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the nature boy
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primetime21 said:
dude, try and keep you blantant israel bias out of the topic at hand FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!
U.S. soldiers fire into van carrying 13 women and children
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dude, try and keep you blantant israel bias out of the topic at hand FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!
primetime21
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The Nature Boy said:
i am sorry you must be confusing me with someone who gives a crap about what you say.
thebabydoc
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Well, well, well...nordstrom said:
Anyone watching the news today?
Apparently, it was a setup as was the car bomb that killed those 4 marines. Those people were forced to do it or have their families killed. The guy who killed the 4 marines had 2 infant children and apparently the money they received was "hush money"
Real surprise given the death squads and the Fedayeen.
Mandinka2
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Ehhhm , what happened is certainly open to question
Journalist contradicts version from US soldiers
THE killing of up to ten Iraqi women and children by American troops at a checkpoint fuelled mutual mistrust between coalition forces and civilians yesterday, as the official US version of events was contradicted by a journalist who witnessed the incident.
The deaths, at about 4.30pm on Monday near the central town of Najaf, came after US ground troops were ordered at the weekend by marine and army commanders to employ new, overtly aggressive tactics toward civilian Iraqi vehicles in response to a suicide car bomber who killed four US soldiers at a Najaf checkpoint on Saturday.
They dealt a terrible blow to US hopes of winning the "hearts and minds" of Iraqi civilians.
The image of an increasingly suspicious and ruthless invading force operating on a hair trigger was reinforced yesterday when an unarmed driver speeding towards a military roadblock near the southern town of al-Shatrah was shot dead.
In Kuwait, US soldiers shot and wounded the driver of a car which burst past a checkpoint near the Iraqi border.
Kuwait said that the man was an army captain running late for work.
According to US Central Command, based in Doha, Qatar, soldiers from the army's 3rd Infantry Division manning a checkpoint on Highway 9, near Najaf, were approached by a "civilian vehicle".
They motioned for the vehicle to stop but were ignored. The soldiers fired warning shots, which were also ignored, so shots were fired into the vehicle's engine.
It continued moving, so "as a last resort, soldiers fired into the passenger compartment of the vehicle".
Seven occupants were killed, two were injured and four were unharmed, the statement said.
"In light of recent terrorist attacks by the Iraqi regime, the soldiers exercised considerable restraint to avoid unnecessary loss of life," the statement concluded.
In a markedly different and detailed version of events, William Branigin, a 'Washington Post' reporter embedded with the 3rd Infantry Division, described a blue, four-wheel-drive Toyota that came "barrelling toward" the intersection checkpoint.
Captain Ronny Johnson, who was within earshot of Branigin, radioed one of his forward platoons of M2 Bradley Fighting vehicles to alert it to this potential threat.
"Fire a warning shot," Capt Johnson was reported as saying. Then, "with increasing urgency", the report continues, "he told the platoon to shoot a 7.62mm machine-gun round into its radiator.
"Stop (messing) around!" Johnson was heard yelling as he saw no action taken.
Finally, according to Branigin's report, he shouted: "Stop him, Red 1, stop him.
"About six shots of 25mm canon fire were then heard from one of the Bradley vehicles."
As Johnson peered at the vehicle through his binoculars, Branigin reported, he shouted at the platoon leader: "You just f****** killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot!" The report quoted officers at the scene as saying that 15 civilians were in the vehicle.
Capt Johnson's company reported that ten of them, including five children who appeared to be under five, were killed. However, later in his report, Branigin writes that several soldiers "accepted the platoon leader's explanation to Johnson on the military radio that he had, in fact, fired two warning shots, but that the driver failed to stop.
A spokesman for 'The Washington Post' said that the newspaper stood by the report. "Mr Branigin heard himself the radio transmission he reported."
Yesterday, as US Central Command launched an investigation, it was clear that any inquiry will do nothing to quell Arab anger. In Bahrain, home of the US Fifth Fleet, a front page headline of the 'Akhbar al-Khaleej' newspaper read: "Invaders commit massacre in al-Ameen area".
In Cairo, a banner headline in the semi-official 'al-Gomhuria' said: "The invading force commits three ugly massacres in Baghdad and Najaf.
Saturday's suicide bombing has had a profound effect.
Before the incident, Iraqi civilians drove through checkpoints routinely, chatting to US troops and often being handed sweets and rations.
On Monday, before the Iraqi deaths at Najaf, US Marine Command, after an army move at the weekend, issued new guidelines to troops to assume the worst and employ tougher tactics.
Central Command emphasised yesterday that no new rules of engagement had been issued, but "procedures might be varied".
Now, drivers and passengers at checkpoints are being ordered out of vehicles with their hands raised.
Any vehicle blocking traffic will be rolled over.
Civilians approaching checkpoints with their hands in their pockets will be shot if they fail to heed a warning.
Barriers are being used to create chicanes at checkpoints.
Pentagon officials conceded yesterday that the new tactics risk alienating civilians further and killing even more of them.
There is also a recognition that the suicide bombing has, for the Arab world, turned the war from a secular conflict into a holy war that resonates with the Palestinian cause.
The new checkpoint procedures, modelled on Israeli tactics in the West Bank, will reinforce that image.
Drivers and passengers at checkpoints will be ordered out with their hands raised. Cars and trucks will no longer cross through American and British convoys; any vehicle blocking traffic will be pushed aside. (© The Times, London)
Tim Reid
Journalist contradicts version from US soldiers
THE killing of up to ten Iraqi women and children by American troops at a checkpoint fuelled mutual mistrust between coalition forces and civilians yesterday, as the official US version of events was contradicted by a journalist who witnessed the incident.
The deaths, at about 4.30pm on Monday near the central town of Najaf, came after US ground troops were ordered at the weekend by marine and army commanders to employ new, overtly aggressive tactics toward civilian Iraqi vehicles in response to a suicide car bomber who killed four US soldiers at a Najaf checkpoint on Saturday.
They dealt a terrible blow to US hopes of winning the "hearts and minds" of Iraqi civilians.
The image of an increasingly suspicious and ruthless invading force operating on a hair trigger was reinforced yesterday when an unarmed driver speeding towards a military roadblock near the southern town of al-Shatrah was shot dead.
In Kuwait, US soldiers shot and wounded the driver of a car which burst past a checkpoint near the Iraqi border.
Kuwait said that the man was an army captain running late for work.
According to US Central Command, based in Doha, Qatar, soldiers from the army's 3rd Infantry Division manning a checkpoint on Highway 9, near Najaf, were approached by a "civilian vehicle".
They motioned for the vehicle to stop but were ignored. The soldiers fired warning shots, which were also ignored, so shots were fired into the vehicle's engine.
It continued moving, so "as a last resort, soldiers fired into the passenger compartment of the vehicle".
Seven occupants were killed, two were injured and four were unharmed, the statement said.
"In light of recent terrorist attacks by the Iraqi regime, the soldiers exercised considerable restraint to avoid unnecessary loss of life," the statement concluded.
In a markedly different and detailed version of events, William Branigin, a 'Washington Post' reporter embedded with the 3rd Infantry Division, described a blue, four-wheel-drive Toyota that came "barrelling toward" the intersection checkpoint.
Captain Ronny Johnson, who was within earshot of Branigin, radioed one of his forward platoons of M2 Bradley Fighting vehicles to alert it to this potential threat.
"Fire a warning shot," Capt Johnson was reported as saying. Then, "with increasing urgency", the report continues, "he told the platoon to shoot a 7.62mm machine-gun round into its radiator.
"Stop (messing) around!" Johnson was heard yelling as he saw no action taken.
Finally, according to Branigin's report, he shouted: "Stop him, Red 1, stop him.
"About six shots of 25mm canon fire were then heard from one of the Bradley vehicles."
As Johnson peered at the vehicle through his binoculars, Branigin reported, he shouted at the platoon leader: "You just f****** killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot!" The report quoted officers at the scene as saying that 15 civilians were in the vehicle.
Capt Johnson's company reported that ten of them, including five children who appeared to be under five, were killed. However, later in his report, Branigin writes that several soldiers "accepted the platoon leader's explanation to Johnson on the military radio that he had, in fact, fired two warning shots, but that the driver failed to stop.
A spokesman for 'The Washington Post' said that the newspaper stood by the report. "Mr Branigin heard himself the radio transmission he reported."
Yesterday, as US Central Command launched an investigation, it was clear that any inquiry will do nothing to quell Arab anger. In Bahrain, home of the US Fifth Fleet, a front page headline of the 'Akhbar al-Khaleej' newspaper read: "Invaders commit massacre in al-Ameen area".
In Cairo, a banner headline in the semi-official 'al-Gomhuria' said: "The invading force commits three ugly massacres in Baghdad and Najaf.
Saturday's suicide bombing has had a profound effect.
Before the incident, Iraqi civilians drove through checkpoints routinely, chatting to US troops and often being handed sweets and rations.
On Monday, before the Iraqi deaths at Najaf, US Marine Command, after an army move at the weekend, issued new guidelines to troops to assume the worst and employ tougher tactics.
Central Command emphasised yesterday that no new rules of engagement had been issued, but "procedures might be varied".
Now, drivers and passengers at checkpoints are being ordered out of vehicles with their hands raised.
Any vehicle blocking traffic will be rolled over.
Civilians approaching checkpoints with their hands in their pockets will be shot if they fail to heed a warning.
Barriers are being used to create chicanes at checkpoints.
Pentagon officials conceded yesterday that the new tactics risk alienating civilians further and killing even more of them.
There is also a recognition that the suicide bombing has, for the Arab world, turned the war from a secular conflict into a holy war that resonates with the Palestinian cause.
The new checkpoint procedures, modelled on Israeli tactics in the West Bank, will reinforce that image.
Drivers and passengers at checkpoints will be ordered out with their hands raised. Cars and trucks will no longer cross through American and British convoys; any vehicle blocking traffic will be pushed aside. (© The Times, London)
Tim Reid
primetime21
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Mandinka2, you have any good articles about the millions of civilians the germans killed in WWII? America kills a few civilians, unintentionally, and germans go crazy. Lets do a run down of each of the millions of civilians killed in WWII by the nazi's so we can see how the US and germany compare.
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dballer
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primetime21 said:
Stalin killed alot too... you forgot to mention him. Stalin killed just as many as the Nazis did
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Warik
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dballer said:
Stalin made the Nazis look like the Care Bears.
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