Trinabol 150 dosing

[Tux]

Enth and cyp are basically the same as enth and hex. Cyp and hex are one carbon longer than enth. That's the only structural difference. As we all know however, a very small difference like that can have a large impact on the individual user. I know I get much better gains from test enth than cyp! Shouldn't be noticeably different but for some reason it always has been. Tren hex and tren enth would likely be the same. Most people shouldn't be able to tell a difference, but some people might have a huge difference in results, you'd just have to try it and see which group you're in!

 

[BionicBC]

Knowledge.

One thing is that Sustanon was developed as a blend of esters to provide even blood levels for longer than standard single long-ester solutions. It was specifically designed to be injected once every 3 weeks (I have a link below and if you search my posts in this forum I did post a pdf link to the package insert from Organon). This is specifically why these esters and the resulting proportions were used. So it is in no way optimized for BBer use or weekly injections. One more thing to consider is that when you look at the different esters a mg to mg comparison doesn't really provide an accurate picture of the composition of the blend. You have to also take ester weight into account. It's significant - look at acetate vs. hept. (parabolan ester I can't spell) the amount of active ingredient per mg after the ester is removed varies significantly - 100mg of acetate is not the same as 100mg of a longer ester. This further squeues the balance toward the shorter esters more than one would think from a simple mg to mg look.

So anyway, that's the jist. It's just not designed for injections more frequent than 1 every 3 weeks. They also have a separate blend for injection every 2 weeks. What does this leave the BBer - the task of figuring out how to best apply a compound not specifically made for their needs. Given the blend and factoring ester weights to really get a good idea makes the calculations onerous. My personal opinion is that it's a hell of a lot easier and often cheaper to use a single ester and manage your frequency. Of course, how big of a deal is it - it's not life or death and obviously good gains can be made using it even 1x per week. As far as what is optimal for even blood levels, given what I've already covered, it's a frequency that balances out the short esters. How much more optimal and is it worth it for people to do it? I don't know (maybe use a spreadsheet, figure the ester weights, apply halflives, calculate the deviations, and chart it) it also likely depends on the person and how much he wants to bother himself with it.

That's my take on sustanon and that's also why you hear people talking about more frequent injections than 1x per week. Obviously from what I presented I think they are correct but I doubt that the majority has any idea and is merely repeating what someone else told them. So anyway, check out the link below and maybe search up the organon document I linked a few months back. I'd love to see such a spreadsheet made up but it's not something to which I'm willing to devote my own time since my involvement is zero. Personally, I think a comprehensive spreadsheet (still an estimate to some degree but a lot more accurate) would be a good basis for decision making and looking into this further. Afterall, this is how they designed the drug in the first place using simple calcs and analytics.

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/images/sustanon_injection.htm

 

[bigjohnr]

bump, I was told 1 cc 4X per week for great results. that would be 600 mg per week. Has anyone used this product?
Thanks

 

[BionicBC]

bump, I was told 1 cc 4X per week for great results. that would be 600 mg per week. Has anyone used this product?
Thanks

the prop in the sust blend (and the acetate in the Trinabol blend) causes the initial rise in test levels, but by the time this is decreasing, enough time has passed to allow some of the other esters to release and keep your test levels even. So ed or eod injections would cause an unwanted buildup of the longer acting esters, which will usually lead to unwanted side effects, particularly later on in the cycle.
If youre going to inject 4x a week, or ed, just use tren ace-

 

[krishna]

If you were going to do ed or eod injects, why not stick to Acetate? The whole entire purpose of the blend is to keep levels steady with less frequent injections (long esters), as well as to give the benefit of quicker results in the first few weeks (short esters). The same goes for sustanon. Towards the end of your cycle, your levels would be sky high. With sust, this wouldnt be tooo much of a problem, as your AI's or Nolva dosage could just be increased to compensate, but with something like tren, I imagine the sides would be pretty hard to combat. IMO stick to about a every 5th or 6th day inject.
Bionic

Some people just don't get it bionic! They must of failed logic class.

 

[BionicBC]

Some people just don't get it bionic! They must of failed logic class.

I know figuring out the amount needed to reach desired mg per week can be more complicated when doing a once e5d or e6d inject, and using amps its even harder (but not impossible, save the leftover in pin for next shot..)-But with a multi-dose vial, this is SIMPLE. You can draw up however much is needed
(ie 1.7ml, 2.2ml, whatever...) and save yourself the potential sides from buildup later on in the cycle.
Tren is a great drug IMO, but VERY powerful and NOT to be fucked with-A buildup of too much tren, expecially long-ester tren, means that when all those sides begin to show (and they WILL if your injecting hex ester 4x a week for any amount of time) its gonna take a hell of a lot longer for them to clear than with something like acetate or prop. To each his own, but be careful.
Bionic

 

[Makavelli]

Wrong. This is where people get confused with Sustanon too-they say you need to shoot ed or eod to make good use of the prop. WORD TO THE WISE-THIS ISNT TRUE!
First off, to understand this, you must realize test is test, same goes for tren. Although half-lives/esters may be different, ITS THE SAME THING. Sustanon was invented as a blend to keep blood levels steady with LESS frequent injections. True, the prop in the sust blend (and the acetate in the Trinabol blend) causes the initial rise in test levels, but by the time this is decreasing, enough time has passed to allow some of the other esters to release and keep your test levels even. So ed or eod injections would cause an unwanted buildup of the longer acting esters, which will usually lead to unwanted side effects, particularly later on in the cycle.
Bionic

Here we go again Bio. I'm glad you write it so I don't have to...

 

[BionicBC]

Here we go again Bio. I'm glad you write it so I don't have to...

Sticky-Worthy? Probably not, its more fun typing it out all over again everytime someone tells me theyre gonna run sust or tren enan eod...... ol.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

Listen to you guys with the failed logic class and some people don’t get it. Come on now fellas; this is a helpful thread but don’t get too carried away with patting yourselves on the back. Remember; you are comparing two drugs with an almost entirely different combination of esters. On one hand we have Sustanon; a drug manufactured by a large and very innovative pharmaceutical company with the resources to synthesize a drug like Sustanon, and the R & D to prove their claims of even blood concentrations with less frequent injections. And on the other hand we have Trinabol, created by British Dragon in Thailand.

Besides if we were talking logic, then logic states that 2 + 2 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 + 1. The question becomes; if I choose to inject 4 cc’s of Trinabol a week, does it make more sense to divide those injections into more frequent injections, e.g. 4cc/Week, or 2cc/Mon-Thu, or 1cc… you get my point.

And we would need the graphs showing acetate, depot and hex to prove any argument logical since the thread is about Trinabol NOT Sustanon.

 

[lawnsaver]

Sustanon and why you shouldnt use it by TIG

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Not all test was created equal. Test is Test is Test. As much as this is true we are speaking about raw test or de esterified test. We are not talking about ester bound test.

The purpose when injecting is to do so to keep blood plasma levels as stable and at peak for as long as possible, now we cannot do this with sustanon unless it is injected every other day. If I were to draw a graph on the time release of sustanon it would have Highs & Lows (Ups & Downs). Now the average newbie does not wish to inject on an every other day basis and he certainly doesnt wish to be using that much test for a first or second cycle either. In order to keep blood plasma levels stable and reach a peak as quickly as possible you would have to go about front loading. Again something that should not really be done with sustanon.

I have read sustanon causes less water retention, sustanon causes less chance of getting gyno and less sides overall. This is not true one bit.

250mgs of sust or 250mgs of enanthate?

Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust.

Did I forget to mention the sust flu? The long build up of this? The long duration it takes to leave the body due to the decanoate ester?


Now before I start writing a book on this I want a serious discussion with all you sust lovers

Peace