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Tren-tfo experience.......

WinnyPumps

WinnyPumps

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Just ordered some Tren-tfo. What results has anyone had from about 4-6 weeks of running it?

Also I am beginning my second week of Test. I am getting my Tren-tfo Thursday, should I run that with my cycle or save it for next time?

Current Cycle:
1-10 Test Cyp 500mg wk
6-11 Var 40mg ed
 
I'd save it and just go with the Var. Unless you're stacking another oral you won't need Liv 52 with Tren TFO. It's not methylated.
 
2evil said:
I'd save it and just go with the Var. Unless you're stacking another oral you won't need Liv 52 with Tren TFO. It's not methylated.
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So you or nobody thinks this product would be beneficial in the beginning of my cycle?
And Anavar at the end
 
It would be fine to use it to kickstart your test cycle. Especially since it normally takes most people 4-6 weeks to really feel the test-cyp kick.

You won't need to take anything else for the test-cyp as tren-tfo is non-methylated. Just continue with the rest of your cycle as planned
 
miplank said:
It would be fine to use it to kickstart your test cycle. Especially since it normally takes most people 4-6 weeks to really feel the test-cyp kick.

You won't need to take anything else for the test-cyp as tren-tfo is non-methylated. Just continue with the rest of your cycle as planned
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Ok will do. I've read about the tren-tfo and it's ingreddients but what realistic gains will I see?
Hardness and maybe a couple pounds? Which is fine with me.
 
WinnyPumps said:
Ok will do. I've read about the tren-tfo and it's ingreddients but what realistic gains will I see?
Hardness and maybe a couple pounds? Which is fine with me.
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Well..That's going to be hard to estimate being that you're stacking it with test. Even tho you don't actually feel the test kick in til week 4/5 it is still working. It will also depend on your diet and your routine. If that is all good you'll put on some decent lean mass, and harden up.

I'd hate to throw a number out tho, but Last time I ran the tren and epistane i put on 12 lbs in 4 weeks and cut a lil bit of bf%.
 
miplank said:
Well..That's going to be hard to estimate being that you're stacking it with test. Even tho you don't actually feel the test kick in til week 4/5 it is still working. It will also depend on your diet and your routine. If that is all good you'll put on some decent lean mass, and harden up.

I'd hate to throw a number out tho, but Last time I ran the tren and epistane i put on 12 lbs in 4 weeks and cut a lil bit of bf%.
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Thanks man, well I'm on my second week right now and am throwing in the tren-tfo for good measure! Hopefully I can enjoy some benefits of it while I wait to start seeing results from Test. Anavar will begin in three weeks! :evil:

My diet and workouts have been pretty good lately. I've been hittin the gym hard for a while now so I am prepared and hoping all lifts go up. I'm 5'10, 195lbs, 12-15% bf.
 
WinnyPumps said:
Thanks man, well I'm on my second week right now and am throwing in the tren-tfo for good measure! Hopefully I can enjoy some benefits of it while I wait to start seeing results from Test. Anavar will begin in three weeks! :evil:

My diet and workouts have been pretty good lately. I've been hittin the gym hard for a while now so I am prepared and hoping all lifts go up. I'm 5'10, 195lbs, 12-15% bf.
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nice bro keep the updates coming.
 
So I'm starting the tren-tfo today before the gym. I also take Amp02 pre workout.
My question is can I take both before the gym and feel fantastic like I'm cumming or is taking both supplements too much? :biggrin:
 
WinnyPumps said:
So you or nobody thinks this product would be beneficial in the beginning of my cycle?
And Anavar at the end
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I missed this somehow, sorry about that. Yeah, you'll like it the way you are running it. I think you'd like having Dermacrine in their too.

This is what I'm planing to do in the fall:

1-10 Test C 600MG
1-8 Tren TFO 90mg Ed
1-3 Deiselbolan 3 ED
8-10 Beastdrol 30 mg ED
PCT is the TRS and 10mg nolva

That should be quite the ride...
 
Been taking 90mg (3pills) of tren-tfo for a few days along with Amp02 before the gym. I gotta say I've been lovin it! I will post in about a week or two on this thread to explain how I'm really feeling on the tren-tfo! I think Amp02 and this shit is sick for pre workout!
In a few weeks the Cyp will be kickin in and I will be throwing Var into the mix!:evil:

1-10 Test Cyp 500mg wk
2-6 Tren-tfo 90mg ed
6-12 Anavar 40mg ed
 
Needto or anyone,
Should I be taking the tren-tfo on non workout days too? So far I have been taking it one hour before workouts like is says on the bottle and taking it in the morning on non workout days.
Is this how I should be doing it?
 
WinnyPumps said:
Needto or anyone,
Should I be taking the tren-tfo on non workout days too? So far I have been taking it one hour before workouts like is says on the bottle and taking it in the morning on non workout days.
Is this how I should be doing it?
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yes this is good.. 3 caps ed
 
2evil said:
I missed this somehow, sorry about that. Yeah, you'll like it the way you are running it. I think you'd like having Dermacrine in their too.

This is what I'm planing to do in the fall:

1-10 Test C 600MG
1-8 Tren TFO 90mg Ed
1-3 Deiselbolan 3 ED
8-10 Beastdrol 30 mg ED
PCT is the TRS and 10mg nolva

That should be quite the ride...
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I'm gonna do the same pct. At what point should I start running hcg and at what dose?
Currently on Test Cyp 500mg wk, 3rd wk
Var starts in 2 weeks
 
Tren-tfo and havoc good together? I ran cyclotren and havoc a little while back and loved the stuff. How would this compare?
 
Up 5-7 lbs on 3rd week of Test Cyp, feeling awesome! Also been on tren-tfo for 6 days. Do you guys think it's the Test kickin in yet or the tren-tfo? Although I have been eating and lifting pretty hard so who the fuck knows.

Just want my Test to start kickin already! :evil:
 
WinnyPumps said:
Up 5-7 lbs on 3rd week of Test Cyp, feeling awesome! Also been on tren-tfo for 6 days. Do you guys think it's the Test kickin in yet or the tren-tfo? Although I have been eating and lifting pretty hard so who the fuck knows.

Just want my Test to start kickin already! :evil:
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Bro the test-c don't kick in any sooner then week 3 and most of the time not till 4-5. But it is working once you inject.

You have effectively used tren-tfo as a kick start and its doing what it should be doing. :evil:
 
needtogetaas said:
Bro the test-c don't kick in any sooner then week 3 and most of the time not till 4-5. But it is working once you inject.

You have effectively used tren-tfo as a kick start and its doing what it should be doing. :evil:
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Sure is! Doing deadlifts, back & bis today. Looking forward to it!
How much weight should I expect to gain with tren-tfo? Can't be more than say 10 lbs can it?
 
WinnyPumps said:
Sure is! Doing deadlifts, back & bis today. Looking forward to it!
How much weight should I expect to gain with tren-tfo? Can't be more than say 10 lbs can it?
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It's not a highly effective mass builder like other orals. 10 lbs would be pushing it. 5 is more realisitc.
 
dmc777 said:
How are you taking these? One in the morning and 2 an hour before workout?
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I take 3 pills one hour before workout and 3 pills in the morning on non workout days.
I'm guessing the weight gain is partially the Test and tren-tfo, however it's only my third week of Test and now up 10lbs! 200-210 lbs since March 9th. My waist is the same size so things are lookin good. Var starts next Monday.

Dabuffguy you're right probably a little water but I have been hittin legs hard twice a week. One heavy session and one higher rep short rest session. I will keep you posted.
 
WinnyPumps said:
I take 3 pills one hour before workout and 3 pills in the morning on non workout days.
I'm guessing the weight gain is partially the Test and tren-tfo, however it's only my third week of Test and now up 10lbs! 200-210 lbs since March 9th. My waist is the same size so things are lookin good. Var starts next Monday.

Dabuffguy you're right probably a little water but I have been hittin legs hard twice a week. One heavy session and one higher rep short rest session. I will keep you posted.
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Why not take one in the morning and 2 before workout? I'm just curious, it seems like you'd want to have a steady concentration of it in your body. Needtoo....what's your thoughts on this?
 
dmc777 said:
Why not take one in the morning and 2 before workout? I'm just curious, it seems like you'd want to have a steady concentration of it in your body. Needtoo....what's your thoughts on this?
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That does make sense. Needto agreed earlier in this thread that I should be doing it the way I do now.
Needto what you think?
 
Another quick question.
Current supps are: Liv 52, multi, creatine, omegas, flax oil, whey, waxy maize.
Anything else I should be taking? More liver care of what?

Test Cyp, tren tfo, Anavar current cycle.
 
Yea you can get some milk thistle as well. Don't think the tren will harm your liver but I'm guessing the Var will. I like to take Acetyl L carnitine or L carnitine as well to help regulate your androgen receptors. It does something like that maybe needtoo can respond cause it seems like i noticed it uses it in one of his products.
 
dmc777 said:
Yea you can get some milk thistle as well. Don't think the tren will harm your liver but I'm guessing the Var will. I like to take Acetyl L carnitine or L carnitine as well to help regulate your androgen receptors. It does something like that maybe needtoo can respond cause it seems like i noticed it uses it in one of his products.
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It does what? I actually have L carnitne but don't use it. Already feel like I eat 50 pills a day anyways.
 
WinnyPumps said:
It does what? I actually have L carnitne but don't use it. Already feel like I eat 50 pills a day anyways.
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Yea Needtoo has L Carnitine L Tartrate in Beastdrol. That's the form I've always looked for but can never find it so I end up getting Acetyl L Carnitine or L Carnitine. It has a number of different roles. I believe mainly in the transport of fatty acids but I remember reading somewhere that it had something to do with hormonal balance and that it "promotes increased androgen receptor levels". That's according to one product using LCLT.
 
dmc777 said:
Yea Needtoo has L Carnitine L Tartrate in Beastdrol. That's the form I've always looked for but can never find it so I end up getting Acetyl L Carnitine or L Carnitine. It has a number of different roles. I believe mainly in the transport of fatty acids but I remember reading somewhere that it had something to do with hormonal balance and that it "promotes increased androgen receptor levels". That's according to one product using LCLT.
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Are you taking the tren-tfo right now? If so how has it been. I have definitely been getting great pumps and more endurance in the gym. I don't know if my weight gain is from that or the Cyp though. Either way feeling great!
 
I have some but haven't started taking it yet. Had planned on it but I'm currently running 50mgs of Dbol daily. Probably start the Tren in 2 weeks. Yeah I would probably attribute the weight gains from the Cyp. I would be nice to continue to gain weight on the Tren tho. Has it broken you out any? That's the only thing I'm worried about. I tend to break out with Nandrolones.
 
dmc777 said:
I have some but haven't started taking it yet. Had planned on it but I'm currently running 50mgs of Dbol daily. Probably start the Tren in 2 weeks. Yeah I would probably attribute the weight gains from the Cyp. I would be nice to continue to gain weight on the Tren tho. Has it broken you out any? That's the only thing I'm worried about. I tend to break out with Nandrolones.
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I used to be prone to acne too. Took Accutane a few years back (derm prescribed) and the shit it awesome. Currently running a mantainance dose of 20mg ed and all is very clear so far. So far I'm very happy with this tren-tfo kickstart.
 
WinnyPumps said:
I used to be prone to acne too. Took Accutane a few years back (derm prescribed) and the shit it awesome. Currently running a mantainance dose of 20mg ed and all is very clear so far. So far I'm very happy with this tren-tfo kickstart.
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You're running accutane right now? I took it in high school as well. It worked, but dried me out like hell!!!
 
dmc777 said:
You're running accutane right now? I took it in high school as well. It worked, but dried me out like hell!!!
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Yea, all I got is dry lips which aren't that bad. Other than that just clear skin. I don't see the point is taking anything if I have acne everywhere. Plus I has acne for a long ass time and I was sick of it.
Oh and today I did start taking 1 tren-tfo in the morning and 2 before workout. Up another 2 lbs after the last few days. About 212 lbs
 
I typically put on around 7-8 lbs i 4wks on the tren-tfo, cyclotren, etc...etc. But I love it for the strenth increases you get from it.
 
miplank said:
I typically put on around 7-8 lbs i 4wks on the tren-tfo, cyclotren, etc...etc. But I love it for the strenth increases you get from it.
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For sure! Yesterday I did shoulders and I was pushing 85's for 10 reps. I have never done those before for dumbell press. The weights don't lie.
 
You guys are getting me excited. I'm cutting right now. Think there's any chance i can put on a couple lbs of muscle in a calorie deficit with this stuff? I know I've heard of people doing that with tren ace but idk much about this stuff.
 
IrishHandGrenade said:
You guys are getting me excited. I'm cutting right now. Think there's any chance i can put on a couple lbs of muscle in a calorie deficit with this stuff? I know I've heard of people doing that with tren ace but idk much about this stuff.
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A few lbs is doable. It'll also help you lean up, and like I said...I love it for the strength increases.

Shoot me a pm, and i'll hook you up w/a discount code
 
miplank said:
A few lbs is doable. It'll also help you lean up, and like I said...I love it for the strength increases.

Shoot me a pm, and i'll hook you up w/a discount code
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Thanks bro, already got some tho. Just trying to decide when to start it. I've heard of some people holding some water on this compound(not tfo specifically). Any reason this should happen? I'll have aromasin on hand, just curious.
 
IrishHandGrenade said:
Thanks bro, already got some tho. Just trying to decide when to start it. I've heard of some people holding some water on this compound(not tfo specifically). Any reason this should happen? I'll have aromasin on hand, just curious.
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You won't need aromasin with this product. People are always petrified of a little water retention, like they're preparing for a contest, lol. Holding a little water is ok with me, I feel stronger and my muscles look more full and pumped.
Tren-tfo will certainly not hold alot of water however with my cycle I'm on now I will be adding adex in a week or two.
 
WinnyPumps said:
You won't need aromasin with this product. People are always petrified of a little water retention, like they're preparing for a contest, lol. Holding a little water is ok with me, I feel stronger and my muscles look more full and pumped.
Tren-tfo will certainly not hold alot of water however with my cycle I'm on now I will be adding adex in a week or two.
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As a matter of fact, I'm participating in the EF Get Ready for Summer Contest and plan on peaking as if I was preparing for a show. Also, water retention would indicate that estrogen is elevated at least somewhat and as I'm very gyno prone I plan on keeping that to a minimum. Bloat also makes it harder to monitor progress while cutting. Especially when trying to adjust calories based on current condition.
 
IrishHandGrenade said:
As a matter of fact, I'm participating in the EF Get Ready for Summer Contest and plan on peaking as if I was preparing for a show. Also, water retention would indicate that estrogen is elevated at least somewhat and as I'm very gyno prone I plan on keeping that to a minimum. Bloat also makes it harder to monitor progress while cutting. Especially when trying to adjust calories based on current condition.
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Good point and good luck in the contest. I wish I took a before picture a few weeks ago for this contest.
 
I have been trying 1 pill of tren-tfo in the morning and 2 before workout. In my opinion taking all three at once 1 hour before workout seems much more effective. It really does
 
Out of curiousity how does it seem more effective taking 3 at once. You just feel stronger and have more energy or what?
What is the half life of Tren-tfo? Also, when is peak blood plasma concentration? That should tell you exactly when to take it.
 
dmc777 said:
Out of curiousity how does it seem more effective taking 3 at once. You just feel stronger and have more energy or what?
What is the half life of Tren-tfo? Also, when is peak blood plasma concentration? That should tell you exactly when to take it.
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Needto will have to answer your questions and I am interested in that too. But when I take 3 pills before workout there seems to be a big difference for obvious reasons. My pump stays way longer, stronger in the gym, more endurance. Plus I've been running amp02 pre workout. Those two products together will have you going bananas! I tried the one in the morning and two before workout for about 4 days and wasn't feeling it as much during the day or half as much during workouts. Just my opinion
 
How much strength gains have been made for those of you that have tried tren-tfo??
I'm just asking cause I can't tell if it's the Test or the tren-tfo. I know it's obvious both have something to do with it but DAM!
I was workin out back and bi's today and was lifting some heavy ass weights I have never done before! It's awesome!!!
On 4th week of Test, 3rd week tren-tfo.
 
WinnyPumps said:
How much strength gains have been made for those of you that have tried tren-tfo??
I'm just asking cause I can't tell if it's the Test or the tren-tfo. I know it's obvious both have something to do with it but DAM!
I was workin out back and bi's today and was lifting some heavy ass weights I have never done before! It's awesome!!!
On 4th week of Test, 3rd week tren-tfo.
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I would say that's the Test kicking in.....but I haven't tried Tren-tfo long enough to give a definate answer.
 
dmc777 said:
That's exactly what I'm doing. Started the Tren-tfo today and have 2 weeks left on the dbol.
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That's an aswesome mix. I have never tried dbol yet but I will next time. I'm doing almost the same, test/tren-tfo/anavar next week.
Well so far so good, I'm getting strong as shit, gained about 7-8lbs and just started my 4th week. I think yeserday was when I really started feeling the Test cause I could have stayed in the gym for 3 hours throwing weights around, lol.
Surprisingly I have not had any water retention, maybe a little bit in the 2nd week. Didn't gain much weight last week, maybe 1-2 lbs. I'm not sure if it's the tren-tfo keeping me more solid looking but it's something. I haven't even started taking Adex yet nor will I until I have to.

Currently: 210 lbs
Started: 202 lbs
 
WinnyPumps said:
That's an aswesome mix. I have never tried dbol yet but I will next time. I'm doing almost the same, test/tren-tfo/anavar next week.
Well so far so good, I'm getting strong as shit, gained about 7-8lbs and just started my 4th week. I think yeserday was when I really started feeling the Test cause I could have stayed in the gym for 3 hours throwing weights around, lol.
Surprisingly I have not had any water retention, maybe a little bit in the 2nd week. Didn't gain much weight last week, maybe 1-2 lbs. I'm not sure if it's the tren-tfo keeping me more solid looking but it's something. I haven't even started taking Adex yet nor will I until I have to.

Currently: 210 lbs
Started: 202 lbs
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Yea I average about 2lbs a week when I'm on. Sometimes a little more. I'd say you're probably holding a little water though especially since you're not taking the adex yet. Hell it's almost impossible not to. I always think I don't gain any water weight when I'm on til I dramatically drop about 6lbs quickly at the end of the cycle lol. Keep us updated bro.
 
dmc777 said:
Yea I average about 2lbs a week when I'm on. Sometimes a little more. I'd say you're probably holding a little water though especially since you're not taking the adex yet. Hell it's almost impossible not to. I always think I don't gain any water weight when I'm on til I dramatically drop about 6lbs quickly at the end of the cycle lol. Keep us updated bro.
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Lol me and you seem to have the same interest in threads! I see dmc777 everywhere, good shit.
Yea I guess your right about a little water, it's just that I'm in my 4th week now and haven't really had the ''dramatic week'' yet.
When do you usually start to see the test really ''kickin in''?? Should be about now right? I mean I can feel it now and I'm getting stronger, I just haven't gained alot yet and my diet has been pretty disciplined.
 
Yes it should be kicking at its' peak right about now. Atleast in my experience. My first cycle I couldn't really tell much difference til about the 4th week or so. I mean, you're not going to be overwhelmed with a feeling or anything you'll just notice that are getting stronger, have more endurance, horny as hell all the time, got a little bit of chip on your shoulder, and in a mood. That's what my first cycle was like and really haven't that good in any cycle since.I don't think I ever gained anymore than 4lbs a week tops. Usually I'd average 2lbs a week beginning about the 3rd week in. For me, gains would start to hinder around the 8th or 9th week. Yea I'm seeing your name in every thread I go to as well bro lol!
 
dmc777 said:
Yes it should be kicking at its' peak right about now. Atleast in my experience. My first cycle I couldn't really tell much difference til about the 4th week or so. I mean, you're not going to be overwhelmed with a feeling or anything you'll just notice that are getting stronger, have more endurance, horny as hell all the time, got a little bit of chip on your shoulder, and in a mood. That's what my first cycle was like and really haven't that good in any cycle since.I don't think I ever gained anymore than 4lbs a week tops. Usually I'd average 2lbs a week beginning about the 3rd week in. For me, gains would start to hinder around the 8th or 9th week. Yea I'm seeing your name in every thread I go to as well bro lol!
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Well then I guess the test is doing it's job. Endurance is sick, it seems I'm getting stronger every workout, definitely horny but I always am. I have noticed my self getting caught starring at chicks more often at the gym. And I have been talking to this chick more often that I usually do, she has a big old ass but nice. I do feel a chip on my shoulder.
Well dam I guess so! This is my second cycle by the way, but my first was about 4 years ago. Forgot the great feeling. I'm not weighing myself till the end of the week this time.

As for the tren-tfo I've been sticking to the 3 pills before the gym. It's just my opinion that it works better for me. Did 90lb dumbell shoulder presses today for 12 reps. Never done that before. I do 2 pills in the morning and 1 in the afternoon non-workout days. The pumps are awesome and last way longer I feel alot harder. So far so good!
 
the.gladiator1987 said:
Good job bro! How old are you?

Most I did was 90x4. Then i went to jail, but I just started a test/dbol/tren-tfo cycle and Im doing shoulders today. Its around 75x8, Im 5'9" 173 lbs.

Have fun with your cycle! Nothing like being ON!!! :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
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That's good, you seem pretty strong for your size, nice! I'm 26, 5'9'', 210lbs on my second cycle. The first was when I was in college and had no clue what I was doing but still gained about 15 pounds, lol. Lost about 5lbs.
Yea I have really been getting stronger every workout, it's frickin crazy. Next shoulder workout I'm going for the 100's!
 
WinnyPumps said:
That's good, you seem pretty strong for your size, nice! I'm 26, 5'9'', 210lbs on my second cycle. The first was when I was in college and had no clue what I was doing but still gained about 15 pounds, lol. Lost about 5lbs.
Yea I have really been getting stronger every workout, it's frickin crazy. Next shoulder workout I'm going for the 100's!
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just a word to the wise...


Be careful on your lifts. Your strength increases so fast it's no problem for your muscles, but your tendons/ligaments are another story. Listen to your body!
 
miplank said:
just a word to the wise...


Be careful on your lifts. Your strength increases so fast it's no problem for your muscles, but your tendons/ligaments are another story. Listen to your body!
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Your right, it's just so hard to slow down. I have been gradually increasing the weight though. Nothing crazy, except when I tried to deadlift some chicks car in the parking lot to show off, lol.
 
the.gladiator1987 said:
LOL whats been wrong with the cycle? 15lbs is good!

Have you started the tren-tfo yet?
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Na it's not the weight it's just complications with my gear and ancillaries. Got 2 bottles of enth from my bud and he ended up dropping 1 of them. Ordered me another one and they sent me Cyp. So I went from enth to cyp and now I'm having to get another bottle of Enth cause I can't find anymore Cyp. Also, the first bottle was 2ccs short and the 2nd bottle was 3 and a half ccs short! Not to mention the hcg I got is expired I believe and my Dbol was 3 weeks late coming in. Needless to say Im switching sources. Started the Tren-tfo Monday. I will give my thoughts on it after 2 weeks. But...I will say that I seem slightly more toned this week. Don't know, maybe a loss of some water weight but I haven't lost any weight.
 
dmc777 said:
Na it's not the weight it's just complications with my gear and ancillaries. Got 2 bottles of enth from my bud and he ended up dropping 1 of them. Ordered me another one and they sent me Cyp. So I went from enth to cyp and now I'm having to get another bottle of Enth cause I can't find anymore Cyp. Also, the first bottle was 2ccs short and the 2nd bottle was 3 and a half ccs short! Not to mention the hcg I got is expired I believe and my Dbol was 3 weeks late coming in. Needless to say Im switching sources. Started the Tren-tfo Monday. I will give my thoughts on it after 2 weeks. But...I will say that I seem slightly more toned this week. Don't know, maybe a loss of some water weight but I haven't lost any weight.
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Damn that is some fucked up shit!

Sorry for all the complications LOL

Cant wait to try the tren! I think Im gonna run on it and tweak my diet to get cut up, dont know yet though might just keep it a 12 week bulker
 
dmc777 said:
Na it's not the weight it's just complications with my gear and ancillaries. Got 2 bottles of enth from my bud and he ended up dropping 1 of them. Ordered me another one and they sent me Cyp. So I went from enth to cyp and now I'm having to get another bottle of Enth cause I can't find anymore Cyp. Also, the first bottle was 2ccs short and the 2nd bottle was 3 and a half ccs short! Not to mention the hcg I got is expired I believe and my Dbol was 3 weeks late coming in. Needless to say Im switching sources. Started the Tren-tfo Monday. I will give my thoughts on it after 2 weeks. But...I will say that I seem slightly more toned this week. Don't know, maybe a loss of some water weight but I haven't lost any weight.
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That blows! I would be so pissed, 3.5 cc's short?? :mad: I have to get another bottle too cause I was overdrawing the first week or two. It was basically an accideal frontload, lol.
The tren-tfo is going well. The weird thing is I felt better last week than I do this week. Still getting stronger but just haven't had that great feeling I did last week. It's my fourth week now so I should be packing on some pounds any day now!
When did your Test kick in?
 
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