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Only the United States stood behind Israel tonight in the face of international condemnation of the reprisal air raid on Syria that plunged the Mideast into deeper turmoil.

President George Bush reiterated that Israel has the right to defend itself but urged restraint.

The air attack, on a terror training camp said Israel, led Syria to demand UN Security Council condemnation of Israel – a move Washington is likely to veto.

The US will only accept such a motion if it is linked to condemnation of attacks on Israel.
Britain described the Sunday air raid as “unacceptable.”

The Israeli air raid was in retaliation for a suicide bombing carried out by the Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad on Saturday.

The bombing, at a Haifa restaurant, killed 19 people, including children, and the woman bomber.

President Bush refused to criticise Israel today and said it “has got a right to defend herself.”

But he also said he had cautioned Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to try to avoid escalating tensions in the region.

Bush decried the “needless murder” of 19 people in the suicide attack and said that the Palestinian Authority must do more to fight terror and “must use whatever means is necessary. All parties must assume responsibility.”

Bush said that he had spoken to Sharon: “I made it very clear to the prime minister that Israel’s got a right to defend herself, that Israel must not feel constrained in terms of defence of the homeland,” he said.

However, Bush added, “I said that it’s very important all action should avoid escalation creating higher tensions.”

New Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia said today he hopes to negotiate a quick truce with Israel, but said he will not use force against militants.

In setting policy, “I will not listen to the Americans, I will listen to our national rights,” Qureia said in the West Bank, just hours after being installed as the head of an eight member emergency Cabinet by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

“We will not confront, we will not go for a civil war,” he said. “It’s not in our interest. It’s not in the interest of our people, and it’s not in the interest of the peace process.”

China and Russia joined in the condemnation of Israel but significantly the Kremlin said a UN resolution must also call for an end to attacks against Israel.

Arab officials warned that the Israeli attack threatened to plunge the already turbulent Middle East region into further turmoil with unforeseen consequences.

Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates on Monday joined the official Arab chorus of condemnation against Israel’s attack.

“This aggression is a provocative act that takes a chance with the peace process in the region and threatens regional and international security and peace. It is a serious escalation,” said a Saudi official.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said the attack was an ”aggression on a close country,” while Jordanian Foreign Minister Marwan Muasher warned that Israel’s strike could ”drag the whole region into a circle of violence.”

At the scene of the air raid 15 miles from the Syrian capital Damascus, locals today said the camp was known to be run by Palestinian militants in the past but has been empty for years.

An official of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command they abandoned the camp seven years ago. He refused to give a reason.

A PFLP-GC leader earlier said a civilian guard was injured in the attack.

At the heavily damaged camp, in the ravine of Ein Saheb, workers were clearing the rubble from what appeared to be a single storey house that was destroyed by Israeli rockets.

Metal parts and bricks shattered by the rocket attack lay on the hill around the damaged house. A damaged green water tank was seen next to a swimming pool half filled with dirty water.

Three other buildings in the ravine remained untouched.

Israel said it targeted an Islamic Jihad training base. But Islamic Jihad said it had no bases in Syria, and Syrian Foreign Minister Farouk al-Sharaa said Israel hit a civilian target.

He accused Israel of “aggression” and warned that Syria was capable of a “deterring balance to force Israel to review” its action.

Syrian state radio said the Security Council decision on Syria’s demand to condemn Israel’s air strikes will have major effects on the Middle East.

“What will be issued by the Security Council concerning the Syrian draft resolution will have positive or negative repercussions on peace and stability in the region and on the international community,” Damascus Radio said.
 
... as much as I want to condemn Isreal for this

I dont think we are much better... terrorist blow up two of our buildings and a section of the pentagon..

....and we obliterate two countries and still cant prove either country had anything to do with the attacks.

This war on terror will go on forever.

The government will use this to perpetuate constant turmoil to distract US citizens from the daily diminishment of our civil rights.

Im sure the US will find some way to escalate this latest Isreali incedent to further fuel our "war on terror" and there will be no end to this until Bush and his cronies are gone.

These are sad days.
 
Re: ... as much as I want to condemn Isreal for this

Milo Hobgoblin said:
I dont think we are much better... terrorist blow up two of our buildings and a section of the pentagon..

....and we obliterate two countries and still cant prove either country had anything to do with the attacks.

This war on terror will go on forever.

The government will use this to perpetuate constant turmoil to distract US citizens from the daily diminishment of our civil rights.

Im sure the US will find some way to escalate this latest Isreali incedent to further fuel our "war on terror" and there will be no end to this until Bush and his cronies are gone.

These are sad days.
The Bushbarians are extremely well positioned to make billions from terrorism.

One of them blew the cover of the CIA officer in charge of locating WMD. Politics/personal vendettas is more important to them than national security.
 
Y_Lifter said:
How come none of them condems Hamas ?

Because hamas is not a country. It would be like the UN condeming "white supremicists" for the oklahoma bombing by tim mcveigh.

Basically, israel is stuck between a rock and a hard place. If hamas acts like animals no one cares. But when israel defends itself, its looked upon as an act of aggression by a country against its OWN citizens.
 
I think Israel oughta do this more often...they should state policy that they are gonna kill 10 syrians/palestinians for every 1 Israeli that dies from a terrorist attack. Might make the idiots think twice about strapping dynamite to their chests and killing innocent civilians every couple of days.
 
canadianhitman said:
I think Israel oughta do this more often...they should state policy that they are gonna kill 10 syrians/palestinians for every 1 Israeli that dies from a terrorist attack. Might make the idiots think twice about strapping dynamite to their chests and killing innocent civilians every couple of days.

They(Israel) have already been doing this for years and they just keep comin.
 
"But when israel defends itself"

This has been said time and time again. They`re always arguing "who shot first?" wtf? They are battling each other!!! One side is "defending itself" but the other side is...?

Both sides should be ashamed of themselves for killing innocents. BOTH SIDES. So why is only one side "defending?" Because it sounds better to the public? YES.
 
canadianhitman said:
Well, then up the ratio to 100/1...whatever it takes to make the terrorists lay off.

It has not been 10-1. Recently 19 israelis were killed by a suicide bomber. There were not 190 deaths in israels retaliation. Maybe a couple of deaths. Their response is always more "destrcutive" but usually more damaging to buildings and not in terms of deaths. They usually send warnings before they launch an attack on a base or a building that they believe is terrorist related. Or they launch the attack against hamas leaders and not merely sending missiles into night clubs (which they COULD, but OPT not to).
 
Notice that Israel never just launches a surprise attack to break a cease-fire or cooling off or whatever they're called when the US gets both sides to agree to one. It is always the Palestinians who start shit up again, then Israel retaliates. That is why they are considered to be defending themselves, while Hamas and others are terrorists.
 
canadianhitman said:
Well, then up the ratio to 100/1...whatever it takes to make the terrorists lay off.


I can definately understand the aggravation, but look at what happened with the last bomber. Her husbancd or brother and uncle.. whatever were killed in a Isreali attack earlier this year. They showed her on the news weeping etc. in the rubble of the remains. She, In turn "retaliated" the only way she knew how.

Now if Isreal kills MORE than 10-1, Say 100 to one. Don`t you think all these people have families that are on the edge of thier rope too? Just like this lady.

One has to remember, They don`t watch the same news/opinion channels we do. Why do you think the whole world does`nt think like us? We all watch different stuff.

Any one of us say "If a dude broke into my house..." I would KILL HIM and... blah blah blah..." That`s what they`re doing.

You would defend your families would`nt you? Youn have to always look at both sides.
 
I think that the first side to break a cease-fire should be pummeled....end of story. This whole land thing is a legal dispute, and should be settled by binding arbitration adjudicated by a non-biased party.
 
canadianhitman said:
I think that the first side to break a cease-fire should be pummeled....end of story. This whole land thing is a legal dispute, and should be settled by binding arbitration adjudicated by a non-biased party.

And what if it`s Isreal? Who`s gonna "pummel" them? The US? lol

US Owned by Isreal.
 
canadianhitman said:
Notice that Israel never just launches a surprise attack to break a cease-fire or cooling off or whatever they're called when the US gets both sides to agree to one. It is always the Palestinians who start shit up again, then Israel retaliates. That is why they are considered to be defending themselves, while Hamas and others are terrorists.

That would make perfect sense except for the little known fact that Israel is OCCUPYING Palestine. There are no limits to how a nation fights against occupyers. The Palestinians have every right to drive out the Israeli occupation by any means necessary.
 
anabolicmd said:


That would make perfect sense except for the little known fact that Israel is OCCUPYING Palestine. There are no limits to how a nation fights against occupyers. The Palestinians have every right to drive out the Israeli occupation by any means necessary.

Israel occupies palestine, like america is occupying Native American Land. I don't think any country can claim to have been the only "owner" throughout history. And jews were occupying israel many centuries before the word palestinian was ever created. That argument does not hold water.
 
primetime21 said:


Israel occupies palestine, like america is occupying Native American Land. I don't think any country can claim to have been the only "owner" throughout history. And jews were occupying israel many centuries before the word palestinian was ever created. That argument does not hold water.

A) You cannot compare internationally recognized borders of Israel and Palestine to the American conquest of Native American land. The US is not occupying land that is outside its borders, Israel is.

B) When was the word "Palestinian" created really, Id like to know. Regardless of that both sides claim to be the ancient residents of those lands. Barring a time machine, we ought to stick to the borders that are there now, and that Israel is violating.

C) To summarize, Israel is in fact acting as an occupying force in Palestine. The Palestinians have ever right to expel the invading army by any means necessary.
 
canadianhitman said:
Notice that Israel never just launches a surprise attack to break a cease-fire or cooling off or whatever they're called when the US gets both sides to agree to one. It is always the Palestinians who start shit up again, then Israel retaliates. That is why they are considered to be defending themselves, while Hamas and others are terrorists.


This is not a true statement. After "cease fires" Isreal has "targeted killing" of "militants we were after for years" and "could`nt pass up the oppurtunity."

Days or a week later , Suicide bomber strikes with "revenge for the killing of blah blah" Then ALL YOU HEAR ON THE NEWS is "Will Isreal retaliate?" lol

Like I said you have to look at both sides.
 
you know what they need...

They need Jesse Jackson and Rodney King over there to straighten things out...

That would warm them up for the BIG GUNS.. JIMMY FUCKING CARTER!

I hope They all nuke the fuck out of each other.

We could just declare that whole area a radioation zone... uninhabitable for a million years.

Eventually the Morlocks will move there.
 
Morlocks...wtf...LOL

I wouldn't mind seeing that whole region be turned loose on each other with no outside interference. Let Israel fight the war against the whole middle east like they have been preparing to do for years, and let destiny decide the winner.
 
Isreal is its own country...Why instead of trying to reason with the Palestinians and be a glutton of punnishment with all these terrorist attacks dont they just kick out every palistinian, make a national ID and never let another Palestinian or Arab in again. Fuck civil rights, being nice is only going to hurt them at this point.
 
anabolicmd said:


A) You cannot compare internationally recognized borders of Israel and Palestine to the American conquest of Native American land. The US is not occupying land that is outside its borders, Israel is.

B) When was the word "Palestinian" created really, Id like to know. Regardless of that both sides claim to be the ancient residents of those lands. Barring a time machine, we ought to stick to the borders that are there now, and that Israel is violating.

C) To summarize, Israel is in fact acting as an occupying force in Palestine. The Palestinians have ever right to expel the invading army by any means necessary.

The term palestine is a new invention. it is one that was not around when Jews originally occupied israel.

AS for comment A, The US is occupying ALL of its land that is outside of its borders. THere was once a time when there was NO america. Believe it or not. Explorers came to this land, which was inhabited by native americans and took it ALL over. The entire nation known as the US was land that was TAKEN from someone else. Once you realize that, you will realize that Israel's has more historical rights to its land, than the america has to it's land. Jews lived in israel for centuries before it finally became a state 60 years ago.

The fact that you use the word palestine only proves that you have been brainwashed into believing in a term that is about as old as the dust under my couch.
 
primetime21 said:


The term palestine is a new invention. it is one that was not around when Jews originally occupied israel.

AS for comment A, The US is occupying ALL of its land that is outside of its borders. THere was once a time when there was NO america. Believe it or not. Explorers came to this land, which was inhabited by native americans and took it ALL over. The entire nation known as the US was land that was TAKEN from someone else. Once you realize that, you will realize that Israel's has more historical rights to its land, than the america has to it's land. Jews lived in israel for centuries before it finally became a state 60 years ago.

The fact that you use the word palestine only proves that you have been brainwashed into believing in a term that is about as old as the dust under my couch.

You and anabolicmd are both off-base on this historical matter.

After the Romans destroyed the temple and kicked the Jews out of Israel, Rome renamed the area Palestine after the Jews historical enemy, the Philistines. Rome also renamed Jerusalem "Aelia Capitolina", but that didn;t stick at all.

If you want to talk history, Jews were living in Israel before Romans, before Persians, before Babylonians and long long before Islam was even invented.

fast forward 1900 years:

The UN carved Israel out of the most barren land it could find - largely desert, no oil, and very little access to water...for perspective it is smaller than New Jersey and less than 1% of the "Middle East" What is currently known as "Palestine" has never actually been a country called Palestine. As part of the british empire it was known as Trans-Jordan, more of a regional name than a sovereign one.

There has never been a nation called Palestine. Most of the citizenry of the area was displaced after WW2 actually. Many of you should look up what happened to these displaced people when they sought refuge in Jordan and Syria.

The Israelis did not seize the land their country is on; it was given by UN mandate. This is similar to the creation of Yugosalvia...oddly (or not) the same stuff happened there.

The dispusted land - Gaza and the West bank - was seized by Israel after it won a war that it did not start. To the victor go the spoils, right?

Those who do not know history are doomed to look like assholes in front of those that do.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


You and anabolicmd are both off-base on this historical matter.

After the Romans destroyed the temple and kicked the Jews out of Israel, Rome renamed the area Palestine after the Jews historical enemy, the Philistines. Rome also renamed Jerusalem "Aelia Capitolina", but that didn;t stick at all.

If you want to talk history, Jews were living in Israel before Romans, before Persians, before Babylonians and long long before Islam was even invented.

fast forward 1900 years:

The UN carved Israel out of the most barren land it could find - largely desert, no oil, and very little access to water...for perspective it is smaller than New Jersey and less than 1% of the "Middle East" What is currently known as "Palestine" has never actually been a country called Palestine. As part of the british empire it was known as Trans-Jordan, more of a regional name than a sovereign one.

There has never been a nation called Palestine. Most of the citizenry of the area was displaced after WW2 actually. Many of you should look up what happened to these displaced people when they sought refuge in Jordan and Syria.

The Israelis did not seize the land their country is on; it was given by UN mandate. This is similar to the creation of Yugosalvia...oddly (or not) the same stuff happened there.

The dispusted land - Gaza and the West bank - was seized by Israel after it won a war that it did not start. To the victor go the spoils, right?

Those who do not know history are doomed to look like assholes in front of those that do.

Not sure were we differ, but ok.
 
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