscle in the body, heart is first. So when that bastard gets hurt it takes a little longer to mend.
Give time young grasshopper it will pass.

If you compete then use you mind to overcome the injury!

Good luck bro!

Squat to ya teabag the floor!
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Have you tried masking the pain with any non-narcotics? Maybe make an 80% effort simulation of your event while on vicodin, then analyze the effect on performance.

N*bain may be the painkiller of choice in this instance. I've never taken it, but apparently some athletes use it not only to block pains of injuries, but increase performance with it's painkilling effect. Mark Kerr, the former wrestling and mixed martial arts standout claimed to make heavy use of it during his competion heyday. He would fight while on it. It has hooks though, it is hyped as a h*roin gateway drug.

I did not even think of Nubain.. You hit it the nail on the head.. It would be ideal in my opinion for a competition. Shoot it sub q and your all set...
 
do you have access to 2% lido w/o epi? Vicodin will bring you down.
 
Vicodin always gave me tons of energy. Some people, it puts to sleep. Others, it energizes. It just depends on your chemistry. I used to take nubain before I worked out, and it was not only an excellent pain killer, but it gave me an unbelievable amount of energy. That shit is very addicting though.
 
I think ghost was getting at that the big labs that get busted have a lot of rec drugs being made too and that is a problem. That is what generally gets LE on you. Look at all the UG labs getting busted lately. what else have they found. GHB, X and others.

i see what your gettin at HG
 
b_light said:
is nubian controlled?

The Bain Train
By Rick Collins, J.D.

Q: I saw a recent HBO documentary about an extreme fighter hooked on Nubain. Is Nubain a controlled substance?

A: Nalbuphine (pronounced "NAL-byou-feen") hydrochloride, commonly called by the brand name Nubain® or simply "Bain," is an injectable synthetic prescription drug common among some bodybuilders who use it for its reported ability to take the edge off dieting, to improve fat burning by increasing T-3 uptake, and mostly as a mild analgesic to alleviate the various pains associated with heavy training. It provides a "functional high" and a slight numbing effect that doesn't interfere with ordinary activities, including lifting. Doesn't sound too shabby, huh? Well, read on before drawing any conclusions.

Once upon a time, nalbuphine was a controlled substance. Like most other opiates, it fell within Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. § 812) as a drug deemed to have a high potential for abuse that may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence. But in 1973, a pharmaceutical company looking to make money marketing the drug made a pitch claiming that nalbuphine did not have sufficient potential for abuse to justify its continued control. They made an appealing case. Like morphine, nalbuphine is a painkiller that exerts agonistic or stimulating effects on the body's opiate receptors. But unlike morphine, nalbuphine is also an antagonist or blocker to certain opiate receptors. The result of this mixed agonist/antagonist character is a built-in "ceiling" or safety net that provides a mild analgesic effect without the euphoria or potential for deadly overdose associated with morphine and other opiates. This self-inhibiting and non-toxic character makes nalbuphine significantly less attractive to typical drug addicts. Accordingly, nalbuphine can be argued to be much less addictive than other opiates. Well, the FDA bought the argument. They recommended to the DEA that nalbuphine be removed entirely from the schedules of controlled substances, conveniently paving the way for the drug company's profits. The DEA obliged, and to this day nalbuphine remains specifically excluded from the list (see 21 C.F.R. § 1308.12). The DEA just doesn't view it as a drug of abuse.

But anecdotal accounts say otherwise. While extreme fighter Mark Kerr in the HBO report appeared to be additionally using various other opiates, reports of psychological addiction to nalbuphine abound. A few elite level bodybuilders have publicly described their experiences with nalbuphine dependency. Online bodybuilding forums regularly detail various nalbuphine abuse stories. State law enforcement authorities have begun to take interest in physicians who facilitate non-medical nalbuphine users, and one physician was recently convicted for prescribing nalbuphine for other than legitimate and therapeutic purposes (see, State v. Clausing, 15 P.3d 203 (2001).) While controversy continues over the nature and intensity of nalbuphine addiction, there's no doubt that a certain percentage of users get a little too used to the pain relief and mellowing that nalbuphine provides. As a user's tolerance increases, dosages can edge up, intravenous injections can become preferable to intramuscular ones, and shooting up throughout the day can become a routine and vital part of life.

However you might feel about the ethics of administering steroids as a tool for muscle building, nalbuphine use may be quite different. Some bodybuilders are going beyond treating pain and may be simply using nalbuphine as a recreational drug. Still, the DEA seems happy to look the other way. Instead, they're busy helping anti-doping special interest groups to goad Congress into viewing over-the-counter sports supplements like androstenedione as drugs of abuse. Legislation to criminalize prohormones is already pending in Washington, and if it passes, mature health-conscious adults will be prosecuted as federal drug criminals for having these products for personal use USFA.biz for further information). Interesting governmental priorities, indeed.

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Rick Collins, J.D., a veteran lawyer and former competitive bodybuilder, is the author of the controversial new book LEGAL MUSCLE: Anabolics in America, available through this site. [© Rick Collins, 2003. All rights reserved. For informational purposes only, not to be construed as legal advice.]

http://www.steroid.com/nubain.php



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easy on vics remember everyone is 500mg of aceteminophen ie tylenol... and that stuff isn't ANY good for your liver!!
 
Contact rick collins if you are ever busted for anabolic androgenic steroids

you should make that a sticky samoth

with his telephone and office addy

hes out in NY i think, LEGAL muscle is a good book too

ps yes that is what happend to ttokyos friends

dpharm didnt neither did ap

ps make sure you guys do not accept any orders from dph4rM

and i would also stay clear of a77gear
 
I hate vicodin. I had to take it after surgery and it killed my appetite, made me feel tired and lazy, and just threw me off in general physically. I wouldn't take it, go with ibuprofin or something. Once you get going during the comp you probably won't notice it as much because you'll be so hyped.
 
holy ghost said:
Contact rick collins if you are ever busted for anabolic androgenic steroids

.....

ps make sure you guys do not accept any orders from dph4rM

and i would also stay clear of a77gear


why?
 
if you can get vicoprofen it would be much better.like ghost said vicodin(which you didnt specify which strenghth) will hinder strength and performance by at least 15%.also can cause extreme sweating during physical activity and dehydration
 
Yeah i think i decided against the vic. (7.5mg hydrocodone) and go with 800mg ibuprofen and 500mg tylenol before the show, should take the inflammation and most pain away and i'll stick with the vics before i go to bed or during the day.
 
lots of painkiller talk guys, you guys are going to make me relapse :evil: :evil: :evil: :p :p :p

not really but.... vicodins are weak as fuck compared to most painkillers , morphine,oxycodone(oxycontin),fentanyl,percocet which is oxycodone anyway, you get the point. Its like the joke of the town, just watch the APAP like papa lion mentioned. If you MUST take these regularly please save your liver by doing a CWE *cold water extraction* google it. When I am in pain and in need of prescription medicine I request the ones(oxycodone) without tylenol *APAP* about 1/8th the size of a normal pill with no tylenol really makes you see how much garbage is in it.

To think, people actually snort that shit full of tylenol.... LOL :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:
 
Liquid2006 said:
lots of painkiller talk guys, you guys are going to make me relapse :evil: :evil: :evil: :p :p :p

not really but.... vicodins are weak as fuck compared to most painkillers , morphine,oxycodone(oxycontin),fentanyl,percocet which is oxycodone anyway, you get the point. Its like the joke of the town, just watch the APAP like papa lion mentioned. If you MUST take these regularly please save your liver by doing a CWE *cold water extraction* google it. When I am in pain and in need of prescription medicine I request the ones(oxycodone) without tylenol *APAP* about 1/8th the size of a normal pill with no tylenol really makes you see how much garbage is in it.

To think, people actually snort that shit full of tylenol.... LOL :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:

I agree regarding the acetaminophen at high doses especially with older ladies and gents. pharms are doing therapeutic substitutions or equivalent dosages now when physician orders 5/500 norco/vicoden to a 5/325.
 
I take lortabs 10/500 for neck pain (car accident) and severe migraines. For the most part, it doesn't interfere with my work outs, I usually take 1 or 2 a day and sometimes not even that. Recently, I have found that Tramadol (generic Ultram) works just as good or prolongs the effects of hydro for 6 hours plus. It's cheap, easily accessible through the internet through online prescription and works wonders. It doesn't have any APAP (tylenol) so it's not hard on your liver. You don't get a buzz from tram (if taken properly under 400mgs a day (they come in 50mgs, usually only take 1 or 2 a day) and are pretty safe. Generic Tramadol doesn't have APAP(tylenol), btw, where Ultram does.

It's a slow onset drug, 2 hours and peaks for 6. It's more efficient than anything you can buy at the store and is great on light to moderate pain. And if you're addicted to hydro or other opiates are trying to come off from them and don't want the w/ds, you can take tram for it and you won't get them.

Tram works on the U-opiod receptor and the M-opiod receptor but without the eurphoric effect that is seen in more heavy duty pain killers. I find no problem working out on 1 or 2 of these and I'm much clear headed , as I find these sometimes are just better than the narcotics. just my .02..
 
lanky said:
I agree regarding the acetaminophen at high doses especially with older ladies and gents. pharms are doing therapeutic substitutions or equivalent dosages now when physician orders 5/500 norco/vicoden to a 5/325.


Vicoden is the 5/500 and norcoe is the 5/325
 
errn247 said:
Vicoden is the 5/500 and norcoe is the 5/325

lortab/hydro/norco comes in 10/500 or 10/325.

most regular vicodins are 5/500.

extra strength are the 7.5s or the 10's.

Watsons/Norcos and a few other generics are just the manufacturers.
 
sparetire said:
lortab/hydro/norco comes in 10/500 or 10/325.

most regular vicodins are 5/500.

extra strength are the 7.5s or the 10's.

Watsons/Norcos and a few other generics are just the manufacturers.
all the above come in 10 7.5 as well as 5.the vic es have more aceta.
 
all of these drugs are potent opioids and at the end of the day hydrocodone, oxycodone, meperdine, hydromorphone, morphine, fentanyl, oxymorphone etc...will have the same effect, if you become addicted, you are FUCKED. some have longer durations, some shorter, some cause less nausea, some have more euphoria and kick but they share one thing in common, they all bind to the opiate receptors in the brain. there are many alternatives to potent opioids. talwin or darvon coupled with an anti inflammatory is usually an effective route for pain relief. talwin is the brand name for pentazocine and each tab is equalivant to about 60 mg of codiene. darvon is the brand name for propoxyphene and it is very effective for sport type injuries especialy when coupled with an nsaid. btw bunch of rank fuckin amatuers up in here with lots of misinformation and blah blah blah " lortab aint shit" when you dont know what your talking about,keep your mouth shut. :evil:
 
layinback said:
all of these drugs are potent opioids and at the end of the day hydrocodone, oxycodone, meperdine, hydromorphone, morphine, fentanyl, oxymorphone etc...will have the same effect, if you become addicted, you are FUCKED. some have longer durations, some shorter, some cause less nausea, some have more euphoria and kick but they share one thing in common, they all bind to the opiate receptors in the brain. there are many alternatives to potent opioids. talwin or darvon coupled with an anti inflammatory is usually an effective route for pain relief. talwin is the brand name for pentazocine and each tab is equalivant to about 60 mg of codiene. darvon is the brand name for propoxyphene and it is very effective for sport type injuries especialy when coupled with an nsaid. btw bunch of rank fuckin amatuers up in here with lots of misinformation and blah blah blah " lortab aint shit" when you dont know what your talking about,keep your mouth shut. :evil:


I agree. Some of these guys have said straight up that they take 2 10mg vicos and work out.. To me, that's crazy. When I have been in a lot of pain and had to take something, I'd break one in half cuz it does mess with your work out. I, sometimes get very energized on it as well, but I know it's not as bad as downing a bunch of them- that equals addiction. There are a lot of bbrs who are in constant pain and require such medications, but, some people make that sacrifice of pain to look good and juice.

As far as Tram goes, yes (to the above poster) I know it's addicting in high dosages, but taken as directed, it's not and the chance for abuse is very low. Like I said, if I take tram, it's 1-3 tablets throughout the day , every 6 hours as needed for pain. The good side to tram is that the euphoric effects aren't there, it's great for pain and easy on the liver, plus, it actually raises your seratonin levels - so it's in essence a light weight anti-depressant without the ssri side effects that are found in almost all anti-ds.

Darvon and talwin, if I'm not mistaken, are derrivatives of opiods. My wife was prescribed darvon for post surgery once and had some extras. I took one for a migraine and I was pretty buzzed for a while.

You might want to look into Fioricit Generic for moderate pain as well. It's non narcotic, although it does have a bubartrite in it, it doesn't really give a person the high and it comes with 40mgs bubart, 50mgs of caffeine, 50mgs of asprin or Tylenol at 325. I used to get the fioricit with codeine for migraines along time ago, but quit using them because they were so expensive.

I guess all in all, taking any suppliments like mentioned in the above posts can effect your workout negatively. And almost everything either effects it good or bad, but one thing that I have noticed is how much recreational drug use most bodybuilders do. It seems almost hypocritcal for those who preach, "I live a healthy lifestyle, eat right.." but behind the scenes, their smoking the weed, drinking or popping pills. I think, with everything , using steroids, etc, comes a balance and we all need to find that balance in order to fully live a healthy lifestyle without hurting ourselves in the process :)
 
The cold water extraction that was mentioned is very easy and will help your liver greatly by taking out aspirin or acetamenopen. You can even take certain things to make hydrocodone more potent if u wish to lower the amount you are taking. Also withdrawal of hydrocodone is not that bad compared to morphine or percocet.
 
Lol.. It may have been on another forum but someone was asking a similar question about vicodin just recently. Did you do good on the competition??
 
fleabag711 said:
The cold water extraction that was mentioned is very easy and will help your liver greatly by taking out aspirin or acetamenopen. You can even take certain things to make hydrocodone more potent if u wish to lower the amount you are taking. Also withdrawal of hydrocodone is not that bad compared to morphine or percocet.


how do u make the hydrocodone more potent? that would be kick ass. thanks
 
b_light said:
bro i already competed, lol. thanks anyway tho.

How did things go?
 
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