ISN_Man said:
Realgains, great posts in this thread. A lot of informative info that is very useful. Thanks. I had a couple of questions for you.
For my first cycle, I was going to run roughly 400mg of Cyp/week with either Ox (dosing dependent upon which brand I use) or 200mg of deca/week. I figured that this was a pretty mild cycle, but definitely effective enough for a first-timer and someone who is a little below their natural potential (6'1'' @ 209 currently, in the 10% vicinity).
So, I was curious what you thought of this cycle, and if you thought the dosing was appropriate or if things would need to be changed/substituted for something else. Also, if was going to front load the Cyp, how would it go? I mean, I read some of the other posts in the thread in which you talked about front loading doses, but I was unsure of how the dosing should go after the first week. Any feedback you can throw my way would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much Realgains.
I like the nandrolone better than the var for two reasons #1. It will give you better mass gains and #2. It is not 17aa so it is easy on the liver and cholesterol profile.
As far as I am concerned it is best to inject cyp and deca twice per week. This will give you better blood hormone levels and this leads to better gains. Also the "spiking" seen with once per week injections can be enough to trigger sides in the sensitive.
Front loading is VERY important IMO, especially when using the very slow esters such as nandrolone deconate, and boldenone. Front loads really help with getting gains moving as soon as possible and this leads to better overall gains and potentially less time "on". Blood hormone levels do not jump dramatically even with large loading doses ,as the hormones still need to be de-esterfied and this takes some time.....so there is NO reason to be afraid of loading doses. We do loading doses all the time with all sorts of drugs in the medical field.
Doing a loading dose of injectables is way less "harsh" than starting a cycle off with d-bol.
As far as I am concerned loading an injectable is better, for even a newbie, than using d-bol, yet d-bol is recommended so often for the newbie by some men.
You don't NEED to do loading doses but it is a very good idea.
You should front load about 5 days worth of gear plus what ever your regular injection will be. If you plan on doing 500 of test per week, injecting twice per week, then this works out to about 70mg per day and 70 X 5 days equals 350...then 350 plus your regular injection of 250 equals about 600 mg for a loading dose.( or a little more)
For you I would recommend this...... load the cyp and deca at 450- 600 each on day one. Don't inject more than 3cc in one spot as more than this can sometimes cause a sterile abscess to form that can be a pain and can also get infected.
Then I would recommend 200 of cyp and 200 of Deca every 4 days with the first injection coming 3 days after the loading dose.
This is 800mg of gear for every 8 days, aside from the loading week, and is plenty. I do not think you will need more than this to reach your goals IF you train properly, eat well and get plenty of sleep.
Test and deca is a classic stack that builds well and that is fairly "safe" at moderate doses. This stack will be almost as productive as 800 mg of test in 8 days but it will be much less androgenic.
Generally, unless one is perhaps doing a two week cycle, I do not recommend any 17 aa roids at all as they are not needed by the average man. If you are a competitive power lifter that doesn't want to add much weight to the body then there may be a place for anavar or Halo.
Hope this helps
RG
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