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Things are getting dangerous: Thousands of illegal criminal immigrants march in Illinois demanding amnesty!

DJ_UFO

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By Karen Hawkins
The Associated Press

CHICAGO — Mario Leguizamo's sign wasn't the largest at a march for immigrant rights that drew tens of thousands and brought downtown traffic to a virtual standstill for hours. But it certainly was one of the most eye-catching.

Leguizamo's hand-lettered sign reading "Cheney Shoots Friends but We're Criminals?" drew amused double-takes from many who marched past it on their way to a political rally with all the festivity of a good old-fashioned Chicago parade.

Students like Leguizamo and housewives pushing strollers marched side by side with construction workers, mechanics and senior citizens. Some marchers called out the names of their neighborhoods or suburbs, while others took up enthusiastic chants like "Si, se puede (Yes, it can be done)" and "La raza unida nunca sera vencida (A people united will never be defeated).
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Chicago police estimated that more than 100,000 marchers came from all over the Chicago area, many carrying — or wearing — Mexican and American flags. The protest was spirited, but peaceful, and there were no reported arrests or incidents.

Marchers gathered on the plaza across from the Dirksen Federal Courthouse to listen to speeches voicing support for pro-immigrant legislation and opposition to a measure that would toughen penalties for illegal immigrants.

"Raise those American flags!" shouted U.S. Rep Luis Gutierrez, D-Chicago. "This is our country, and this is where we will stay."

The march and rally came as the U.S. Senate struggles with a bill to stiffen border enforcement and a new report estimates the illegal immigrant population has grown from about 8.4 million in 2000 to nearly 12 million.

The legislation, already passed by the U.S. House, is billed as a border protection, anti-terrorism and illegal immigration control act. It includes such measures as enlisting military and local law enforcement help in stopping illegal entrants and authorizes the building of a fence along parts of the U.S.-Mexico border.

Friday's marchers stood shoulder to shoulder at the plaza and its surrounding streets, some carrying signs that read "Keep our Families Together," "No human being is illegal" and "Do not criminalize the American dream."

One group of demonstrators stood on a stack of Spanish-language newspapers to try and get a better view of politicians and other speaker, while others perched atop railings marking two subway entrances. Office workers peered out from the windows of nearby skyscrapers.



Politicians on hand


From a platform, Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich addressed the massive crowd in Spanish, telling them that he is the son of immigrant parents and understands the issues that are important to them.
His proclamation that "Ustedes no son criminales. Ustedes son trabajadores (You are not criminals. You are workers)" elicited loud cheers.

Congressman Bobby Rush fired up the crowd with his chants of "Power to the People," while U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin offered a history lesson.

"We should not forget that when the Irish came to Chicago they were hated," Durbin said.

Mayor Richard M. Daley told the crowd that "everyone in America is an immigrant."

Abigail Marquez, 35, said she came to the rally with her husband and teenage son to express her support for Latino issues. The native of Guadalajara, Mexico said she did not expect so many people to participate in the march, organized by dozens of activist groups.

"I had no idea. There are just so many people here," she said in Spanish. "I feel very happy because it shows that we are all united."



Minutemen speaks out


The Illinois Minuteman Project, which is affiliated with a national volunteer civilian border patrol group that aims to stem illegal immigration, held a news conference before the march began to speak out against it.
Rosanna Pulido, the group's state director, said she doesn't want to see Chicago become "sanctuary city" for illegal immigrants.

"There are 14 million underemployed Americans. Don't they have the right to have a better life and support their families? Let's give them an opportunity because this is their country," she said.

The march began at noon at a park several miles west of the downtown Loop business district. Hours later, marchers still thronged to the area, clogging streets and preventing vehicle traffic from moving. Police said traffic had returned to near-normal levels by early evening.

Abel Nunez, associate director of a social service agency that was one of the many organizations spearheading the event, said the goal was "to demonstrate to people that immigrants are here and we contribute to this country."

"We're not here to make this country less safe, we're here to strengthen it," he added.

One worker said he hadn't seen so many people in the Loop since a ticker-tape parade following the Chicago White Sox's World Series victory last fall.

"In terms of a protest, I've never seen anything this big. I'm impressed by the magnitude," of the crowd, said Tom Bonk.

But one person who wasn't impressed was Pulido, who said the demonstrators essentially were promoting illegal immigration.

"What it means is that 75,000 people marched for lawlessness in Chicago," she said.


- The Associated Press Nathaniel Hernandez contributed to this story.




Seems like this nation needs a new Third political party ASAP...
 
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https://secure.responseenterprises.com/minutemanhq/registration.php?a=228

Maybe you don't live with the tragedy in your peaceful town, but remember, there are millions of Americans suffering the consequences of irresponsible politicians and worst, fighting everyday with International criminals running free on the streets. Do something NOW.
 
Cliff Notes? Immigrants are taking your jobs?

No dumbfuck, they are taking up our tax dollars and social services, increasing crime and poverty. They have no respect for private or public property because in Mexico those things mean nothing.

They refuse to assimilate, refuse to take the legal route to becoming a citizen and refuse to take education seriously and then blame "racism" when they cantr get a decent job.

Im a computer engineer I never have to worry about some dumb fucking Mexican trash taking my job.. only the lower class has to worry.. but it doesnt mean I dont care about lower class American citizens losing their job to shitbag border trash who will work for 4 dollars an hour because they have 15 people living in the same household.
 
Re: Things are getting dangerous: Thousands of illegal criminal immigrants march in I

that shoulda been a mass deportation


fuckin *@#&@#**
 
milo hobgoblin said:
No dumbfuck, they are taking up our tax dollars and social services, increasing crime and poverty. They have no respect for private or public property because in Mexico those things mean nothing.

They refuse to assimilate, refuse to take the legal route to becoming a citizen and refuse to take education seriously and then blame "racism" when they cantr get a decent job.

Im a computer engineer I never have to worry about some dumb fucking Mexican trash taking my job.. only the lower class has to worry.. but it doesnt mean I dont care about lower class American citizens losing their job to shitbag border trash who will work for 4 dollars an hour because they have 15 people living in the same household.


why dont the other people refer to Mexicans when talking about illegal aliens. Cause clearly, thats all I see the bitching is about.
 
I dont know.. It really isnt just Mexicans... Most of the South American immigrants are like this.

Ive noticed Brazilian immigrants are completely different though. Usually fluent and educated within a couple of years. So it clearly isnt all "Latinos". And all the Canadian immigrants Ive met usually create jobs and come here highly educated.

I have no problem with limited immigration as long as they have strict standards but these people are bltantly breaking the law and come here with a sense ofentitlement.
 
Razorguns said:
the division in america continues...


And it will get worst. The way is being built to that end. politicians + procreation of ignorant people is the perfect mix to destroy America. I'm a Republican, however, I blame on all of them. If we do the right thing, if we plan together, we can take advantage of this division and act all together. We need to open Americans eyes. Remember the real foundation of this nation. Remember WHO REALLY BUILT THIS NATION; make a deep retrospection and replenish yourself with a deep patriotism, nationalism, protectionism. WE NEED A NEW POLITICAL PARTY ASAP.


And please visit that link. WE need your help... :qt:
 
milo hobgoblin said:
I dont know.. It really isnt just Mexicans... Most of the South American immigrants are like this.

Ive noticed Brazilian immigrants are completely different though. Usually fluent and educated within a couple of years. So it clearly isnt all "Latinos". And all the Canadian immigrants Ive met usually create jobs and come here highly educated.

I have no problem with limited immigration as long as they have strict standards but these people are bltantly breaking the law and come here with a sense ofentitlement.


yeah, I know its not only Mexicans, but still its mostly about latino people.

When I see posts that shit on immigrants I think right away about the majority of immigrants in Michigan, which is not latino. Those people are busting their balls working 2-3 jobs, saving money, driving old cars and later they buy themselfs nice houses and nice cars. Come in metro Detroit area and you will see the huge houses immigrants have ( and those people are not highly educated). And they dont live 15 people in one house.

So, I would really like it if when talking about non-americans to be clarified what group is talked about.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
I dont know.. It really isnt just Mexicans... Most of the South American immigrants are like this.

Ive noticed Brazilian immigrants are completely different though. Usually fluent and educated within a couple of years. So it clearly isnt all "Latinos". And all the Canadian immigrants Ive met usually create jobs and come here highly educated.

I have no problem with limited immigration as long as they have strict standards but these people are bltantly breaking the law and come here with a sense ofentitlement.



EXACTLY. That's the answer Foreigngirlie; Usually illegal immigrant is related to mexicans, because from 12.5 million of Illegal aliens currently accross the nation, most of them are mexicans, followed by central and south americans. And the problem with people from this region, is what milo says, they come without any kind of education, extremely poor values, poor traditions and something else, don't know if related to racial background or not, but they are extremely violent. Look at the crisis we are having inside federal prisons between black gangs and latino gangs. Fights and crimes on the streets. latinos are taking black territories. And I blame only on latinos, because the problem with some black people, is at the end, part of this nation. That comes from the past for several reasons. But latinos? who came here voluntarily?? and they bring those serious problems here? and they are living from every single benefit and even more?? That's just anacceptable.
 
tiger88 said:
mexicans ruined LA and PHX

its true...we all know it


I feel you bro. Same happened in the east coast with the rest of "latinos" :rolleyes:
 
lol...at the appartment complex I used to live at, a "Border Control" SUV used to come in every now and then and leave with few latinos in the back seat.
But they behaved, except when they pissed me off when staring at girls and driving way too slow in their huge vans
 
Zdravo! kako si girlie? :qt:

sp? lol that's all I know.
 
I posted this on another thread to, but it bears repeating here:
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As far as all these anti-illegals and anti-immigration threads. Good luck, but even good luck isn't going to help you. Your fighting INCREDIBLE economic forces as well as fighting against the single fastest-growing voting group in the US -- LEGAL latinos.

The good news is, all this high-profile "send them home" crap is doing a great job galvinizing the the legal, voting latinos. This way, instead of integrating them as Americans, we can transform them into single-issue voters and let them vote in blocks. Good work!

That's what we need... a fastest-growing segment of galvinized, single-issue, high-turnout voters.
 
Re: Things are getting dangerous: Thousands of illegal criminal immigrants march in I

If you are not American you cannot live my dream, tough fucken luck.

It doesnt help out any citizen in the US if mexicans and south americans are allowed to flood the US, except their family members.
 
I'm really torn with how I should respond to this thread. On the one hand, I certainly understand how people feel after seeing first-hand how the latino "illegals" have infiltrated this country and are given carte blanche not to learn the English language, to get jobs, pay taxes, and live here seemingly without any repercussions for their illegal status. I've worked with Latinos who aren't citizens and admitted to crossing the borders with their families when they were children. When I saw how the latinos and liberals galvanized together in Los Angeles when a bill was being passed to prevent illegals from attending school or here in Chicago when the protestors snarled traffic for hours while they petitioned for "decriminalizing" their illegal status...(???). It's ridiculous. But, this discussion almost borders on racism. One of the guys here said "Let's not forget who built this country..." Well, let's not forget HOW this country was built... on the backs of African slaves, the Chinese, and the geographical "rape" of the Native Americans... the only TRUE Americans. We need stringent laws, that's for sure, and politicians who need to stop being cowards and cow-towing to these illegals...
 
Umm... yeah... you guys are right! I'm American (but I'm pronouncing it Ummarikin)!

I'm 38... I've never fought in a war... never lost a loved one serving my country... never made a personal sacrifice to further our country's interests... As a matter of fact, my family was one of those freeloaders that came over with Lafayette to fight in the revolutionary war. Then, after the war, we squatted here in America and just soaked-up all the benefits of the new nation.

But I came out of an American's gash, so that makes me an Ummarikin too! Let's send them foreigners home!!!

*** This post was brought to you by sarcasm. If you don't get it, then you better run outside and catch that short school bus before it takes off without you ***
 
mitchell1660 said:
... and the geographical "rape" of the Native Americans... the only TRUE Americans.

I bet the only "real" Americans wish all us European, African and Asian freeloaders would get the fuck out as well.
 
Well one thing is for sure. if any other group of lawbreakers had a march then they would have been arrested... makes you think.
 
saint808 said:
Well one thing is for sure. if any other group of lawbreakers had a march then they would have been arrested... makes you think.

No, other illegal activities are also supported via marches and demonstrations.

Example:

Potheads have magazines and stores dedicated to helping them abuse an illegal drug. They also routinely do protests and other forms of civil demonstration for the legalization of their cause.

Now *that* is an example of a highly criminal behavior that is routinely overlooked. I can't figure-out why we just don't make THC testing part of every blood and urine test and just get rid of all the potheads once and for all. It is, afterall, illegal hence we need to enforce our laws.
 
Only in the US. How come we dont see illegals doing stuff like that here ? Oh wait, we kick them out !
 
manny78 said:
Only in the US. How come we dont see illegals doing stuff like that here ? Oh wait, we kick them out !

I agree that as a group, illegals do less crime than other people in their socioeconomic class precisely *because* they don't want to be discovered and kicked-out.

Sure, illegals do crime, but compare their rates to their socioeconomic equals -- don't compare them to a bunch of US doctors and lawyers. I bet it's lower, but I doubt you could even do a study to prove it.
 
mrplunkey said:
I posted this on another thread to, but it bears repeating here:
-------------------------------------------------------------
As far as all these anti-illegals and anti-immigration threads. Good luck, but even good luck isn't going to help you. Your fighting INCREDIBLE economic forces as well as fighting against the single fastest-growing voting group in the US -- LEGAL latinos.

The good news is, all this high-profile "send them home" crap is doing a great job galvinizing the the legal, voting latinos. This way, instead of integrating them as Americans, we can transform them into single-issue voters and let them vote in blocks. Good work!

That's what we need... a fastest-growing segment of galvinized, single-issue, high-turnout voters.


what you say is completely true, and at the same time is my worst fear. Right now we are heading that route for sure, thanks to politicians and thanks also to millions of Americans that do nothing or say nothing about it just because they don't feel affected by this issue. And as always I repeat. The day you find out we have a problem, will be too late. You'll be pwned by yourself.
 
DJ_UFO said:
what you say is completely true, and at the same time is my worst fear. Right now we are heading that route for sure, thanks to politicians and thanks also to millions of Americans that do nothing or say nothing about it just because they don't feel affected by this issue. And as always I repeat. The day you find out we have a problem, will be too late. You'll be pwned by yourself.

Anytime you single-out a group of people based on a common characteristic, you are giving them a group identity. It doesn't matter if its the color of their skin, the religion they practice, the or the vice they participate in.

Now... once you give these people a group identity, deciding something needs to be "done" about them turns them into victims. Overnight, they become the oppressed... the downtrodden. "Opressed" people mobilize. "Opressed" people vote. "Opressed" people become politically active.

The legal latin population is by far the fastest growing population segment in our country. As they become Americans, we want them doing what the majority of other americans do: Display a broad array of political interests. We want them concerned about the economy... taxes... their children's education... foreign policy... abortion... the role of religion in society. Instead, all these "kick them illegals out" people are going to turn them into single-issue voters. Then, instead of participating in the political process in a balanced way, they'll become a voting block. Then, as a voting block, the politicians will line-up to see who can suck the latino voting block's political cock the best. Is that what you really want? If so, keep pounding away because that will be the end result.

Sad thing is... the "send them home" crowd will be howling louder than ever as politicians pander to these people harder than ever -- and the "send them home" people won't even have a clue that it was their efforts that made all this possible.

Nothing like a good enemy to galvanize a people. Hell, I wish we had the USSR back.
 
say it with me folks... "things will never be as good as they once were"


Okay, I hate people with that attitude. Even more I hate freeloaders.
 
mrplunkey said:
Anytime you single-out a group of people based on a common characteristic, you are giving them a group identity. It doesn't matter if its the color of their skin, the religion they practice, the or the vice they participate in.

Now... once you give these people a group identity, deciding something needs to be "done" about them turns them into victims. Overnight, they become the oppressed... the downtrodden. "Opressed" people mobilize. "Opressed" people vote. "Opressed" people become politically active.

The legal latin population is by far the fastest growing population segment in our country. As they become Americans, we want them doing what the majority of other americans do: Display a broad array of political interests. We want them concerned about the economy... taxes... their children's education... foreign policy... abortion... the role of religion in society. Instead, all these "kick them illegals out" people are going to turn them into single-issue voters. Then, instead of participating in the political process in a balanced way, they'll become a voting block. Then, as a voting block, the politicians will line-up to see who can suck the latino voting block's political cock the best. Is that what you really want? If so, keep pounding away because that will be the end result.

Sad thing is... the "send them home" crowd will be howling louder than ever as politicians pander to these people harder than ever -- and the "send them home" people won't even have a clue that it was their efforts that made all this possible.

Nothing like a good enemy to galvanize a people. Hell, I wish we had the USSR back.



yeah I know what you're sayin but according to that what would be the solution? Open the borders and let them come here just to get the rest of the legals inserted into the American system? NO WAY!

The problem here, is a legal issue. Illegal is Illegal everywhere. Nobody is talking about legal latinos. But supporting a crime, makes you part of it. In this case, if legal latinos support the illegals, then we have a serious moral problem but the only single victim in that case is The United States of America. Under my values, a person supporting a criime is a piece of shit! and if we are going to have a single-issue voters composed by piece of shit people, sad for this nation. Sacrificing our values, giving a horrible example to the world, is not an option.
 
DJ_UFO said:
yeah I know what you're sayin but according to that what would be the solution? Open the borders and let them come here just to get the rest of the legals inserted into the American system? NO WAY!

The problem here, is a legal issue. Illegal is Illegal everywhere. Nobody is talking about legal latinos. But supporting a crime, makes you part of it. In this case, if legal latinos support the illegals, then we have a serious moral problem but the only single victim in that case is The United States of America. Under my values, a person supporting a criime is a piece of shit! and if we are going to have a single-issue voters composed by piece of shit people, sad for this nation. Sacrificing our values, giving a horrible example to the world, is not an option.

Here's the solution:

Mexican immigrants need a legal way to work in the United States. They shouldn't be granted citizenship quickly, nor should they recieve the full measure of US benefits. It needs to be a glorified "day workers" program.

Then, after they have an established track record, give them a citizenship procedure that isn't trivial, but that the law-abiding, hard-working immigrants can complete. I'm fine with criminalizing, detaining, and/or deporting the ones who commit real crimes.

After the processes mentioned above are in-place (and not a second before), then prosecute the employers who go outside the process. Fine them on a per illegal - per hour worked basis, and make the fine hefty.

It would be an easy fix, but it requires the "send thum foreigners out of Umarrika" to compromise. It also requires the "let them in fancy free" group to compromise as well.
 
mrplunkey said:
Here's the solution:

Mexican immigrants need a legal way to work in the United States. They shouldn't be granted citizenship quickly, nor should they recieve the full measure of US benefits. It needs to be a glorified "day workers" program.

Then, after they have an established track record, give them a citizenship procedure that isn't trivial, but that the law-abiding, hard-working immigrants can complete. I'm fine with criminalizing, detaining, and/or deporting the ones who commit real crimes.

After the processes mentioned above are in-place (and not a second before), then prosecute the employers who go outside the process. Fine them on a per illegal - per hour worked basis, and make the fine hefty.

It would be an easy fix, but it requires the "send thum foreigners out of Umarrika" to compromise. It also requires the "let them in fancy free" group to compromise as well.


ok but even if you establish that system. What would you do with those that still cross illegaly without any legal way to work here? THEY WILL NOT STOP. Isn't that enough crime?
 
DJ_UFO said:
ok but even if you establish that system. What would you do with those that still cross illegaly without any legal way to work here? THEY WILL NOT STOP. Isn't that enough crime?

That's easy. You have to go after the source of demand. Not the supply.

Let's say roofer XYZ gets busted with a roofing crew of 8 illegal workers. You go back to him and say, we think you've employed this crew for approximately 4 months.

That's 4 months x 30 days/month x 8 guys x 40 / hour = $38,400 please

Then use the proceeds to fund additional enforcement actions.

This isn't a supply-side problem. There will always be someone willing to scale a wall, climb a fence, tunnel under a barrier... as long as the economics support doing so.

That's what strikes me as ridiculous about marajuana. If they really want to eliminate it, allocate $100B from "the war on drugs" and build some really massive prisons. Then, make possession or use of marjuana a 40 year crime without the possiblity of parole. Why not just lock 'em up and be done with it?
 
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mrplunkey said:
That's what strikes me as ridiculous about marajuana. If they really want to eliminate it, allocate $100B from "the war on drugs" and build some really massive prisons. Then, make possession or use of marjuana a 40 year crime without the possiblity of parole. Why not just lock 'em up and be done with it?



Lock people up for possession of a plant, sure, why not. Fuck while we're at it we should do the same thing for speeders.
 
Re: Things are getting dangerous: Thousands of illegal criminal immigrants march in I

chewyxrage said:
Lock people up for possession of a plant, sure, why not. Fuck while we're at it we should do the same thing for speeders.
I agree! I mean... after all... it's all ILLEGAL -- just like those illegal aliens crossing our borders!

P.S. Chewy... in case you missed it, I was countering the argument that we should boot-out all these illegal mexican workers simply because they are breaking the law. By looking at other relatively minor infractions such as marajuana and speeding, I was making a counter argument. I'm guessing you missed that part :P

Now... as far as my real views? I'm a conservative libertarian with relatively liberal social views. I don't really give a shit if you want to smoke dope, bang your great dane or hire an illegal mexican to scrub your toilets.

P.S.S. Chewy -- cite the relative harmlessness of marajuana, not the fact that it's "a plant". Cocaine and heroine come from plants too and those drugs can be hella dangerous!
 
DJ_Ufo and Hengst should mate.

Dude, I'm in exactly the same position as you are, I'm a LEGAL immigrant in a country that has nothing to do with me but offer opportunities for me and my family (why would I be here otherwise). Needless to say, I have no loyalties or ties, if tomorrow my chances look better in Italy, Spain or the US, you can be completely sure I will move there with no remorse.

What sickens me is your ULTRANZA attitude, you feel more of an US citizen than a 5th Generation US citizen. Have you forgotten your roots? does the fact that you have a green card and not a passport bothers you? Are you ashamed of speaking spanish?

WTF man? Your point got across, it's conveyed, you don't need to create a thread EVERY FUCKING DAY to let people know how much you hate latinos (or mexicans) who come illegally into your precious host-country. Do you think you are doing the country a favor? or you that you will be proclaimed a hero among Chileans?

We are what we are, nothing changes that. I will be a legal German citizen in 2 years, according to a Passport? Will I be less Venezuelan because of that? Or less "Latino" for that matter?

I condemn illegal inmigration as much as the next guy, it's a burden on all legal members of a society (wether citizens or residents) just be careful not to fall into borderline paranoia. I read your posts and I can't help but think "Damn, this is the kind of people who would not think twice before commiting one of those hate-crimes"
 
Re: Things are getting dangerous: Thousands of illegal criminal immigrants march in I

mrplunkey said:
No, other illegal activities are also supported via marches and demonstrations.

Example:

Potheads have magazines and stores dedicated to helping them abuse an illegal drug. They also routinely do protests and other forms of civil demonstration for the legalization of their cause.

Now *that* is an example of a highly criminal behavior that is routinely overlooked. I can't figure-out why we just don't make THC testing part of every blood and urine test and just get rid of all the potheads once and for all. It is, afterall, illegal hence we need to enforce our laws.


You think smoking a little pot is worse than illegal immigrants?
 
Re: Things are getting dangerous: Thousands of illegal criminal immigrants march in I

Delinquent said:
You think smoking a little pot is worse than illegal immigrants?

I think his post was way off base anyways. Just because someone marches in a stoner parade doesnt mean they are breaking the law. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law just by being here. They're criminal by default.
 
pintoca said:
DJ_Ufo and Hengst should mate.

Dude, I'm in exactly the same position as you are, I'm a LEGAL immigrant in a country that has nothing to do with me but offer opportunities for me and my family (why would I be here otherwise). Needless to say, I have no loyalties or ties, if tomorrow my chances look better in Italy, Spain or the US, you can be completely sure I will move there with no remorse.

What sickens me is your ULTRANZA attitude, you feel more of an US citizen than a 5th Generation US citizen. Have you forgotten your roots? does the fact that you have a green card and not a passport bothers you? Are you ashamed of speaking spanish?

WTF man? Your point got across, it's conveyed, you don't need to create a thread EVERY FUCKING DAY to let people know how much you hate latinos (or mexicans) who come illegally into your precious host-country. Do you think you are doing the country a favor? or you that you will be proclaimed a hero among Chileans?

We are what we are, nothing changes that. I will be a legal German citizen in 2 years, according to a Passport? Will I be less Venezuelan because of that? Or less "Latino" for that matter?

I condemn illegal inmigration as much as the next guy, it's a burden on all legal members of a society (wether citizens or residents) just be careful not to fall into borderline paranoia. I read your posts and I can't help but think "Damn, this is the kind of people who would not think twice before commiting one of those hate-crimes"


Pintoca, this is a great post. Thats what I dont understand with any immigrant - how can they love their host country more than the one that is their mother-country. It doesnt matter if they are citizens or hold green cards, they still are different - they still talk english with an accent. I know that people at stores look at me weird when I start talking, they kinda laugh when I mix up how to wright the dates cause I am used to day/month/year etc....IMO every immigrant should keep their culture and tradition wherever they are. I dont like people that assimilate too easy
 
foreigngirl said:
I dont like people that assimilate too easy

and that is the problem.

We are Americans exactly because our forefathers gave up their original languages, customs, manner of dress and even changed their names to be more American. How many Mr. Freemans are there in Europe anyway?

And, Pincota, if your primary allegiance remains with Venesuala and your 'people' then you are welcome to leave Europe too. Multiculturalism is losing in Europe and if you don't feel like you belong here, then we do not want you here.

I find it absolutely amazing that folks that come from the third world to Europe or America bitch and complain that it's not like home....... DUH. It's exacly not like home and it's those first world benefits that third worlders want. You notice this when benefits to immigrants are reduced..... immigration is reduced. IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO BE EUROPEAN OR AMERICAN THEN THEY WOULD COME REGARDLESS OF THE BENEFITS.
 
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juicedmohawk said:
I think his post was way off base anyways. Just because someone marches in a stoner parade doesnt mean they are breaking the law. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law just by being here. They're criminal by default.

lmao @ getting picky with the definition of "criminal" in an steroids board

By posting here we are all "criminals" by default, you know how the law works
 
Hengst said:
and that is the problem.

We are Americans exactly because our forefathers gave up their original languages, customs, manner of dress and even changed their names to be more American. How many Mr. Freemans are there in Europe anyway?


every single minoroty we have in Macedonia has kept their culture, language and tradition. They never changed their names to fit in my country.

Now, when you move to a different country, I beleive that you still have to change a bit, so you fit in, but not to that degree to forget where you came from and who you are


PS. if you so feel american, why do you have the Netherland flag?
 
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pintoca said:
lmao @ getting picky with the definition of "criminal" in an steroids board

By posting here we are all "criminals" by default, you know how the law works

actually we're not. Exchanging information is legal. Having pipes, papers, and bongs is legal. Using them to smoke weed is not.

Capice?
 
FG, you have to adapt, you don't live anymore in your home-country so you make compromises. Little ones: You learn the local language, abide the local rules, stop making comparations (ohh, in my country this is so much better...) and try to blend while remaining true to your roots that is all.

Our son is named Daniel, no second name (as it'S cutomary in Vzla), why Daniel? because Daniel sounds the same in Spanish, German and English... it'S the little things you do that set the difference. WHen you have kids is even more complicated, kids don't want to feel different, so it's a balance act to teach both cultures and form a single identity. What you are is not dictated by your paperwork but by your upbringing and the society where you live
 
foreigngirl said:
every single minoroty we have in Macedonia has kept their culture, language and tradition. They never changed their names to fit in my country.

EXACTLY

And you know that Macedonia is a model of multicultural harmony. LOL LOL LOL LOL
It's only by the skin of your teeth that your country did not decend into a Civil War a few short years ago. The Albanians and the Macedonians live SEPERATE AND SEGREGATED lives.
 
pintoca said:
FG, you have to adapt, you don't live anymore in your home-country so you make compromises. Little ones: You learn the local language, abide the local rules, stop making comparations (ohh, in my country this is so much better...) and try to blend while remaining true to your roots that is all.

Our son is named Daniel, no second name (as it'S cutomary in Vzla), why Daniel? because Daniel sounds the same in Spanish, German and English... it'S the little things you do that set the difference. WHen you have kids is even more complicated, kids don't want to feel different, so it's a balance act to teach both cultures and form a single identity. What you are is not dictated by your paperwork but by your upbringing and the society where you live

I agree with you............. karma if I could. I take back my 'you can leave' barb.
 
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juicedmohawk said:
actually we're not. Exchanging information is legal. Having pipes, papers, and bongs is legal. Using them to smoke weed is not.

Capice?

Tablets suck
 
pintoca said:
FG, you have to adapt, you don't live anymore in your home-country so you make compromises. Little ones: You learn the local language, abide the local rules, stop making comparations (ohh, in my country this is so much better...) and try to blend while remaining true to your roots that is all.

Our son is named Daniel, no second name (as it'S cutomary in Vzla), why Daniel? because Daniel sounds the same in Spanish, German and English... it'S the little things you do that set the difference. WHen you have kids is even more complicated, kids don't want to feel different, so it's a balance act to teach both cultures and form a single identity. What you are is not dictated by your paperwork but by your upbringing and the society where you live

yeah, I understand addapting, but not forgetting and leaving behind what you are and where you came from
 
Hengst said:
EXACTLY

And you know that Macedonia is a model of multicultural harmony. LOL LOL LOL LOL
It's only by the skin of your teeth that your country did not decend into a Civil War a few short years ago. The Albanians and the Macedonians live SEPERATE AND SEGREGATED lives.

there is other reasons why we dont get along, it has nothing to do with them not being assimilated. And you wouldnt know unless you lived there.
 
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juicedmohawk said:
cisco systems is overrated.

I think I couldl never agree more on a post by you. If you think their HW sucks, wait till you try their Software... oh man, guaranteed joy
 
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pintoca said:
I think I couldl never agree more on a post by you. If you think their HW sucks, wait till you try their Software... oh man, guaranteed joy


Is there a problem with the throughput of some of linksys routers? I'm speaking specifically about the miniature wireless G one.
 
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Delinquent said:
You think smoking a little pot is worse than illegal immigrants?

I think they are both illegal activities. People keep harping on the fact that these illegal mexicans are ILLEGAL and use that to justify hunting them down and kicking them out.

As for me... Again... I don't care what someone does as long as I don't have to pay for it. Someone can smoke all they want. Personally, I believe pot destroys initiative and motivation, which costs employers a ton of productivity. I also think it's a great starter drug that leads to harder drugs (but you can take those too if you want, I don't care). Also, that innocent little joint you are buying is probably funding some south american or latin american pot plantation where the operators assasinate the the local judges and politicians who stand against them.

So do I think pot is worse than hiring Juan to scrub my toilets and then mulch my shrubbery for the afternoon? Yeah, I do.
 
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juicedmohawk said:
I think his post was way off base anyways. Just because someone marches in a stoner parade doesnt mean they are breaking the law. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law just by being here. They're criminal by default.
Are you trying to tell me that when 100 or even a 1000 stoners get together for a medical marajuana rally or a grateful dead concert that there wasn't any marajuana there?

If you want to assert that, then I'll assert that every single one of those marching for immigration rights were 100% naturalized U.S. American citizens.

Both are equaly ridiculous statements.
 
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mrplunkey said:
Are you trying to tell me that when 100 or even a 1000 stoners get together for a medical marajuana rally or a grateful dead concert that there wasn't any marajuana there?

If you want to assert that, then I'll assert that every single one of those marching for immigration rights were 100% naturalized U.S. American citizens.

Both are equaly ridiculous statements.
The point is, there doesnt have to be MJ there for them to have a rally... so nobody breaks the law. For illegals, they have to break the law to have a rally
 
Hengst said:
and that is the problem.

We are Americans exactly because our forefathers gave up their original languages, customs, manner of dress and even changed their names to be more American. How many Mr. Freemans are there in Europe anyway?

And, Pincota, if your primary allegiance remains with Venesuala and your 'people' then you are welcome to leave Europe too. Multiculturalism is losing in Europe and if you don't feel like you belong here, then we do not want you here.

I find it absolutely amazing that folks that come from the third world to Europe or America bitch and complain that it's not like home....... DUH. It's exacly not like home and it's those first world benefits that third worlders want. You notice this when benefits to immigrants are reduced..... immigration is reduced. IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO BE EUROPEAN OR AMERICAN THEN THEY WOULD COME REGARDLESS OF THE BENEFITS.



Good post.
Pinto Beaner, you have serious identity problems. And that's exactly what happens in America with latinos. Now, I can't judge if you are a good immigrant or not, because I don't know you in your personal life, I don't know what you do every day. Every time I speak with any American they agree 100% with me. The point is this: I was raised with different values; I was raised with a different culture. Based on that, I don't like where I was born. Not the piece of land, but the people; never agreed with anything over there; never was involved with that latino culture; never even learned how to dance salsa and all that garbage music! If you find it crazy, well maybe looks like that but my own explanation for that is maybe because my ancestors were mostly recent immigrants to south america. So please understand that: I'm not and never was a latino by culture; maybe just for the fact that I was born there but nothing else. I never even used that word latino wich is bad used by ignorants. I came here for the only reason that I love the American culture, the American way of life, American history, American traditions, everything. From the first day I came here when I was a child, I found everything was made the right way. From a single parking lot, to a major highway, to a close to perfection federal system. Being an American for me is one of the most beautiful things in my life; and when I hear or see a fucking latino complaining every day against America I feel he is stealing MY DREAM; when I see them everyday crossing with red lights on the streets, they are destroying MY DREAM; whem they talk to me in spanish on the streets, they are damaging MY DREAM; most of YOU guys go to europe and America ONLY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY; only to take advantage of what is good in the moment; you guys don't have any sense of patriotism, nationalism or any of those deep social values. AND THAT'S THE SAME WAY YOU GUYS RULE YOUR COUNTRIES. That's why south american countries are so divided and so poor. Please give me a good reason why Venezuela is poor having so many natural resources. I believe you when you say that if some day the opportunity is in Italy or America you'll move immediately; LOL because I know yall. That's the way you are. You consume resources from another countries giving nothing in exchange. I think America doesn't need people like that. If they were 1, 5, 1000 is acceptable but when they have a growing population of millions, things are different. Do you think any American like to walk on the streets hearing salsa and eating fucking burritos? hell no! and if this minority become some day a majority, every single city will be like that. That's the problem. If you like to carry a flag of your country, if you like the music of your country, if you like the food of your country, if you like your country as a whole, please don't be hypocrite and go back to your country. If you really like your country, well they need A LOT of help. People is dying from hunger down there. Go and do something for them if you like your country. You guys are sick. When you need a benefit, "yeah! of course! I'm a permanent resident!" but when you wanna go out "no let's go to a latino restaurant to drink some wine and eat rice and beans viva latino power!" that's fucking nasty bro...what kind of values are those. There are millions here who should do themselves a favor and go back to "their" countries; unless they realize that they VOLUNTARILY left their original countries BECAUSE THEY ARE A PEICE OF SHIT and America is the best of the world and that's why they are here VOLUNTARILY.
 
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I own 240 acres about 12 miles out of Douglas, Arizona. It's worth a lot more than I originally paid for it, but I'm having problems selling it. There's a good size wash that runs through it, and I have to go there every few weeks to clean all the trash out of it left by illegal immigrants that are crossing the border at night. They leave clothing, dirty diapers, dirty toilet paper, empty water bottles, etc for me to pick up. It's a common problem for many land owners and ranchers down here. They have no regard for private property or the environment in general. It's been better lately because border patrol has been there a lot more. They'll stake out the wash for a while and traffice will probably stop, but the illegals will find another path across someone elses land.

My property has fallen out of escrow twice. Both times because the buyers didn't want to build on property that was a known path for illegals.
 
the-short-one said:
I own 240 acres about 12 miles out of Douglas, Arizona. It's worth a lot more than I originally paid for it, but I'm having problems selling it. There's a good size wash that runs through it, and I have to go there every few weeks to clean all the trash out of it left by illegal immigrants that are crossing the border at night. They leave clothing, dirty diapers, dirty toilet paper, empty water bottles, etc for me to pick up. It's a common problem for many land owners and ranchers down here. They have no regard for private property or the environment in general. It's been better lately because border patrol has been there a lot more. They'll stake out the wash for a while and traffice will probably stop, but the illegals will find another path across someone elses land.

My property has fallen out of escrow twice. Both times because the buyers didn't want to build on property that was a known path for illegals.



I know about that on the whole border. That's disgusting. It is fair for this nation? NO. Every person with normal intelligence knows that if you put in a balance the good things and the bad things of illegal immigrants, bad things are heavier. My campaign against illegal invasion will never stop; it will just get bigger and bigger.
 
foreigngirl said:
every single minoroty we have in Macedonia has kept their culture, language and tradition. They never changed their names to fit in my country.

Now, when you move to a different country, I beleive that you still have to change a bit, so you fit in, but not to that degree to forget where you came from and who you are

PS. if you so feel american, why do you have the Netherland flag?
This isn't about illegals, but I work with a Portuguese fellow. He's about 60, helluva nice guy. But he's been here for 30 fricken years. Can barely speak or read English. Can't write it. And it's getting worse since his daughters grew up & moved out. I gotta cover for him 'cause the company's too timid to penalize or fire him for not being able to do his job.
 
I hate Chicago with a passion, as does everyone else in central and southern Illinois. I wish they made it northern and souther illinois. Make the dividing line interstate 80, or whatever it is that is south of chicago.

Fucking dump that should be nuked into nothingness

Whiskey
 
Whiskey said:
I hate Chicago with a passion, as does everyone else in central and southern Illinois. I wish they made it northern and souther illinois. Make the dividing line interstate 80, or whatever it is that is south of chicago.

Fucking dump that should be nuked into nothingness

Whiskey


doesn't work that way bro...you divide it in north and south, ok, in 5 years the ones from the bad part will be crossing into the good part only to turn it into another bad part and the history continues...you need radical solutions based on what could be future consequences. :)
 
HiDnGoD said:
This isn't about illegals, but I work with a Portuguese fellow. He's about 60, helluva nice guy. But he's been here for 30 fricken years. Can barely speak or read English. Can't write it. And it's getting worse since his daughters grew up & moved out. I gotta cover for him 'cause the company's too timid to penalize or fire him for not being able to do his job.
my father-in-law is the same way. He's been here over 30 years and yes, can barelly talk and wright english. I do not know how in the world he had a motel in Michigan and then bought appartments and a house and a boat and a fuckin condo in Florida without knowing the language even barelly.
 
the-short-one said:
I own 240 acres about 12 miles out of Douglas, Arizona. It's worth a lot more than I originally paid for it, but I'm having problems selling it. There's a good size wash that runs through it, and I have to go there every few weeks to clean all the trash out of it left by illegal immigrants that are crossing the border at night. They leave clothing, dirty diapers, dirty toilet paper, empty water bottles, etc for me to pick up. It's a common problem for many land owners and ranchers down here. They have no regard for private property or the environment in general. It's been better lately because border patrol has been there a lot more. They'll stake out the wash for a while and traffice will probably stop, but the illegals will find another path across someone elses land.

My property has fallen out of escrow twice. Both times because the buyers didn't want to build on property that was a known path for illegals.

What do you think about the Minutemen Project?
 
lol @ "me" having identity problems. DJ_UFO, re-read your post man, carefully. Who do you think has identity problems? I embrace what I am, I contribute to the society where I live EXACTLY as any german-born, I have all the same rights and responsibilites (except the right to vote, for now).

Why should I despise what I am? The only reason why we left Vzla was because we completely disagreed with the Politics of the Country and that was not the environment I wanted for my family to grow.

If the US goes to shit, will you stay and rot with it or will you look for better opportunities for you and yours?

I would not think about it twice to go back to Vzla if it turns for the beter (and that starts by getting rid of Chavez) because you only have ONE country, regardless of how many years you live somewhere else you will always be an "EXTRANJERO" (oops, sorry, did that word hurt your ears? my bad). I could easily invest in Venezuela if I wanted, interest rates are on my side, but we don't, we invest here, as expensive as it is, because as it is right now, this is our home, our son was born and we can foresee a life here.

Idealism and Patriotism are one thing, being stupid, naive and blind is an entirely different cup of tea.
 
Btw, I "forgot" to mention. What opinion do you have of your American fellows who come to live in Europe and:

1. Show no interest AT ALL to learn the local language, and even worse, expect absolutely EVERYBODY to speak with them in English? They go to a store, party or anywhere and don't even ask if the people speak english, they simply start talking and that is. At the beginnind I usually jumped in to help as interpreter, now I only do it for tourists.
2. Put their kids in "International schools" because GOD FORBID they learn something different than the American way
3. Show no respect whatsoever, nor interest, for the local culture?
4. After X numbers of years here, still compare to Dollar prices and bitch when stuff is more expensive here or they can pay with Credit Cards

These are only small things off the top of my head, if the debate was worth it I could come up with a LONG list of equivalents to "listening to salsa, eating burritos, crossing red lights"... ooops. I just remembered another one, passing on the right lane as that is strictly forbidden in this country, all the cars I see doing it have, GASP, american military plates.

I'm sick and tired of seeing this phenomen day in and day out, I have the luck (or lack of) of living in a VERY american-popular region of Germany. I'm sure Hengst has seen this in the NL as well.

Now, don't take the easy way out and say "ahh, the problem is you hate americans", far from it, I actually have ties to the US. My 2 brothers were born there, while my parents were doing their Masters back in the 60s. One of them remains in Vzla and the other lives in Miami, since 12 years. He now owns a business (after being fucked by a cuban "friend" and employs 13 people, all legal btw). I love going there on Vacations, shit is cheap and you can realliy stretch your vacation-money.

Every coin has two sides, bro. Some even say it has three
 
pintoca said:
Btw, I "forgot" to mention. What opinion do you have of your American fellows who come to live in Europe and:

1. Show no interest AT ALL to learn the local language, and even worse, expect absolutely EVERYBODY to speak with them in English? They go to a store, party or anywhere and don't even ask if the people speak english, they simply start talking and that is. At the beginnind I usually jumped in to help as interpreter, now I only do it for tourists.
2. Put their kids in "International schools" because GOD FORBID they learn something different than the American way
3. Show no respect whatsoever, nor interest, for the local culture?
4. After X numbers of years here, still compare to Dollar prices and bitch when stuff is more expensive here or they can pay with Credit Cards

These are only small things off the top of my head, if the debate was worth it I could come up with a LONG list of equivalents to "listening to salsa, eating burritos, crossing red lights"... ooops. I just remembered another one, passing on the right lane as that is strictly forbidden in this country, all the cars I see doing it have, GASP, american military plates.

I'm sick and tired of seeing this phenomen day in and day out, I have the luck (or lack of) of living in a VERY american-popular region of Germany. I'm sure Hengst has seen this in the NL as well.

Now, don't take the easy way out and say "ahh, the problem is you hate americans", far from it, I actually have ties to the US. My 2 brothers were born there, while my parents were doing their Masters back in the 60s. One of them remains in Vzla and the other lives in Miami, since 12 years. He now owns a business (after being fucked by a cuban "friend" and employs 13 people, all legal btw). I love going there on Vacations, shit is cheap and you can realliy stretch your vacation-money.

Every coin has two sides, bro. Some even say it has three



ah, yes, I remember when UN and NATO soldiers came in my country. They drove around like they own the world. I remember (when I worked as waitress) two civilian dressed men came in the bar and started asking me questions about our political situation and how is our relationship with the serbs and with the albanians. This was before anything on Kosovo happened. I remember going to the grocerie store and (thank God) heard a soldier speaking very much broken macedonian. He was probably there for a longer time, so he picked up something. This is what I want to point out to all americans that always complained about older ladies that came to US and hardly speak english (but still try to) - that they would be the same if they went to another country and tried to learn the language there. Thats if they do. I have heard americans in my country complain about the shower head, cause most of them are not fixed on the top, so you have to hold it as you are taking a shower
 
pintoca said:
Btw, I "forgot" to mention. What opinion do you have of your American fellows who come to live in Europe and:

1. Show no interest AT ALL to learn the local language, and even worse, expect absolutely EVERYBODY to speak with them in English? They go to a store, party or anywhere and don't even ask if the people speak english, they simply start talking and that is. At the beginnind I usually jumped in to help as interpreter, now I only do it for tourists.
2. Put their kids in "International schools" because GOD FORBID they learn something different than the American way
3. Show no respect whatsoever, nor interest, for the local culture?
4. After X numbers of years here, still compare to Dollar prices and bitch when stuff is more expensive here or they can pay with Credit Cards

LOL LOL LOL LOL Too funny
These folks really get on my nerves. I've got tons of stories like these too. But the worst are the Americans that constantly compare here with there. It's always bigger and better.
 
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Hengst said:
LOL LOL LOL LOL Too funny
These folks really get on my nerves. I've got tons of stories like these too. But the worst are the Americans that constantly compare here with there. It's always bigger and better.

"And ourt cars back there have cupholders as STANDARD equipment man, you don't have to pay extra for them!!!"

Hengst and I should have a meat up. I will shoot you a PM next time I'm in Amsterdam, I go with relative frequency, our HQ is there.
 
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pintoca said:
Hengst and I should have a meat up. I will shoot you a PM next time I'm in Amsterdam, I go with relative frequency, our HQ is there.

Whoah... Good luck with your "meat up" :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

Please don't post pics tho :mix:
 
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mrplunkey said:
Whoah... Good luck with your "meat up" :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

Please don't post pics tho :mix:

that is regular ef lingo

ask sawaslestat98007

they love'em meatups

extra meaty
 
pintoca said:
lol @ "me" having identity problems. DJ_UFO, re-read your post man, carefully. Who do you think has identity problems? I embrace what I am, I contribute to the society where I live EXACTLY as any german-born, I have all the same rights and responsibilites (except the right to vote, for now).

Why should I despise what I am? The only reason why we left Vzla was because we completely disagreed with the Politics of the Country and that was not the environment I wanted for my family to grow.

If the US goes to shit, will you stay and rot with it or will you look for better opportunities for you and yours?

I would not think about it twice to go back to Vzla if it turns for the beter (and that starts by getting rid of Chavez) because you only have ONE country, regardless of how many years you live somewhere else you will always be an "EXTRANJERO" (oops, sorry, did that word hurt your ears? my bad). I could easily invest in Venezuela if I wanted, interest rates are on my side, but we don't, we invest here, as expensive as it is, because as it is right now, this is our home, our son was born and we can foresee a life here.

Idealism and Patriotism are one thing, being stupid, naive and blind is an entirely different cup of tea.



Bro. Believe me. I respect your opinion. LOL. I've had this conversation more than once with different people from around the world. AT the end, I tell the same to south americans. I respect your opinions because that's the way you think, that's the way you plan, that's the way you use your logic and that's your explanation of common sense and existencialism.

Now eho can decide who's right and who's not? Simple. Under your psychological profile, South American countries have been ruled and built for hundreds of years; in the other hand, Americans with their profile, have ruled and built The United States for hundreds of years; who's been more successful? .....................I know...you'll never mention the answer. Everybody knows already.


P.S. And no, I swear, if for any reason some day The United States go down, I will never leave this country for "a better one". Remember I never came here because I was "looking a better opportunity". And I don't even feel that I came here in my daily life. I just feel from here and would die 10 times if necessary for this nation. The rest of the world for me never was, is not, and will never be an option. Period.
 
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