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Transdermal Test/EQ and Oral Var Log

Jbranken

Jbranken

High End Bro
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6'2
225
13%

Today is day one of experimenting with a few of the new transdermals to test their effectiveness. Ill start the cycle using only the transdermals to see how they do alone, then I'll be running an oral from the same lab as a finisher and an a.i. that is also from this lab. I thought I'd do a simple log so others who are interested in these particular products can see their effects. Goal is a recomp.

Ill apply the transdermals twice each day: once upon waking and once post workout after my evening shower. To improve the amount of absorption, I'll be rotating about 5-6 application areas on my body, keeping them shaved, and cleaning the areas with alcohol or showering before applying. (thanks to notjake for this info)

The setup will look like this:

Week 1-12
Transdermal Test: 1ml x2 ED
Week 1-12
Transdermal EQ: 1ml x2 ED
Week 6-12
Anavar: 80mg ED
Week 1-12
Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD

On Cycle Supps:
Week 1-12: N2Guard, N2slin, BCAA, Glutamine, Flax oil, b6, b12, vit C, kre alkaline, etc.
Week 6-12: HCGenerate ES

PCT:
Forma stanzol
Methyl eaa
Test infusion
MHO Poppers
Forged Post Cycle
Keto Burn
N2Slin
BCAA
Glutamine
Creatine
Ostarine
Mk677

Bridge: osta/mk677/gw/s4 and some of the above supps
 
Are you getting pre and mid cycle bloods? Have you ran these three aas before so you know what it's supposed to fee like ?
 
Idobehigh said:
Are you getting pre and mid cycle bloods? Have you ran these three aas before so you know what it's supposed to fee like ?
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I've ran a lot of different shit lol not eq though. If I'm getting steady strength and size gains then I won't concern myself with bloodwork during the cycle. If things aren't going right then I may
 
I'm excited to report that you can feel these transdermals working almost immediately. I didn't feel a whole lot after the first two applications yesterday but after I applied it this morning, holy crap...Energy, aggression, hunger, alertness, good mood etc...Definitely the 'on' feeling that we all seek out when using any aas and this feels no different.

I had low expectations of feeling anything this fast so it's not placebo, it just kinda came on about 45 min after applying. I guess it makes sense with no ester attached. Should be an interesting few months.
 
JB, did you get the grapefruit extract caps with your order? I know he just got them maybe 10 days ago so I hope you got in on them.
 
You are going to love this run man - I'm looking forward to following along.

And shit I didn't hear about the grapefruit extract caps. Hmm. . . .
 
Yea I got the grapefruit caps! They threw them in for free so that was pretty cool
 
Im gonna be following this. Am gonna b doin a trans test cycle. How much does 1ml=to mg? And if u could give an update as to the percentage of absorption u think ur getting...guesstimate if possible

Sent from my SPH-L710 using EliteFitness
 
notjake11 said:
Jb - take a look at the results of my cycle (still ongoing) and you'll see just what you're in for. :)
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I've been following close bro. i also went over your part 1 thread again to pick up more tips. They definitely got the delivery method right this time with this stuff. I just make sure to quickly run a razor over my application areas when I shower each day and keep them fresh
 
NegroPops said:
How's that MK-677 going? You still running it?
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I actually just stopped it the day of this cycle. I ran it for about 4 1/2 months so ill take a break from it during this 12 weeker then probably pick It back up during pct along with ostarine and continue running it with with my sarms bridge
 
joonp said:
Im gonna be following this. Am gonna b doin a trans test cycle. How much does 1ml=to mg? And if u could give an update as to the percentage of absorption u think ur getting...guesstimate if possible

Sent from my SPH-L710 using EliteFitness
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Honestly, I'm not sure lol. They kinda laid the cycle out for me since I'm not experienced with the transdermals. I'm sure notjake knows the exact amounts. As far as what's absorbed, it all depends on how you take care of the application areas. Shave them and wipe with alcohol before applying and you'll feel it almost mmediately after
 
Idobehigh said:
I see hcgenerate es on cycle, do you not plan on blasting hcg before pct? What's your reasoning behind this?
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Running HCGen on cycle helps keep the boys full and plump (and keeps the loads proper size). It also just helps you generally feel better - not sure the chemical reasoning behind why but I ran a bottle of HCGenerate in my current cycle and it made a huge difference.
 
So 2ml a day is 14ml in a week is this equivalent to 500mg of test? Sorry about the question just trying to understand how much you are taking on a weekly bases
 
Idobehigh said:
So 2ml a day is 14ml in a week is this equivalent to 500mg of test? Sorry about the question just trying to understand how much you are taking on a weekly bases
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It's 50mg/ml bro. That's 700mg each week but with the absorption rates im guessing its more like 500mg. That's all guessing on my part, maybe jake will clear it up
 
Jbranken said:
It's 50mg/ml bro. That's 700mg each week but with the absorption rates im guessing its more like 500mg. That's all guessing on my part, maybe jake will clear it up
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Ya sorry bro I as fully asked on his log as well to get your both opinions he said 700mg a week as well.
 
Looking forward to following along, it's pretty well known my stance on these transdermals and where they originate :) kill it!
 
Thanks to those who are following. You really can feel them work within 30-60 min after application. Keeping the application areas shaved then following up with an alcohol wipe is key but also a bit inconvenient when applying twice a day. That doesn't mean they aren't worth the effort, because they work. If pinning isnt an option for someone for whatever reason, this is definitely the way to go.

The more application areas you have, the better this works. I'm using two compounds so it works out that when applying one compound to the left side, I just apply the other on the right. Using more than 2 compounds may make this process a bit more complicated because you'll be hitting the areas too often which is what you don't want. I've been applying In this order: shoulders, bi/tri, lats, hips, hamstrings, back knee/feet.
 
Sub'd for this one. Have lined up my own transdermal test and Eq cycle for later in the year. So far, the advice and service of the supplier has been unparalleled - he is so obliging, helpful and reliable. Way to go.

My goods are all ready to go - am going to use his Test, Eq, Aromasin and Clomid plus will run his Albuterol on my Sarms bridge starting in a month.

Cant wait for Nov to hit this stuff hard. Will be watching JB closely to get his take and results.

Enjoy bro
 
Anybody tried the primo? I'd love to use it, but I'm hesitant because of its high MW. It's up in the 400's. I'm unsure of absorption rates at that weight.
 
How is the EQ working for you? Curious to see if you are getting EQ-like results such as insane vascularity and striations? Hunger pains?
EQ one of the reasons I loved it, was that it almost appeared to create new veins (more than you already had), I know that it is just veins coming out from under the muscle or whatever and that new veins weren't created but it really appeared that way.

I am thinking about trying the Trans EQ and want to nail down the optimal dosing........
 
srfskr said:
Sub'd for this one. Have lined up my own transdermal test and Eq cycle for later in the year. So far, the advice and service of the supplier has been unparalleled - he is so obliging, helpful and reliable. Way to go.

My goods are all ready to go - am going to use his Test, Eq, Aromasin and Clomid plus will run his Albuterol on my Sarms bridge starting in a month.

Cant wait for Nov to hit this stuff hard. Will be watching JB closely to get his take and results.

Enjoy bro
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I agree 110%. Anytime I had a question, he immediately replied to my emails. I've never seen customer service so fast and reliable.
 
MrSinister said:
Anybody tried the primo? I'd love to use it, but I'm hesitant because of its high MW. It's up in the 400's. I'm unsure of absorption rates at that weight.
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Interesting thought. I didn't even know he had primo! I'd love to see someone log it
 
ballslee said:
How is the EQ working for you? Curious to see if you are getting EQ-like results such as insane vascularity and striations? Hunger pains?
EQ one of the reasons I loved it, was that it almost appeared to create new veins (more than you already had), I know that it is just veins coming out from under the muscle or whatever and that new veins weren't created but it really appeared that way.

I am thinking about trying the Trans EQ and want to nail down the optimal dosing........
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Ill let you know for sure. It has only been 5 days since I started but ill report everything I experience. My strength is moving up in the gym already and I can feel the aggression I notmally feel on test. Hopefully I won't experience much anxiety or bp issues from the eq
 
I'm running his primo and tren trans along with his inject tren a, test p, and mast p

I'm doing 50mg primo ed and 50mg tren ed to complement the 100mg tren a eod and 100mg mast p eod

Im actually running most of his gear/ancillaries
 
I was doing a little reading on transdermals, I found a few threads where guys on trt were taking androgel and there levels were coming back 350-750 range and one guy was using a moisturizer before the androgel and his levels were coming back 1300 he stopped the moisturizer and his levels dropped to 750. It seems the moisturizer opens the pours in the skin and absorbs more of the transdermal, I figured I would share it with you
 
Alphacore200 said:
I'm running his primo and tren trans along with his inject tren a, test p, and mast p

I'm doing 50mg primo ed and 50mg tren ed to complement the 100mg tren a eod and 100mg mast p eod

Im actually running most of his gear/ancillaries
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Let me know what you think of the primo. I'd really prefer to run that with transdermal var I already have.
 
Idobehigh said:
I was doing a little reading on transdermals, I found a few threads where guys on trt were taking androgel and there levels were coming back 350-750 range and one guy was using a moisturizer before the androgel and his levels were coming back 1300 he stopped the moisturizer and his levels dropped to 750. It seems the moisturizer opens the pours in the skin and absorbs more of the transdermal, I figured I would share it with you
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Good find. This is why I shower, shave and use rubbing alcohol on areas before I apply the transdermals. Opening the pores is a sure way to absorb more
 
Idobehigh said:
I was doing a little reading on transdermals, I found a few threads where guys on trt were taking androgel and there levels were coming back 350-750 range and one guy was using a moisturizer before the androgel and his levels were coming back 1300 he stopped the moisturizer and his levels dropped to 750. It seems the moisturizer opens the pours in the skin and absorbs more of the transdermal, I figured I would share it with you
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Also look into Phlojel.
 
Agent Yolked said:
Any updates?
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Starting to push out more reps on big lifts which is great progress. Still experiencing more DOMS than I'd like to so hopefully ill see improvements soon. My favorite part of cycling is increased volume so DOMS is definitely a hindrance to that
 
This should be a good log. The DSMO version of the gels actually did give me some skin rash/hive reactions which is unheard of with this product but I do have very sensitive skin and within less than an hour of contacting them about the issue they replied to me and started working to resolve the problem. I received the new product within 4 days of my first contact about the issue and the new product I received has no more issues of rash/hive and dries super fast. The customer service is more than top notch, it's the best I have ever dealt with hands down. I have to deal with customers at work on a daily basis and I know how tedious it can be and these guys deliver time and time again.
 
How hard or easy is it to apply the lotion/gel and rotate the sights with the test and anavar? Do you apply them at the same time or do you apply one during the day and the other at night?
 
Agent Yolked said:
How hard or easy is it to apply the lotion/gel and rotate the sights with the test and anavar? Do you apply them at the same time or do you apply one during the day and the other at night?
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You mean test and eq? My var is oral and starts in week 6

Ill give you a rundown of how I do it. It's fairly simple once you get into a routine. I wake up and go into the bathroom and grab a razor. I wet it and quickly run it over the area im about to apply on. This gets rid of excess hair and dead skin which helps absorption. I rotate shoulders/traps, bi/tri, lats, hips, glutes, hamstring. If shoulders are next up in the rotation, Ill run the razor over my right and left shoulders and wipe them with alcohol after. Ill apply test on the right and eq on the left.

In the evening after I workout, ill shower and shave the next area for application which is my bi/tri. Ill shave the right and left. Once I'm out of the shower ill dry off and wipe them with alcohol and apply test on the right and eq on the left. The next morning ill do right and left lats then that evening ill do hips. It dries fairly quick. That's how I do the rotation :)
 
Agent Yolked said:
Any new updates? Love to hear what's been new with transdermals
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Sho nuff. I'm in the beginning of week 3

So after the first week I had dropped a few lbs so I tweaked my diet a bit. Upped my protein and complex carbs and my weight went up to 226 quickly then leveled back out at 225. I've lost noticeable amounts of fat at my waist and my definition is improving overall. This is a successful recomp thus far.

I've been keeping my reps in the 6-10 range for a while and going heavy as hell trying to keep them closer to 6-8 reps to build strength. I've been making great strength gains in this rep range for a few months and since the cycle start, but I'm going to shift my routine to a high rep scheme, per Ledhead. His high rep scheme has treated him and other BB'ers very well as far as growth and I'd like to give it a shot rather than staying in the traditional 6-12 range. Ill be shooting for 15 reps during workouts and see what kinds of results I get. Ill update soon
 
jon said:
Transdermal is a very viable form of delivery for hormones that have poor oral bioavailability. Transdermals have been used for years with great success. Granted, you need to use more hormone due to dismal absorption rates but the cost of non-estered base hormones is usually much less than estered counterparts and offsets any issue.

Do not use alcohol based carriers. Do not applly alcohol to areas. Alcohol only servesd to dry area which will in turn decrease absorption. Apply in areas that have ample blood flow...inside forearms, clavicle, calves, inner thigh.

I haven't been on forum in a while but I have played with transdermals and had excellent results.
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I found this on another forum a long with a few people agreeing with him, figured I would see your thoughts
 
Idobehigh said:
I found this on another forum a long with a few people agreeing with him, figured I would see your thoughts
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Nice find. The thought behind the alcohol was opening up the pores so I wonder how much truth there is to it
 
Jbranken said:
Nice find. The thought behind the alcohol was opening up the pores so I wonder how much truth there is to it
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Plenty of truth to it. Your pores don't have muscle tissues, therefore they can't actually "open" and "close". They can only stretch along with your skin. Taking a hot shower "opens" them because the skin retains water which will stretch it while the heat helps expand te retention further. This is also why there were reports that moisturizing helps as well, as it increases elasticity of the skin, allowing it to stretch further. Alcohol cleanses pores well, but it zaps the water out of them as well, therefore "closing" pores.

Normally alcohol would help remove any excess bacteria and dirt, which both hinder absorption, but seeing that your exfoliating (shaving) beforehand make alcohol unnecessary.

All that being said I have no idea how much of influence alcohol would really make on the absorption rate.

Also, maybe you could try putting it on them family jewels, I thought it was funny they posted that find on the forums, as it is a highly absorbent spot. The whole shaving the sac itself gives me the creeps tho.:0
 
Cipp21 said:
Plenty of truth to it. Your pores don't have muscle tissues, therefore they can't actually "open" and "close". They can only stretch along with your skin. Taking a hot shower "opens" them because the skin retains water which will stretch it while the heat helps expand te retention further. This is also why there were reports that moisturizing helps as well, as it increases elasticity of the skin, allowing it to stretch further. Alcohol cleanses pores well, but it zaps the water out of them as well, therefore "closing" pores.

Normally alcohol would help remove any excess bacteria and dirt, which both hinder absorption, but seeing that your exfoliating (shaving) beforehand it is unnecessary.

All that being said I have no idea how much of influence alcohol would really make on the absorption rate.

Also, maybe you could try putting it on them family jewels, I thought it was funny they posted that find on the forums, as it is a highly absorbent spot. The whole shaving the sac itself gives me the creeps tho.
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Another good post. Thanks for sharing that! Ill read a little more and maybe try it without the alcohol for a week and feel for differences then report back
 
Update:

Everything is going smooth. I'm 19 days in and have increased strength and made noticable size gains. Vascularity has improved a great deal as well. Having slight insomnia some nights when anxiety kicks in and sometimes night sweats but that's pretty normal for me. I'm also impressed with the fat loss I've experienced. My aromasin is definitely g2g as well. This has been a great recomp so far. Can't wait to throw in my old friend var
 
Agent Yolked said:
So what's been new in the transdermal game. Any new updates?
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Good things happening. This transdermal run was all just an experiment but surprisingly turned out to be a pretty decent cycle, so I'm very pleased.

My weight has been steadily increasing along with my lifts. Body fat was dropping for a while but has slowed after adjusting calories a bit towards the lean bulk end. I wake up before my 5am alarm every morning, and sometimes a few hours prior so that kind of sucks but other than that, sides are minimum.

It was becoming difficult to ejaculate as well so I threw in some hcgen ES and I'm back up to par. Ill also be throwing in some proviron at 75mg Ed with my var so the last 6 weeks should be a fun ride
 
El Hefe said:
So what are your thoughts so far on the transdermal EQ?
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I think it'd be great for kickstarting an IM eq cycle since eq's effects generally take quite some time to notice. But even the transdermal as a stand alone would produce favorable results. The biggest problem I have is that doses can be off depending on how the hormone is mixed in the dsmo gel. I definitely get anxiety and lose sleep on this shit though, so if you're asking if its legit, yes.
 
Gains have been pretty steady but not really comparable to injectables. Showering twice ED and applying the transdermal twice ED is also a pain. I also feel I'm getting more of the dosage depending on the day and application areas used that day.

I started Var a week ago and my strength/hardness/vascularity is already increasing but if it weren't for the var, my results wouldn't be nearly as dramatic by the end of this run. Other than that, I have experienced some decent gains on the transdermals alone so i'd imagine that it's a great way for a beginner to get their feet wet, especially with fresh receptors. That being said, it will probably be the last time I run a cycle based on transdermals alone.

Injectable compounds with the transdermal version of orals is probably the best way to utilize them. Or, using them to kick start the long estered versions of themselves. I've felt pretty damn good on the whole run though
 
2ml whole time. 1ml of each in the morning, 1ml of each in the evening
 
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