US prison population hits 2 million.

[atlantabiolab]

Re: Re: Re: Re: My guess....

Oh, okay, dad. I forgot that morality is a set of universal, essentialist principles that, however much they are perverted from culture to culture and epoch to epoch, can always be articulated in their purity by you and are, as Pirandello said of absurdity, true simply because they ARE.

You never forgot, you just don't want to accept it. It is much easier to believe the relativistic idea that reason is impotent to understand the world, and therefore morality is not real, but simply a personal term. Your insinuation that simply because man has failed to express morality, proves its non-existence, is no different than saying that because man has failed so many times in his endeavors in science, that science must not be real. But being a non-scientist, one who studies a field in which anyone can wish into being "illnesses", with no definable criteria, fits one who believes that the world is what you believe it to be.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My guess....

You never forgot, you just don't want to accept it. It is much easier to believe the relativistic idea that reason is impotent to understand the world, and therefore morality is not real, but simply a personal term. Your insinuation that simply because man has failed to express morality, proves its non-existence, is no different than saying that because man has failed so many times in his endeavors in science, that science must not be real. But being a non-scientist, one who studies a field in which anyone can wish into being "illnesses", with no definable criteria, fits one who believes that the world is what you believe it to be.

By saying theat man has failed to express morality, you're implying that he is capable of expressing (or maybe defining would be a better word) morality.

Makes the sciene analogy less appropriate, doesn't it?

By the way I have a PhD in Parapsychology? is that a real science?

 

[musclebrains]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My guess....

You never forgot, you just don't want to accept it. It is much easier to believe the relativistic idea that reason is impotent to understand the world, and therefore morality is not real, but simply a personal term. Your insinuation that simply because man has failed to express morality, proves its non-existence, is no different than saying that because man has failed so many times in his endeavors in science, that science must not be real. But being a non-scientist, one who studies a field in which anyone can wish into being "illnesses", with no definable criteria, fits one who believes that the world is what you believe it to be.

I'm just teasing you a bit, Bio. I enjoy your posts, even though they invariably deteriorate into ad hominem rhetoric, like this one. It's inevitable, apparently, because your very philosophy requires that anyone who disagrees with you is a fool.

Your opinions do depend on certain assumptions which are not provable. It is very easy to live by a philosophy that divides things into clear dualities and then, when those dualities break down, blame it on a perceptual or non-scientific perspective. I'm sure I dont' need to educate you in quantum mechanics or refer you back to Kuhn's debunking of the notion of scientific revolution and the idea that science inherently deals in truth. Or I might refer you to Merleau-Ponty's analysis of Saussure's scientific study of linguistics that, whatever you think of phenomenology, pointedly questions the relation between the formal STRUCTURE of language and its EXPRESSION.

At the same time, I'll remind you that it doesn't take a scientific mind to be reductive to essentialist precepts. Religion was doing that long before science and, indeed, if you've read much history and philosophy of science you come to appreciate how the displacement of scientific "truth" by a new "truth" usually replicates religious structure rather than adhering to a (fictional) neutrality. Science too is a myth.

I don't trust poetry or the religious imagination more than science but I do appreciate the Greeks who were able to at once conceptualize a heliocentric cosmos and see Apollo driving his chariot across the sky. The poetic and the scientific, as Einstein himself observed, have something of value to tell one another. In one case we live received fact and in the other we acknowledge our lived experience, but neither, as Kuhn demonstrated, is reliably and permanently "true." The edge is in the intersubjectivity. Which will never make it to talk radio.

 

[Warik]

I tried to explain this to you in my plast post but I guess I wasn't clear. Driving with a BAC above .08 is NOT A CRIME in Florida. In some states it is. This is not one of them.

I was charged with "driving under the influence". The Breathalyzer test is one of 5 tests I was given to determine intoxication. Some of them I failed, some I passed. The police report, videotapes and other evidence will be compiled in order for a jury to determine if I was in fact under the influence.

One more time: driving with a .08 BAC is not a CRIME in Florida. Red herring that.

Impressive circular logic.

I suppose that's why I got off last year. I was charged with "murder," NOT shooting someone in the head point blank with a shotgun.

Anyway,

http://www.dui.com/duieducation/LegalDefinition.html

A guy named Roger Coleman was executed in Virginia in 1992. The state of Virginia will not relesae DNA evidence for additional testing. This is likely an example of the "wrong guy" being put to death. There are dozens of inconsistencies and Coleman had a solid alibi (he was at work, his presence was verified by many witnesses).

Oooh... impressive REVERSE logic here. My question was if an innocent person has ever been put to death. You claim that you're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, constitution, blah blah blah. Wasn't this guy proven guilty in a court of law? So the death penalty is flawed because someone MIGHT be innocent and he is a LIKELY example? Sorry, that does not answer my question.

Can you cite someone who has been PROVEN to have been put to death unjustly?

Police don't stop crime. If they did, crime would decline acorss the board. But it never drops and stays low. The police presence or absence in any neighborhood IS IRRELEVANT to the amount of crime.

Hence the reason they are (as I said in another thread) a misappropriation of tax dollars. Mass-armament of the populace is a far more effective way to reduce crime IMO.

I think we are talking past each other. I never contested that poor people commit more crimes.

Uh, wasn't that the whole point of the argument? You: "police prey on the poor and leave the rich alone. boohoo" Me: "police hang around poor neighborhoods because they commit more crimes than the rich." You: "no. it's because <this>" Me: "no. it's because <this>"

What are we arguing about again?

-Warik

 

[KAYNE]

Kayne, you're becoming more and more like Puc every day.

Another bitter, jealous person.

There are people that are simply smarter than you.

I am one of those people.

Sorry to break it to you.

Now run along....back to finance or whatever degree you are doing.

I'm not wasting my time trying to talk to a person who always types in caps and claims to be secure.

LOL

Fonz

YOU PROVE MY POINT (OF YOU THINKING YOUR ARE GOD) WITH ALMOST EVERY POST. YOU ARE A MORON.....ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE.

YOU DONT GET IT DO YOU. ITS NOT ABOUT BEING SMARTER. I'M SURE YOU KNOW MORE THINGS THAN ME IN CERTAIN SUBJECTS AS I'M SURE I KNOW MORE THAN YOU IN CERTAIN SUBJECTS. YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. ITS ABOUT YOU THINKING YOU ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE. YOU THINK YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO OTHERS.

AS TO YOUR PUC COMMENT.....I DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT. THE DAY I'M JEALOUS OF YOU IS THE DAY I BLOW MY BRAINS OUT. I WOULDNT BE YOU IF I HAD TO BE.

YOU SOUND LIKE A LITTLE BITCH. "KAYNE, I'M SMARTER THAN YOU". WHAT A LITTLE GIRL YOU ARE. HOW SOPHOMORIC IS THAT? YOU SIT BY YOUR COMPUTER WITH YOUR BOOKS AND YOUR SEARCH ENGINE MINIMIZED IN ANOTHER WINDOW SO YOU CAN MAKE YOURSELF SEEM SMART BY SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS. ANYONE CAN DO THAT. BIG FUCKING DEAL SPARKY.

AS FAR AS SECURITY GOES, YOURE THE ONE WHO IS SAYING "WAH WAH I'M SMARTER THAN YOU KAYNE WAH WAH" LIKE BABY. HOW MUCH SECURITY IS THAT.

ALL THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE COULDNT SAVE YOU AGAINST SOMEONE LIKE ME IF YOU ACTED THAT WAY IN PERSON. PRICK.



KAYNE

 

[Fonz]

Please add the fact I am a FAR BETTER athlete than you are.

Next.

Fonz

 

[KAYNE]

Please add the fact I am a FAR BETTER athlete than you are.

Next.

Fonz

LMFAO!!!......ON WHAT DO YOU BASE THIS CONSIDERING YOU HAVE NVR MET NOR HAVE YOU SEEN ME!!!

YOU ARE REALLY SOUNDING LIKE A LITTLE BITCH NOW GIRL. I WAS READING ABOUT SOME OF THE JUICE YOU HAVE DONE AND ALL YOUR DIETING A WHILE BACK. SHIT MAN, YOU SHOULD BE FUCKING ARNOLD BY NOW. I HAVE NVR DIETED A DAY IN MY LIFE, NOR DO I WORK ABS, NOR DO I EAT ENOUGH, NOR DO I SLEEP ENOUGH AND I'M IN AS GOOD OF SHAPE AS YOU ARE. I HATE TO SEE IF I EVER GOT SERIOUS WITH THIS SHIT.

OH, AND BTW....YOUVE PROBABLY DONE 20 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF JUICE I HAVE. I HAVE DONE JUICE THREE TIMES IN LOW DOSAGES. YOUR LIVER IS FUCKING WORKING OVERTIME WITH ALL THE SHIT YOU DO.

SO I ASK AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR COMMENT ON? WELL, I'M GUESSING YOU ARE BASING IT ON YOUR POMPOUS ATTITUDE THAT YOU ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE. MORON.



KAYNE

 

[Baoh]

Yes, i made a spelling mistake.......1 AM.

I don't use spell check.

Fonz

Whatever you say. lol

 

[Baoh]

Please add the fact I am a FAR BETTER athlete than you are.

Next.

Fonz

What kind of athlete are you?

 

[KAYNE]

Yes, i made a spelling mistake.......1 AM.

I don't use spell check.

Fonz

THAT WASNT A TYPO........THAT WAS A COMPLETE FUCK UP. THAT ISNT EVEN A FUCKING WORD. YOU JUST DECIDED TO ADD TWO WORDS TOGETHER WITH A HYPHEN AND MAKE IT YOUR OWN. YET YOU ARE SOOOOOOO SMART ARENT YOU.