This might sound stupid...

[Del_Piero]

I was under the impression that clomid and nolva were used to combat sides, but I've recently read that they are also used to help retain the gains?

So if I was doing 20ed of dbol for 1st 4weeks, 250wk of Sust and 400wk of EQ for 10weeks then how would I run the clomid and nolva, during or after cycle, wat dosage and for how long?

Thanx

 

[liftsiron]

You should use l-dex during the cycle, but have nolva on hand in case you notice signs of gyno. Do a search on PCT to figure on weather you want to run clomid or nolva post cycle. You really don't need both 20mg of nolva equals 50mg clomid for PCT.

 

[psychedout]

I run nolva/clomid with some herbs post cycle. You can run nolva/liquidex during you cycle -- however it may reduce gains (although this is debateable) -- I think it produces cleaner gains though.

 

[Del_Piero]

So is this ok if I run 50mg ed of clomid for 30 days after 3 weeks of my last sust. And for example if there are signs of gyno then how much nolva should I take and for how long??

 

[psychedout]

50mg Ed is good, 30 days might be overkill. My post-cycle therapy only last 21 days. If you get gyno, take 20-40mg/day until symptoms subside (you may consider running a preventitive measure -- say 10mg ed).

 

[Del_Piero]

Thanx liftsiron and psychedout

 

[WolfPack Charlie]

Also, I would do more than 250mg of Sus a week. Maybe bump it to 250mg E4D or E3D.

 

[Del_Piero]

Hair is the issue, thats y low dosage of sust

 

[WolfPack Charlie]

Sorry, I shave my head so it wasn't an issue for me....but just some advice, chicks dig a bald head!

 

[liftsiron]

50mg Ed is good, 30 days might be overkill. My post-cycle therapy only last 21 days. If you get gyno, take 20-40mg/day until symptoms subside (you may consider running a preventitive measure -- say 10mg ed).

Good

 

[liftsiron]

50mg Ed is good, 30 days might be overkill. My post-cycle therapy only last 21 days. If you get gyno, take 20-40mg/day until symptoms subside (you may consider running a preventitive measure -- say 10mg ed).

Good

 

[Dr. JK]

It all depends on the individual, i.e. some retain water more some less, some are sensitive to estrogen some are not. You have to experiment on your own and find out..

My take is be safe then sorry. Why wait for gyno signs to occur and then try to treat it?? Prevent it first.

If you are running d-bol & sust, you know they both aromatize and may cause problems for you, i.e. gyno, water, fat, etc..

Suggestion:
Until you get familiar enoguh with your own body as to how it responds to estrogen sides, use 10mg of Nolvadex ed or eod during your cycle. When close to the end increase the dosage to 20mg/day and wait for the right time after your last injection & start the clomid for 4 weeks. Run the 20mg's nolvadex all the way to the end of clomid therapy.

By doing this you are: preventing any estrogen sides from the hormonal unbalance when coming off and it will help you recover quicker.

These are just my suggestions as to what I would do.
Good luck

 

[Deleted member 33117]

If you are worried about your hairline, bear in mind that dbol and boldenon are both reduced testosterones and are substraits for the alpha-5-reductase enzyme as well.

 

[no pian]

is HCG the same as clomid???
if not how would you use that?

 

[tonybuddy]

but...

I was under the impression that nolva would not help bring the boys back to size?

 

[Del_Piero]

Re: but...

I was under the impression that nolva would not help bring the boys back to size?

Nolva is for gyno's, clomid and HCG is for the boyz. Am pretty sure about that!!

 

[Del_Piero]

Guys thanx for the replies!!

 

[buckwheat1]

If you are worried about your hairline, bear in mind that dbol and boldenon are both reduced testosterones and are substraits for the alpha-5-reductase enzyme as well.

I do not believe that Dbol converts to DHT. That doesn't mean that it is not affected by 5-AR. The question is, does it undergo convertion and if so, is the compound milder than the original.

Dbol is highly androgenic. So it does not have to be 5-AR to be hard on the hairline. I was under the impression that it was not 5-AR reduced, so using finisteride or proscar would be no use during a dbol cycle.

EQ , from what I have read, can go through 5-AR but does so at such a small amount that it is not a problem
Any androgen in high enough amounts can cause hairloss.