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Deca caused my anus to change colors rapidly
Top Reasons Why Testosterone is a Bad Choice!!
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Dr.RobertBanner
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Hmm, never tried deca but will (with test in a few weeks). But I still think test is one of the best AAS we have, and should be the base of almost all serious bulking cycles.
Test is:
-cheap
-very effective
-an all round useful drug (cutting/bulking)
-side effects can be controlled fairly easily
-easy to get
-one of the few AAS that is great all by itself (along with tren)
-the only AAS that works as a Class 1 and Class 2 drug
Das my 2 cents!
Test is:
-cheap
-very effective
-an all round useful drug (cutting/bulking)
-side effects can be controlled fairly easily
-easy to get
-one of the few AAS that is great all by itself (along with tren)
-the only AAS that works as a Class 1 and Class 2 drug
Das my 2 cents!
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Lots of thought provoking info in this thread.
Discussion is an exchange of knowledge, argument an exchange of ignorance
WOW!
You guys are confusing us newbies big time! It is good and welcomed that we see debates here, but what is interesting, that EliteFitness's own Drug Prifiles doesn't mention ANY of the side effects that you talk about Deca...
"Side Effects:
Deca can be used by almost all athletes, with positive results and very few side effects. The drug is a moderate androgen, highly anabolic compound. It has minimal liver toxicity and only aromatizes in excessive dosages. Deca does have an effect on the body's natural hormone axis yet it is not nearly as pronounced as it is with drugs like testosterone. Unfortunately, Deca has very stubborn metabolites which have been known to show up on a steroid test as long as 12 months after it was administered. This, in combination with the number of athletes using it, has contributed to its showing up on more steroid tests than any other compound. For this reason, any athlete that has the potential of being subjected to a steroid test should not be using Deca. For those who are not steroid tested, it remains the number one choice."
yet, a shitload of se on test
" Side Effects:
Like all testosterones, Cypionate is greatly androgenic, extremely anabolic, amortizes easily, and is moderately liver toxic. The high conversion to estrogen can lead to gynocomastia and fat storage. Cypionate causes the body to retain significant amounts of water and electrolytes a characteristic favored by some and opposed by others. Higher dosages can lead to a decreased sperm count and decreased natural testosterone production. Currently, research is being performed to use testosterones as male birth control due to the temporary reduction in sperm counts observed in those on testosterone therapy. Reports indicate that as birth control, testosterone is more effective than the pill and condoms and that it is reversable upon cessation of use. In those predisposed to hypertension, testosterone can lead to high blood pressure. In adolescents, it can lead to premature stoppage in growth. Increased aggressiveness, although exaggerated by the media, can become more pronounced with testosterone Cypionate . Hair loss and deepening of the voice sometimes occurr."
than similar side effects on enanthate and propionate.
Not sure why you all blasted 2Thick like that, but all is fair in love and war I guess. Now I see that Sustanone's reviews states...
"Side Effects:
Because Sustanon is effective at lower doses, users report fewer side effects. IE: less aromatization, less water retention, less liver stress, and less endocrine system disturbances. Users report the usual irritability and aggressiveness with Sustanon as with other testosterones."
So it appears that the safest approach would be a test combo like Sustanon, or this is just another misconseption?
And let me finish by saying that tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another’s beliefs, practices and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.
Thank you, Tigrones
WOW!
You guys are confusing us newbies big time! It is good and welcomed that we see debates here, but what is interesting, that EliteFitness's own Drug Prifiles doesn't mention ANY of the side effects that you talk about Deca...
"Side Effects:
Deca can be used by almost all athletes, with positive results and very few side effects. The drug is a moderate androgen, highly anabolic compound. It has minimal liver toxicity and only aromatizes in excessive dosages. Deca does have an effect on the body's natural hormone axis yet it is not nearly as pronounced as it is with drugs like testosterone. Unfortunately, Deca has very stubborn metabolites which have been known to show up on a steroid test as long as 12 months after it was administered. This, in combination with the number of athletes using it, has contributed to its showing up on more steroid tests than any other compound. For this reason, any athlete that has the potential of being subjected to a steroid test should not be using Deca. For those who are not steroid tested, it remains the number one choice."
yet, a shitload of se on test
" Side Effects:
Like all testosterones, Cypionate is greatly androgenic, extremely anabolic, amortizes easily, and is moderately liver toxic. The high conversion to estrogen can lead to gynocomastia and fat storage. Cypionate causes the body to retain significant amounts of water and electrolytes a characteristic favored by some and opposed by others. Higher dosages can lead to a decreased sperm count and decreased natural testosterone production. Currently, research is being performed to use testosterones as male birth control due to the temporary reduction in sperm counts observed in those on testosterone therapy. Reports indicate that as birth control, testosterone is more effective than the pill and condoms and that it is reversable upon cessation of use. In those predisposed to hypertension, testosterone can lead to high blood pressure. In adolescents, it can lead to premature stoppage in growth. Increased aggressiveness, although exaggerated by the media, can become more pronounced with testosterone Cypionate . Hair loss and deepening of the voice sometimes occurr."
than similar side effects on enanthate and propionate.
Not sure why you all blasted 2Thick like that, but all is fair in love and war I guess. Now I see that Sustanone's reviews states...
"Side Effects:
Because Sustanon is effective at lower doses, users report fewer side effects. IE: less aromatization, less water retention, less liver stress, and less endocrine system disturbances. Users report the usual irritability and aggressiveness with Sustanon as with other testosterones."
So it appears that the safest approach would be a test combo like Sustanon, or this is just another misconseption?
And let me finish by saying that tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another’s beliefs, practices and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.
Thank you, Tigrones
I have done both, the deca only cycle and the test only cycle.
Test is much better for gaining mass and strength.
Deca is better for maintaining mass and strength while cutting.
On deca only I was not impressed.
Test Enthanate...wow!
No more deca for me. Probably going with EQ and Test from now on.
Test is much better for gaining mass and strength.
Deca is better for maintaining mass and strength while cutting.
On deca only I was not impressed.
Test Enthanate...wow!
No more deca for me. Probably going with EQ and Test from now on.
Deca death
Hey,Huck. Okay. I've been on deca 4000mgs/week for 10 monthes ( and lots of others). After you get done reminding that this is insane, remember that I work with a Doctor. In any case, I'd like to phase out of deca and phase onto EQ, and keep the cycle going. I know you have importmant thoughts about this, would you pm or email me?
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Hey,Huck. Okay. I've been on deca 4000mgs/week for 10 monthes ( and lots of others). After you get done reminding that this is insane, remember that I work with a Doctor. In any case, I'd like to phase out of deca and phase onto EQ, and keep the cycle going. I know you have importmant thoughts about this, would you pm or email me?
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