There never was a Jesus

[Robert Jan]

Certainly if there has really been a Jesus and he caused the things he is supposed to have caused, Philo of Alexandria and Flavius Josephus would have mentioned him somewhere in their detailed notes of this time, which included comment on the events in the area of jesus' life.

The passage in Tacitus' "Annales" liber XV, caput 44 that describes the trial and execution of a Jesus is simply a later editing, not written until some hundreds of years later, simply a fraud.

There is no Eastern religion, in which some sacred virgin doesnt give birth to a Messiah. Not only is Christianity untrue, its also shamelessly unoriginal.

 

[Gymgurl]

Some one is stiring the pot this morning

 

[from zero]

Some one is stiring the pot this morning

Yeah. Stir that motherfucker, RJ!!

 

[c-sharp minor]

Amazingly, the question of an actual historical Jesus rarely confronts the religious believer. The power of faith has so forcefully driven the minds of most believers, and even apologetic scholars, that the question of reliable evidence gets obscured by tradition, religious subterfuge, and outrageous claims.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

hehe

 

[Buddy_Christ]

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

hehe

summarize. that's a lot to read.

i've often marveled at how others can instill such belief into something that someone else tells them is true.

jesus may have been a real person, who knows. but voices speaking from the sky and all sorts of other stories in the bible that claim devine intervention and what not...honestly, if half those stories were true, don't you think that someone would've stepped in before/during/after 9/11 and taken care of some problems? and what about all the wars we've fought?

however, i'm still going to order 2 buddy christs. one for my dashboard and one for on top of my moniter

 

[c-sharp minor]

i've often marveled at how others can instill such belief into something that someone else tells them is true.

I agree 100%.

Here is the end of the article.



Conclusion

Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.

Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.

Of course a historical Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed. A myth may have occurred out of faithful beliefs about a Christ. Perhaps the stories resulted from an integration of many would-be messiahs. We can concoct and invent many scenarios. But these come only from speculation and guesses. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus "the Christ." We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.

So if you hear anyone who claims to have evidence for a witness of a historical Jesus, simply ask for the author's birth date. Anyone who's birth occurred after an event cannot serve as an eyewitness, nor can their words alone serve as evidence for that event.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

good point at the end there. without actual evidence to support it, why should we believe? if that's the case, then i'm going to start telling women that they'll live forever if they have sex with me whenever i ask them to.

 

[Robert Jan]

hehe

 

[Robert Jan]

good point at the end there. without actual evidence to support it, why should we believe? if that's the case, then i'm going to start telling women that they'll live forever if they have sex with me whenever i ask them to.

Many people did this sort of thing. Most cult leaders have sex with their followers. Baghwan at some time has women fighting over who could wipe his ass

 

[c-sharp minor]

hehe