Trinabol 150 dosing

[artrius]

Ok, so I've managed to find some trinabol 150... I see that you'd want to inject 2x per week, but what dosage would be effective? I know its like comparing apples and oranges, but effective as in 500 mg/wk of tren Enanthate.

 

[ryan04]

That's the BD stuff that has tren acetate, enanthate, and hexa-whaterver-tate, right? Although I'm sure it's good, it seems like you'd be better off sticking with a single esther. The acetate needs to be injected at least every other day, and makes up 50 of the 150 mgs. So if your only shooting 2 x a week, this is a waste of the acetate. Tren acetate also needs to be dosed at about 50-75 mgs. e.d. or e.o.d, so splitting up the shots into half mls would also be a waste.
But if that's what you have, then you've got to work with it. I would probably shoot it every other day, but that's probably pretty expensive.

 

[BionicBC]

That's the BD stuff that has tren acetate, enanthate, and hexa-whaterver-tate, right? Although I'm sure it's good, it seems like you'd be better off sticking with a single esther. The acetate needs to be injected at least every other day, and makes up 50 of the 150 mgs. So if your only shooting 2 x a week, this is a waste of the acetate. Tren acetate also needs to be dosed at about 50-75 mgs. e.d. or e.o.d, so splitting up the shots into half mls would also be a waste.
But if that's what you have, then you've got to work with it. I would probably shoot it every other day, but that's probably pretty expensive.

Wrong. This is where people get confused with Sustanon too-they say you need to shoot ed or eod to make good use of the prop. WORD TO THE WISE-THIS ISNT TRUE!
First off, to understand this, you must realize test is test, same goes for tren. Although half-lives/esters may be different, ITS THE SAME THING. Sustanon was invented as a blend to keep blood levels steady with LESS frequent injections. True, the prop in the sust blend (and the acetate in the Trinabol blend) causes the initial rise in test levels, but by the time this is decreasing, enough time has passed to allow some of the other esters to release and keep your test levels even. So ed or eod injections would cause an unwanted buildup of the longer acting esters, which will usually lead to unwanted side effects, particularly later on in the cycle.
Bionic

 

[Tux]

I'd say 1.5cc's twice a week for you. That would yield 450mg/week, 300 of which would be from the long esters. If it were me, I'd probably do 1cc eod, 525/week.

 

[artrius]

sounds good to me, thanks for the help guys.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

Perfect timing on this thread bro as I was just considering the same thing. As a certified tren-junkie I’ve been considering this blend as well, but like other odd blends the question of what dosing schedule is most effective for even blood concentrations comes into play. I was actually thinking along the same lines as Ryan04; 1cc – eod, e.g. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun, Tue… etc.

Per week; that would work out to 200mg/Ace, 200mg/Depot, 200mg/Hex

Do you disagree with that dosing schedule BionicBC? It certainly doesn’t exceed what I’ve done in the past with ace and depot, but then I’ve never used hex. Thanks.

 

[BionicBC]

Perfect timing on this thread bro as I was just considering the same thing. As a certified tren-junkie I’ve been considering this blend as well, but like other odd blends the question of what dosing schedule is most effective for even blood concentrations comes into play. I was actually thinking along the same lines as Ryan04; 1cc – eod, e.g. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun, Tue… etc.

Per week; that would work out to 200mg/Ace, 200mg/Depot, 200mg/Hex

Do you disagree with that dosing schedule BionicBC? It certainly doesn’t exceed what I’ve done in the past with ace and depot, but then I’ve never used hex. Thanks.

If you were going to do ed or eod injects, why not stick to Acetate? The whole entire purpose of the blend is to keep levels steady with less frequent injections (long esters), as well as to give the benefit of quicker results in the first few weeks (short esters). The same goes for sustanon. Towards the end of your cycle, your levels would be sky high. With sust, this wouldnt be tooo much of a problem, as your AI's or Nolva dosage could just be increased to compensate, but with something like tren, I imagine the sides would be pretty hard to combat. IMO stick to about a every 5th or 6th day inject.
Bionic

 

[benevolent anarchist]

I hear you and I tend to agree which is why I’m just kicking around the idea right now. I’ve used trenbolone acetate a multitude of times, enanthate once, and I am interested in giving parabolin a.k.a. trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate a try.

I also understand and agree with the “test is test”, “tren is tren” argument and it makes perfect logical sense to me. What puzzles me is when I hear from people—veterans like myself no less, claiming something special about the trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate formulation. It reminds me of the testosterone cypionate argument when people refer to it as “enanthate with a kick”. Maybe I’m wrong, but I believe that there’s something there… I just can’t explain it.

 

[BionicBC]

What puzzles me is when I hear from people—veterans like myself no less, claiming something special about the trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate formulation. Maybe I’m wrong, but I believe that there’s something there… I just can’t explain it.

Im not too familiar with the hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ester, but if i recall (correct me if im wrong) its just a longer ester that would require less frequent injections to keep levels steady, and take longer to clear. (Than, say, Enan or Cyp.)

It reminds me of the testosterone cypionate argument when people refer to it as “enanthate with a kick”.

For all prectical purposes, Enanthate and Cypionate are "identical twins."

 

[benevolent anarchist]

Can’t argue that.

 

[Tux]

Enth and cyp are basically the same as enth and hex. Cyp and hex are one carbon longer than enth. That's the only structural difference. As we all know however, a very small difference like that can have a large impact on the individual user. I know I get much better gains from test enth than cyp! Shouldn't be noticeably different but for some reason it always has been. Tren hex and tren enth would likely be the same. Most people shouldn't be able to tell a difference, but some people might have a huge difference in results, you'd just have to try it and see which group you're in!

 

[BionicBC]

Knowledge.

One thing is that Sustanon was developed as a blend of esters to provide even blood levels for longer than standard single long-ester solutions. It was specifically designed to be injected once every 3 weeks (I have a link below and if you search my posts in this forum I did post a pdf link to the package insert from Organon). This is specifically why these esters and the resulting proportions were used. So it is in no way optimized for BBer use or weekly injections. One more thing to consider is that when you look at the different esters a mg to mg comparison doesn't really provide an accurate picture of the composition of the blend. You have to also take ester weight into account. It's significant - look at acetate vs. hept. (parabolan ester I can't spell) the amount of active ingredient per mg after the ester is removed varies significantly - 100mg of acetate is not the same as 100mg of a longer ester. This further squeues the balance toward the shorter esters more than one would think from a simple mg to mg look.

So anyway, that's the jist. It's just not designed for injections more frequent than 1 every 3 weeks. They also have a separate blend for injection every 2 weeks. What does this leave the BBer - the task of figuring out how to best apply a compound not specifically made for their needs. Given the blend and factoring ester weights to really get a good idea makes the calculations onerous. My personal opinion is that it's a hell of a lot easier and often cheaper to use a single ester and manage your frequency. Of course, how big of a deal is it - it's not life or death and obviously good gains can be made using it even 1x per week. As far as what is optimal for even blood levels, given what I've already covered, it's a frequency that balances out the short esters. How much more optimal and is it worth it for people to do it? I don't know (maybe use a spreadsheet, figure the ester weights, apply halflives, calculate the deviations, and chart it) it also likely depends on the person and how much he wants to bother himself with it.

That's my take on sustanon and that's also why you hear people talking about more frequent injections than 1x per week. Obviously from what I presented I think they are correct but I doubt that the majority has any idea and is merely repeating what someone else told them. So anyway, check out the link below and maybe search up the organon document I linked a few months back. I'd love to see such a spreadsheet made up but it's not something to which I'm willing to devote my own time since my involvement is zero. Personally, I think a comprehensive spreadsheet (still an estimate to some degree but a lot more accurate) would be a good basis for decision making and looking into this further. Afterall, this is how they designed the drug in the first place using simple calcs and analytics.

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/images/sustanon_injection.htm

 

[bigjohnr]

bump, I was told 1 cc 4X per week for great results. that would be 600 mg per week. Has anyone used this product?
Thanks

 

[BionicBC]

bump, I was told 1 cc 4X per week for great results. that would be 600 mg per week. Has anyone used this product?
Thanks

the prop in the sust blend (and the acetate in the Trinabol blend) causes the initial rise in test levels, but by the time this is decreasing, enough time has passed to allow some of the other esters to release and keep your test levels even. So ed or eod injections would cause an unwanted buildup of the longer acting esters, which will usually lead to unwanted side effects, particularly later on in the cycle.
If youre going to inject 4x a week, or ed, just use tren ace-

 

[krishna]

If you were going to do ed or eod injects, why not stick to Acetate? The whole entire purpose of the blend is to keep levels steady with less frequent injections (long esters), as well as to give the benefit of quicker results in the first few weeks (short esters). The same goes for sustanon. Towards the end of your cycle, your levels would be sky high. With sust, this wouldnt be tooo much of a problem, as your AI's or Nolva dosage could just be increased to compensate, but with something like tren, I imagine the sides would be pretty hard to combat. IMO stick to about a every 5th or 6th day inject.
Bionic

Some people just don't get it bionic! They must of failed logic class.

 

[BionicBC]

Some people just don't get it bionic! They must of failed logic class.

I know figuring out the amount needed to reach desired mg per week can be more complicated when doing a once e5d or e6d inject, and using amps its even harder (but not impossible, save the leftover in pin for next shot..)-But with a multi-dose vial, this is SIMPLE. You can draw up however much is needed
(ie 1.7ml, 2.2ml, whatever...) and save yourself the potential sides from buildup later on in the cycle.
Tren is a great drug IMO, but VERY powerful and NOT to be fucked with-A buildup of too much tren, expecially long-ester tren, means that when all those sides begin to show (and they WILL if your injecting hex ester 4x a week for any amount of time) its gonna take a hell of a lot longer for them to clear than with something like acetate or prop. To each his own, but be careful.
Bionic

 

[Makavelli]

Wrong. This is where people get confused with Sustanon too-they say you need to shoot ed or eod to make good use of the prop. WORD TO THE WISE-THIS ISNT TRUE!
First off, to understand this, you must realize test is test, same goes for tren. Although half-lives/esters may be different, ITS THE SAME THING. Sustanon was invented as a blend to keep blood levels steady with LESS frequent injections. True, the prop in the sust blend (and the acetate in the Trinabol blend) causes the initial rise in test levels, but by the time this is decreasing, enough time has passed to allow some of the other esters to release and keep your test levels even. So ed or eod injections would cause an unwanted buildup of the longer acting esters, which will usually lead to unwanted side effects, particularly later on in the cycle.
Bionic

Here we go again Bio. I'm glad you write it so I don't have to...

 

[BionicBC]

Here we go again Bio. I'm glad you write it so I don't have to...

Sticky-Worthy? Probably not, its more fun typing it out all over again everytime someone tells me theyre gonna run sust or tren enan eod...... ol.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

Listen to you guys with the failed logic class and some people don’t get it. Come on now fellas; this is a helpful thread but don’t get too carried away with patting yourselves on the back. Remember; you are comparing two drugs with an almost entirely different combination of esters. On one hand we have Sustanon; a drug manufactured by a large and very innovative pharmaceutical company with the resources to synthesize a drug like Sustanon, and the R & D to prove their claims of even blood concentrations with less frequent injections. And on the other hand we have Trinabol, created by British Dragon in Thailand.

Besides if we were talking logic, then logic states that 2 + 2 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 + 1. The question becomes; if I choose to inject 4 cc’s of Trinabol a week, does it make more sense to divide those injections into more frequent injections, e.g. 4cc/Week, or 2cc/Mon-Thu, or 1cc… you get my point.

And we would need the graphs showing acetate, depot and hex to prove any argument logical since the thread is about Trinabol NOT Sustanon.

 

[lawnsaver]

Sustanon and why you shouldnt use it by TIG

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Not all test was created equal. Test is Test is Test. As much as this is true we are speaking about raw test or de esterified test. We are not talking about ester bound test.

The purpose when injecting is to do so to keep blood plasma levels as stable and at peak for as long as possible, now we cannot do this with sustanon unless it is injected every other day. If I were to draw a graph on the time release of sustanon it would have Highs & Lows (Ups & Downs). Now the average newbie does not wish to inject on an every other day basis and he certainly doesnt wish to be using that much test for a first or second cycle either. In order to keep blood plasma levels stable and reach a peak as quickly as possible you would have to go about front loading. Again something that should not really be done with sustanon.

I have read sustanon causes less water retention, sustanon causes less chance of getting gyno and less sides overall. This is not true one bit.

250mgs of sust or 250mgs of enanthate?

Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust.

Did I forget to mention the sust flu? The long build up of this? The long duration it takes to leave the body due to the decanoate ester?


Now before I start writing a book on this I want a serious discussion with all you sust lovers

Peace

 

[turbogreek]

yo boinic...good shit bro. another good post.


as for anarchist...i have to sidagree with this:

Remember; you are comparing two drugs with an almost entirely different combination of esters. On one hand we have Sustanon; a drug manufactured by a large and very innovative pharmaceutical company with the resources to synthesize a drug like Sustanon, and the R & D to prove their claims of even blood concentrations with less frequent injections. And on the other hand we have Trinabol, created by British Dragon in Thailand.

organon just paved the way for utilizing different esters to get the max effect of stable blood levels for test. BD took this theory and also took advantage of the reseach that organon did and put it to use with tren and it totally makes sense.

though...i do see where you're coming from with the following statement:

if we were talking logic, then logic states that 2 + 2 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 + 1. The question becomes; if I choose to inject 4 cc’s of Trinabol a week, does it make more sense to divide those injections into more frequent injections, e.g. 4cc/Week, or 2cc/Mon-Thu, or 1cc… you get my point.

i know that this thread is about tren and not sustanon...but the info relates. i just ordered a bunch of sustanon and was gonna do it 2xweek. now you guys have me all fucked up and i don't know if i should just do it 500mg/1Xweek...or maybe even 1000mg 1X every 2weeks to eliminate the unwanted build up. would this all make sense? this info would be really helpfull for both sust and tren.

 

[turbogreek]

wow...just when i thought i was really confused...lawnsaver posts and makes everything even worse! (but in a good way)

 

[artrius]

Yup, thought I had it, now we got some differing opinions. Guess the only thing to do is try it and figure it out for myself.

 

[turbogreek]

Yup, thought I had it, now we got some differing opinions. Guess the only thing to do is try it and figure it out for myself.

dito...my target start date is may 1st so i have a few more weeks of research to do. i'll see what i come up with.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

yo boinic...good shit bro. another good post.

as for anarchist...i have to sidagree with this:

Originally Posted by benevolent anarchist
Remember; you are comparing two drugs with an almost entirely different combination of esters. On one hand we have Sustanon; a drug manufactured by a large and very innovative pharmaceutical company with the resources to synthesize a drug like Sustanon, and the R & D to prove their claims of even blood concentrations with less frequent injections. And on the other hand we have Trinabol, created by British Dragon in Thailand.

organon just paved the way for utilizing different esters to get the max effect of stable blood levels for test. BD took this theory and also took advantage of the reseach that organon did and put it to use with tren and it totally makes sense.

This is mostly a weekday board for me otherwise I would have replied sooner.

Well turbogreek, I couldn’t disagree with your disagreement any more vehemently. <wink> Although I’m sure British Dragon would be thrilled to hear that you are comparing their company to the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical conglomerate Organon, do we really need to explain this further?

Do you have any idea how expensive it is to perform research and development—especially when we are talking drug research and development which involves live clinical trials on human subjects? Organon has the financial resources to do this—does BD? Organon set up the trails, did the testing and produced a proven blend (30mg of test-prop, 60mg of test-phenylprop, 60mg of test-isocaproate and 100mg of test-decanoate) of test-esters that maintained stable testosterone levels in their subjects. Now BD did what exactly? They threw together 50mg each of tren-ace, enanthate, and hex, and you want me to believe that this combination will produce the same results just because it’s the same general idea or theory as you put it?

I hope that it does. Let me make that clearer; I truly hope that this is the case. As a certified tren-junkie I would like nothing more. The reason I am so interested in this thread is because this product intrigues me. I just need some data showing how this blend affects tren blood concentrations over a weekly period so that I could learn how to properly dose it. And I won’t base it on a comparison to Sustanon which is a completely different combination of esters.

 

[turbogreek]

This is mostly a weekday board for me otherwise I would have replied sooner.

Well turbogreek, I couldn’t disagree with your disagreement any more vehemently. <wink> Although I’m sure British Dragon would be thrilled to hear that you are comparing their company to the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical conglomerate Organon, do we really need to explain this further?

Do you have any idea how expensive it is to perform research and development—especially when we are talking drug research and development which involves live clinical trials on human subjects? Organon has the financial resources to do this—does BD? Organon set up the trails, did the testing and produced a proven blend (30mg of test-prop, 60mg of test-phenylprop, 60mg of test-isocaproate and 100mg of test-decanoate) of test-esters that maintained stable testosterone levels in their subjects. Now BD did what exactly? They threw together 50mg each of tren-ace, enanthate, and hex, and you want me to believe that this combination will produce the same results just because it’s the same general idea or theory as you put it?

I hope that it does. Let me make that clearer; I truly hope that this is the case. As a certified tren-junkie I would like nothing more. The reason I am so interested in this thread is because this product intrigues me. I just need some data showing how this blend affects tren blood concentrations over a weekly period so that I could learn how to properly dose it. And I won’t base it on a comparison to Sustanon which is a completely different combination of esters.

veherently huh? thats a powerful disagreement bro

i see where you're coming from and i concur. there is no comparison between the 2 companies. they both make gear but one has mastered the art and the other is just good and reliable. keep in mind that i have never tried tren. though...if i did...i would wanna try tren hex. i'm not a big fan of pincushions yet.

so...what's your take on a propper sustanon schedule? you're probably one of the guys that would do it eod right? what about my theory of 500mg once/week? you think thats far fetched? BTW...i'm just throwing that out there to see what people think. you see...my sustanon is still in the mail and i'm not sure how i'm gonna take it yet. probably gonna do it E3D.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

I’m not a big fan of sustanon; I’m an old school UpJohn Cypionate guy. I used sustanon only once and did it E5D, which is how I use my cyp.

 

[Nytol2]

As far as real world results are concerned, you are not going to notice a lot of difference, I would go with whichever is cheapest mg for mg, but my choice would be the acetate as the ester is the lightest.

I do know the the BD multi tren is a very painful jab, something to keep in mind.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

As far as real world results are concerned, you are not going to notice a lot of difference, I would go with whichever is cheapest mg for mg, but my choice would be the acetate as the ester is the lightest.

I do know the the BD multi tren is a very painful jab, something to keep in mind.

Totally true my man. I made my decision last night. I’m ‘sticking’ with acetate. I don’t mind the daily sticks.

 

[BionicBC]

Totally true my man. I made my decision last night. I’m ‘sticking’ with acetate. I don’t mind the daily sticks.

I couldnt agree with that decision more... With thinks like test, you can be off in your calculations and just take a lil more AI, nolva, whatever to prevent the possible estrogen buildup. With something like tren, though, you wanna be right on as sides are much harder to control.
Bionic

 

[big_enduro]

This has to be the best thread I've read so far on this board (I'm a new member) but now you have me wanting to ditch my Trinabol 150 and Trenabol Depot (BD) for the acetate version. I do not mind frequest inj's. It seemed more expensive to go the acetate route and less hassle to go with the long acting ester or multi ester. I was just excited as hell that Parabolan was availabe again. I've been out of the AS game for a long time (since '91).

Question: Are the sides of Tren so horrible? I remember the sides of Cyp and Dbol being the worst (in my past experiences long ago). What's the big deal about Tren?

I'm going back to the drawing board and doing the Acetate Tren. If I'm over reacting let me know but it seems like a good idea.

big_enduro

 

[big_enduro]

I just found this post (from another string) which answers my own question about the sides. I'll proceed with caution on the Tren. I don't like the idea of decreased libido or lack of sleep not to mention I might look like a gorilla with all the extra body hair. I've never had these problems before and I don't want to start now.

GOOD:
Good gains. Increased metabolism which leads to fat loss. Very good strength gains. Good pumps.

BAD:
Insomia. Night Sweats. Winded quickly if doing cardio. Hard shutdown. Decreased libido. Increased body hair growth.