U.S. brutality

[metisse]

We should remember that, stripped of political spins, the U S. unleashed the greatest war machine the earth has ever seen against a poor soverign nation that was not harming us in any way. We "conquered" them in a matter of days. Since our invasion over 100,000 Iraq citizens have died, 200,000 injuried, their cities bombed, all so we can have their oil at 10 cents on the dollar. When did we become so ruthless and heartless that we are willing to kill tens of thousand of innocent people so our oil supplies and big business profits are assured. This is such a brutal grab of another countries resourses by a superior military power that is hard to believe anyone could support it.

 

[EnderJE]

Bluepeter, there's no need for the alter.

 

[Gambino]

fucking bomb this faggot please

 

[silverfish]

I like cheap gas as much as the next SUV driver.

 

[HumorMe]

 

[Testosterone boy]

We should remember that, stripped of political spins, the U S. unleashed the greatest war machine the earth has ever seen against a poor soverign nation that was not harming us in any way. We "conquered" them in a matter of days. Since our invasion over 100,000 Iraq citizens have died, 200,000 injuried, their cities bombed, all so we can have their oil at 10 cents on the dollar. When did we become so ruthless and heartless that we are willing to kill tens of thousand of innocent people so our oil supplies and big business profits are assured. This is such a brutal grab of another countries resourses by a superior military power that is hard to believe anyone could support it.

Any type of war will find a lot of admirers. They just like war.

I think the admin really believed that Iraq did have WMD. The CIA did a last minute probe and confirmed that the nuke program was totally kaput in 1993 but they failed to let the admin know this.

The CIA was caught in a cross fire that they couldn't with stand. This admin wanted Iraq.

A lot of experienced CIA have quit in disillusionment. The FBI fired some people who expressed various concerns.

The CIA fucked up and is miserable about it.
The FBI fucked up and is concerned about it.
The admin fucked up and wants to do it again. They say that Iran has nuclear blueprints. No shit....we gave them nuclear blueprints in 2000 so we could "track their progress."

Tough call on what to do. America may recover, it isn't over yet.

At any rate, I think we have exciting times ahead.


Make no mistake though. A lot of guys are thrilled about the idea of killing a lot of Arabs. Or most anything else. You will be called a pussy if you don't endorse the killing. BTW....check your karma. Gambino left his calling card.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I like cheap gas as much as the next SUV driver.

Gas went up about 30%.


Only people that got cheap gas was Exxon/Mobil etc. Posted up profits of about 30 billion last year.

 

[Hangfire]

Steelers 34, Seahawks 21

 

[javaguru]

I can play devil's advocate, even though I was against the Iraq war. The Gulf War ceasefire was in constant violation by Iraq up until the day the US invaded; The US had a Cassus Bellum for that alone. Also, your casualty estimates are just that and biased. Over the next twenty years what are Saddam's murders and human right violations Vs. those who died during the invasion. Remember, there was an embargo against Iraq because of Saddam the left claimed caused 10k casualties per year by itself. At the end of the day, US policy is one of helping Iraq and the insurgents are the one's causing the problems with transition. If there were no insurgents, Iraq would be on its way to economic prosperity like Japan and Germany before them.

 

[Gambino]

Gas went up about 30%.


Only people that got cheap gas was Exxon/Mobil etc. Posted up profits of about 30 billion last year.

testboy, the arch-nemeisis of captilaism and american success

 

[needtogetaas]

We should remember that, stripped of political spins, the U S. unleashed the greatest war machine the earth has ever seen against a poor soverign nation that was not harming us in any way. We "conquered" them in a matter of days. Since our invasion over 100,000 Iraq citizens have died, 200,000 injuried, their cities bombed, all so we can have their oil at 10 cents on the dollar. When did we become so ruthless and heartless that we are willing to kill tens of thousand of innocent people so our oil supplies and big business profits are assured. This is such a brutal grab of another countries resourses by a superior military power that is hard to believe anyone could support it.

why o why did i not lissen to lestat and save some hits for people like this tonight.

 

[Gambino]

We should remember that, stripped of political spins, the U S. unleashed the greatest war machine the earth has ever seen against a poor soverign nation that was not harming us in any way. We "conquered" them in a matter of days. Since our invasion over 100,000 Iraq citizens have died, 200,000 injuried, their cities bombed, all so we can have their oil at 10 cents on the dollar. When did we become so ruthless and heartless that we are willing to kill tens of thousand of innocent people so our oil supplies and big business profits are assured. This is such a brutal grab of another countries resourses by a superior military power that is hard to believe anyone could support it.

furthermore, your post is super inaccurate...that 100,000 number is the number of casualties between desert storm and the current conflict...a period over 10 yrs. lots of those deaths have been attributed to saddam as well. fucking hater

 

[Testosterone boy]

testboy, the arch-nemeisis of captilaism and american success

Testboy is one of the more capitalistic guys here. Having a heart doesn't mean that I don't enjoy a profit.

Having a heart and a mind does guarantee that I will question current events.

 

[Gambino]

Testboy is one of the more capitalistic guys here. Having a heart doesn't mean that I don't enjoy a profit.

Having a heart and a mind does guarantee that I will question current events.

so then you understand that exxon's supposive record profits were allowed by people like yourself purchasing their product? why should they be scorned?

 

[PICK3]

Nice guys finish last

 

[wootoom]

bomb....done

 

[redguru]

Testboy is one of the more capitalistic guys here. Having a heart doesn't mean that I don't enjoy a profit.

Having a heart and a mind does guarantee that I will question current events.

I suppose you got that blueprints story from that cheesy-assed NY Times hack. We did send blueprints that were fake to Iran in an attempt to thwart thier ability to create a nuclear trigger. I guess you could twist your mouth in such a way to create the impression that we sent nuke blueprints to guage thier progress, but that would just be facetious. I hear you might be a pretty good photographer, stick to that. Your political insight isn't fit for Coast to Coast AM or even Shortwave, for that matter.

 

[HiDnGoD]

We should remember that, stripped of political spins, the U S. unleashed the greatest war machine the earth has ever seen against a poor soverign nation that was not harming us in any way. We "conquered" them in a matter of days. Since our invasion over 100,000 Iraq citizens have died, 200,000 injuried, their cities bombed, all so we can have their oil at 10 cents on the dollar. When did we become so ruthless and heartless that we are willing to kill tens of thousand of innocent people so our oil supplies and big business profits are assured. This is such a brutal grab of another countries resourses by a superior military power that is hard to believe anyone could support it.

Somehow I expected this jackass to be blacked out, before I even opened the thread.
SLACKERS!

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I can play devil's advocate, even though I was against the Iraq war. The Gulf War ceasefire was in constant violation by Iraq up until the day the US invaded; The US had a Cassus Bellum for that alone. Also, your casualty estimates are just that and biased. Over the next twenty years what are Saddam's murders and human right violations Vs. those who died during the invasion. Remember, there was an embargo against Iraq because of Saddam the left claimed caused 10k casualties per year by itself. At the end of the day, US policy is one of helping Iraq and the insurgents are the one's causing the problems with transition. If there were no insurgents, Iraq would be on its way to economic prosperity like Japan and Germany before them.

biased? they smack of amnesty international numbers a year and more old...and amnesty international is hardly an organisation that i would call biased. if anything they are likely understated, and do not take into account the more subtle harms caused through the use of depleted uranium throughout iraq, which im sure you reaslise are themselves classified as a weapon of mass destruction via their long term, diffuse harm causing potential.

furthermore the embargo against iraq was arguably due to american political pressure, rather than saddams recalcitrance - and it didnt cause 10k deaths a year. it probably caused that a MONTH. mostly in children, via malnutrition and lack of basic medicine.

furthermore it is arguable that there are no insurgents in iraq, regardless of what westerm media have coined them, since the conflict over there is more aptly described as a defense against invasion/occupation, and NOT an insurrection against an established governmental apparatus.

your statement that iraq would be on its way to economic prosperity "like japan and germany before them" is also flawed. iraq was already quite prosperous before gulf war 1, and would ahve continued to be so, despite reparations, if it were not for the embargo inflicted upon them by western powers. iraq had excellent healthcare and education for its citizens. the embargo itself was directly responsible for undermining iraqi social and health services to such a degree that, shall we say...undesireable elements were allowed to flourish, allowing for the creation and nurturing of dissilusioned, brutalised people capable of committing extreme acts.

the west engineered the situation in iraq. everything is going ahead according to plan.

 

[Gambino]

biased? they smack of amnesty international numbers a year and more old...and amnesty international is hardly an organisation that i would call biased. if anything they are likely understated, and do not take into account the more subtle harms caused through the use of depleted uranium throughout iraq, which im sure you reaslise are themselves classified as a weapon of mass destruction via their long term, diffuse harm causing potential.

furthermore the embargo against iraq was arguably due to american political pressure, rather than saddams recalcitrance - and it didnt cause 10k deaths a year. it probably caused that a MONTH. mostly in children, via malnutrition and lack of basic medicine.

furthermore it is arguable that there are no insurgents in iraq, regardless of what westerm media have coined them, since the conflict over there is more aptly described as a defense against invasion/occupation, and NOT an insurrection against an established governmental apparatus.

your statement that iraq would be on its way to economic prosperity "like japan and germany before them" is also flawed. iraq was already quite prosperous before gulf war 1, and would ahve continued to be so, despite reparations, if it were not for the embargo inflicted upon them by western powers. iraq had excellent healthcare and education for its citizens. the embargo itself was directly responsible for undermining iraqi social and health services to such a degree that, shall we say...undesireable elements were allowed to flourish, allowing for the creation and nurturing of dissilusioned, brutalised people capable of committing extreme acts.

the west engineered the situation in iraq. everything is going ahead according to plan.

bor you are a stubborn fuck...must be nice not being the target of these terroist fucks. if your country was attacked you wouldn't be such a sympathizer...

 

[Testosterone boy]

I suppose you got that blueprints story from that cheesy-assed NY Times hack. We did send blueprints that were fake to Iran in an attempt to thwart thier ability to create a nuclear trigger. I guess you could twist your mouth in such a way to create the impression that we sent nuke blueprints to guage thier progress, but that would just be facetious. I hear you might be a pretty good photographer, stick to that. Your political insight isn't fit for Coast to Coast AM or even Shortwave, for that matter.

If you approved of my insights, I would have to serve the greater good and hang myself.

 

[bigbair]

I hear cucumbers taste better pickled

BB

 

[wootoom]

this guy needs 1 more bomb

 

[javaguru]

biased? they smack of amnesty international numbers a year and more old...and amnesty international is hardly an organisation that i would call biased. if anything they are likely understated, and do not take into account the more subtle harms caused through the use of depleted uranium throughout iraq, which im sure you reaslise are themselves classified as a weapon of mass destruction via their long term, diffuse harm causing potential.

furthermore the embargo against iraq was arguably due to american political pressure, rather than saddams recalcitrance - and it didnt cause 10k deaths a year. it probably caused that a MONTH. mostly in children, via malnutrition and lack of basic medicine.

furthermore it is arguable that there are no insurgents in iraq, regardless of what westerm media have coined them, since the conflict over there is more aptly described as a defense against invasion/occupation, and NOT an insurrection against an established governmental apparatus.

your statement that iraq would be on its way to economic prosperity "like japan and germany before them" is also flawed. iraq was already quite prosperous before gulf war 1, and would ahve continued to be so, despite reparations, if it were not for the embargo inflicted upon them by western powers. iraq had excellent healthcare and education for its citizens. the embargo itself was directly responsible for undermining iraqi social and health services to such a degree that, shall we say...undesireable elements were allowed to flourish, allowing for the creation and nurturing of dissilusioned, brutalised people capable of committing extreme acts.

the west engineered the situation in iraq. everything is going ahead according to plan.

The embargo was UN based regardless of "pressure." You have to admit Saddam was a threat to the region. Otherwise, a coalition couldn't have been formed by an infidel country? Likewise, I served in GW1 and saw directly what he did to kuwait, our regret was that we weren't allowed to go to Baghdad back then. Like I said before, casualty numbers are inherently biased based on the agenda they are trying to support. It has been shown Saddam was abusing the humanitarian supplies for oil program that was implemented to mitigate the suffering of the Iraqi people. You seem to be blaming the US for Saddam's policies? Saddam was the problem, had he abdicated for a popularly elected government it all would have ended, it really is that simple.

Once again, Saddam INVADED a peaceful neghbor and brutalized the population. Saddam and his Bathe followers committed unspeakable acts to come to power in Iraq before the US even had an interest in the region! The United States has a track record of improving the quality of life of those it defeats in war, as a matter of policy(Marshal plan). No reasonable person would choose Saddam over stabilazation and withdraw which is what the US has always done. How many Germans or Japanese hate Americans for their occupation?

 

[redguru]

The embargo was UN based regardless of "pressure." You have to admit Saddam was a threat to the region. Otherwise, a coalition couldn't have been formed by an infidel country? Likewise, I served in GW1 and saw directly what he did to kuwait, our regret was that we weren't allowed to go to Baghdad back then. Like I said before, casualty numbers are inherently biased based on the agenda they are trying to support. It has been shown Saddam was abusing the humanitarian supplies for oil program that was implemented to mitigate the suffering of the Iraqi people. You seem to be blaming the US for Saddam's policies? Saddam was the problem, had he abdicated for a popularly elected government it all would have ended, it really is that simple.

Once again, Saddam INVADED a peaceful neghbor and brutalized the population. Saddam and his Bathe followers committed unspeakable acts to come to power in Iraq before the US even had an interest in the region! The United States has a track record of improving the quality of life of those it defeats in war, as a matter of policy(Marshal plan). No reasonable person would choose Saddam over stabilazation and withdraw which is what the US has always done. How many Germans or Japanese hate Americans for their occupation?

He's just pissed because the Greeks don't rule the area anymore.

 

[Testosterone boy]

The embargo was UN based regardless of "pressure." You have to admit Saddam was a threat to the region. Otherwise, a coalition couldn't have been formed by an infidel country? Likewise, I served in GW1 and saw directly what he did to kuwait, our regret was that we weren't allowed to go to Baghdad back then. Like I said before, casualty numbers are inherently biased based on the agenda they are trying to support. It has been shown Saddam was abusing the humanitarian supplies for oil program that was implemented to mitigate the suffering of the Iraqi people. You seem to be blaming the US for Saddam's policies? Saddam was the problem, had he abdicated for a popularly elected government it all would have ended, it really is that simple.

Once again, Saddam INVADED a peaceful neghbor and brutalized the population. Saddam and his Bathe followers committed unspeakable acts to come to power in Iraq before the US even had an interest in the region! The United States has a track record of improving the quality of life of those it defeats in war, as a matter of policy(Marshal plan). No reasonable person would choose Saddam over stabilazation and withdraw which is what the US has always done. How many Germans or Japanese hate Americans for their occupation?

You need to forget about our track record. A ships history matters not when pirates have wrested control of the helm.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

bor you are a stubborn fuck...must be nice not being the target of these terroist fucks. if your country was attacked you wouldn't be such a sympathizer...

australia and the US are in the same boat.

if the US wants to go to war for oil, id shrug my shoulders and say, well, ok. its been like that since the year dot.

what pisses me off is the underhanded way things are done.

"oh, its was 9/11 which was afghanistans fault because of al-quaida which is in the same place as iraq and they arent listening to us in terms of weapons inspections even though they are hey they might have WMDs even though we cant find them but hey lets launch a massive war to respect the dead firefighters of 9/11 we owe it to them its our duty and look at the poor iraqis saddam is killing them but never mind the africans who are dying in similar circumstances ten times faster we ahve to help the poor iraqis omg look the women have to wear veils its disrespectful lets liberate them all anyway oh my goodness, check out all this lovely OIL!"

please. its offensive.

 

[javaguru]

Sorry, GW may not be the sharpest tack but that leads me to believe he was more idealistic. I've worked with some real dumbass political campaigns and they all were interested in "doing good."

 

[GoldenDelicious]

The embargo was UN based regardless of "pressure." You have to admit Saddam was a threat to the region. Otherwise, a coalition couldn't have been formed by an infidel country? Likewise, I served in GW1 and saw directly what he did to kuwait, our regret was that we weren't allowed to go to Baghdad back then. Like I said before, casualty numbers are inherently biased based on the agenda they are trying to support. It has been shown Saddam was abusing the humanitarian supplies for oil program that was implemented to mitigate the suffering of the Iraqi people. You seem to be blaming the US for Saddam's policies? Saddam was the problem, had he abdicated for a popularly elected government it all would have ended, it really is that simple.

...and the UN acted based on US pressure. whats your point? saddam was a threat to no one except his own people. he couldnt invade anyway. he had enough trouble with the iranians even before sanctions castrated his military, and without any viable weapons programs (as proven ad nauseum) what was he going to do in the region, exactly? nothing. nada. zip.

personally i dont care what saddam did. was he a scumbag that lived in opulence while his people starved? yep. did he deserve to die? yep. do these things justify an unjust war instigated by the best funded, most capable military nation in the world? nope. elts not lose sight of that, please.

and im sure that what happened to many places in iraq - fallujah springs to mind - are at least as terrible as what was done to the kuwaitis. lets not use that as justification, no matter how flimsy it owuld have been in the first place.

Once again, Saddam INVADED a peaceful neghbor and brutalized the population. Saddam and his Bathe followers committed unspeakable acts to come to power in Iraq before the US even had an interest in the region! The United States has a track record of improving the quality of life of those it defeats in war, as a matter of policy(Marshal plan). No reasonable person would choose Saddam over stabilazation and withdraw which is what the US has always done. How many Germans or Japanese hate Americans for their occupation?

invaded? you mean...like the US invaded iraq? omg! KILL SADDAM!!! ...but leave the US alone. even though they did the same thing. hm.

there were some very interesting politics behind the invasion of kuwait, directly involving the US. im sure you know what im talking about. saddam virtually asked for permission, and imo, was deceived.

anyway perhaps the starkest example of the decidedly self serving aid machine rumbling along in the US is how the plight of the iraqis was so well publicised...while that of the africans barely registers a bleep on the giveafuckometer besides a few wilted child sponsorship commercials on cable tv. the US picks and chooses who it 'helps'.

 

[scout69]

i served in the military for 3 years, I do not agree with everything going onover there, but this is a very touchy subject to me haneing so many buddies over there...

 

[DJ_UFO]

LOL @ this thread. I think that dude's karma shows pretty much who's wrong and who's right. Towel heads didn't even know what in the hell was oil until America discovered his use. They should be thankful instead of declaring "holy wars" and spending money in training terrorists. They are hostile and dangerous; there's no doubt we're victims #1 on their list along with Israel. Since we plan for the future and not for today, they must die now. Unless they surrender to America but that's not gonna happen.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

LOL @ this thread. I think that dude's karma shows pretty much who's wrong and who's right. Towel heads didn't even know what in the hell was oil until America discovered his use. They should be thankful instead of declaring "holy wars" and spending money in training terrorists. They are hostile and dangerous; there's no doubt we're victims #1 on their list along with Israel. Since we plan for the future and not for today, they must die now. Unless they surrender to America but that's not gonna happen.

what

the hell