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THEMACHINE1... i'm calling you out dude!!!

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satchboogie said:
but all with love!

is that you in your avatar?
if yes, fuckin aye amigo! good work!!

tell us a bit about your training history, diet, and cycles.

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Satch, when I first signed on tonight, I checked my profile and seen the Karma you gave me and you asked me to find the thread with you calling me out, I was like great, what the hell is this shit all about. You had me all fired up and going crazy trying to find this thread, now that Ive read it Im disappointed :D, just kidding bro, I really do appreciate the compliment.
Yes, that is me in the avatar, but it really amazes me how many people question it or are impressed with it, I really dont think that pic looks that good, but I guess I can be a little tough on myself though. I really hate typing a lot so I'll try to keep this short for you guys. My father got me training around the age of 14 because I started to get a little chubby :), from there it just grew on me and I loved it. I began really training hard around the age of 19, and because I was chubby I started taking my diet serious. It was pretty much trial and error with diet and training and I was able to figure what worked best for me over the next couple years. I met people here and there and became a question asking machine, I still ask a shit load of questions. I began to really take interest in the science of dieting and began studying it as much as I could, Im currently going for my degree in science and nutrition. I met a guy about 3 years ago that had his pro card and I asked him to give me a hand with diet, training, etc, since I felt that I still had a lot to learn. I have learned so much from him over the past 3 years it is unbelievable. At the time I met him I was doing a no carb, high fat diet, trying to cut up. He changed my diet up completely, adding carbs and taking away most of the fat, at first I thought no way could I get cut with carbs, but that pic in the avatar I used his diet and got more cut than I ever had been before. I have no desire to compete, none at all, so for the past 4 years Ive bulked up in the winter and cut up in the summer and took pics so I could see my improvement. This year I had my first photoshoot, I had showed my pics to a publisher of a few mags, and he scheduled a photoshoot. I prepared for it as if I was getting ready for a comp and everything worked out pretty good. I dont have the pics to post, but I do have a couple my fiance took before the shoot while I was getting ready, I'll see if I can email them to someone to post up. Shit, my bad, didnt realize how much I typed. Thanks again for the compliment Satch. Just to let you know I have noticed the improvement youve made over the past year or so and the pic in the avatar looks great bro.
 
hey bud, could u please send me that diet especially after seeing your pic....i need soemthing to look at to make sure mine is decent!
 
Writing my diet out wont help you bro, you dont have to eat the exact same things as me to achieve the same goal. If you want you could PM your diet to me and I could take a look at it and answer any questions you have.
 
that's too hard to do bro.....i am lazy...LOL! i will write it out now for ya...thanks!
 
I just checked the few I have saved in my email and none are relaxed. Sorry Georgie. Why you got to be such a pain in the ass? :D
 
The Terminator said:
I like this avatar better than your last one (it was hanging a bit low for me :eek2: ).

Plus you look like you have added some nice thickness without sacrificing any definition :)
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I figured you guys would appreciate me pulling the shorts up a little :D. I did add some thickness, but not that much, about 15lbs since the other pic. I was right at 200lbs for the photoshoot, at 5'11.

Bobby, I only run a couple cycles a year and keep everything pretty much basic and on the lighter side. I mainly run test at 500mg-750mg/wk and then throw in either deca for bulking or fina for cutting. Usually run each cycle for about 12-14 weeks then take time off. Ive been off everything for about 3 months now and waiting until I go off of night shift to run my next cycle which will be test and deca, maybe some dbol thrown in there as well.

Like I said, I dont compete, so theres really no need to go any higher with the amounts.
 
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Thanks machine, any specific type of training (5x5, HIT, DC, etc) how about volume and frenquency?? Apologies in advance, I'm big on quesitions myself. :chomp: :chomp:

Thanks, BJenious.
 
Bjenious, I basically train each body part 1 day per week. Right now Im training mon - fri and taking the weekends off to recover. Each bodypart I use about 4 different exercises, 3-4 sets, and keep the reps between 6-12. I love incorporating drop sets and feel that I have grown the most from these. I use drop sets with every bodypart.
 
The Greatest said:
give us an outline of your diet at least. a typical day.
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My diet is always changing for different goals. Im currently on a maintaining diet, and will start adding cals and carbs soon to try and add some mass. My bodyfat always goes up while bulking. When cutting my diet changes as I progress, so by you asking me what my diet is on a typical day, I really dont know what to tell ya :) Its been almost 3 months since that pic and Ive since added about 2-3% BF back on, maybe even 4%, who knows. I cant stay that way year round, my metabolism wont let me.
 
try gh for fat rebound, it might save you headaches and put you ahead of the game next time you wanna trim down..just a thought
 
georgie24 said:
try gh for fat rebound, it might save you headaches and put you ahead of the game next time you wanna trim down..just a thought
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I think you and I have talked about this before. GH is definately something I will giving a try in the near future, just not a priority right now, not in the budget with my wedding coming up and buying a house. I do agree with you though Georgie.
 
sweeeeeet bro sweeeeeeet!!!

always a pleasure to see a good bro with so much passion about bb'ing.
by the way..

you and i have a date next summer!!

so prepare yourself, my good friend, as i'm calling you out around march/april!
i'm actually prepared to get worked pretty good as you're in MUCH better shape right now. but competition amongst friends is healthy and these contests are true motivators.

all with love of course. :heart:

btw..

i vote you as one of elites top physiques!!!
 
wasup the machine

looking solid bro

can you tell me how many cals you eat when cutting ? and what is your macronutrient ratio intake ?

Do you eat below your BMR when cutting ?


Victor
 
Eh machine bro. Looking very good bro. I always find it hard to believe that you are an endo-meso. Unbelieveable. YOu must be more towards meso than endo. You do not look you could have heavy fat storage like most endos do. You are living proof you can fight genetics.

You do got me curious as to what your buddy taught you here...

"He changed my diet up completely, adding carbs and taking away most of the fat, at first I thought no way could I get cut with carbs, but that pic in the avatar I used his diet and got more cut than I ever had been before."

It has me very curious especially cause he is cutting out the fats. Lets not keep a bro in suspense, post up what he taught ya bro. lol. We know 1 diet dosent work for everyone, but the more different ones people see the more knowledge they gain. I agree with Satchy boy .. you do have a passion for it, .. I love to see people like that.

Cheers,
Mavy
 
satchboogie said:
sweeeeeet bro sweeeeeeet!!!

always a pleasure to see a good bro with so much passion about bb'ing.
by the way..

you and i have a date next summer!!

so prepare yourself, my good friend, as i'm calling you out around march/april!
i'm actually prepared to get worked pretty good as you're in MUCH better shape right now. but competition amongst friends is healthy and these contests are true motivators.

all with love of course. :heart:

btw..

i vote you as one of elites top physiques!!!
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Competition among friends is definately a healthy motivation tool, I am constantly competing with friends. What are your stats right now Satch?
Well, I really didnt like how things went with you and JAs comp, with the immaturity of some bros, but I cant turn down someone calling me out :D

I dont know about them dates though Satch. Im getting married in June, and most likely Im gonna start bulking in October, then start cutting and getting for the wedding around March or April. Im gonna try and get them pics from the photoshoot and scan them so I can email them to you, just so you know what you'll be up against :D.

Oh, and thanks for the vote Satch. I truly dont believe that I have one of the top physiques, but thanks.
 
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Mavy said:
Eh machine bro. Looking very good bro. I always find it hard to believe that you are an endo-meso. Unbelieveable. YOu must be more towards meso than endo. You do not look you could have heavy fat storage like most endos do. You are living proof you can fight genetics.
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Well believe it Mavy, I'll post some pics around the end of Oct or November for you, you'll believe me. This year Im gonna try and stay as strict as I can with diet while bulking, but I need to enjoy life also, so I tend to take advantage of this while bulking. I need to bullshit with you about something bro, check your email in a little bit.
 
Bro you can mail me pic below at my addy and i'll be happy to post them up for you


RADAR
 
Thanks boys, not sure what my arms are in them picks, I think the last time I measured they were 18 3/4. Cant seem to hit that 19" mark.
 
georgie24 said:
he's prolly doing a line of isopure right up his nose lol
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lol, actually I ran out this morning and had to grab an old jug of Optimum to bring to work with me :mad:

Hey Vic, I just signed on, I'll shoot you a PM shortly. And just to answer your question for everyone else, I dont really worry too much about cals while dieting, Im too lazy to count cals all day long, so I dont worry about my BMR, I mainly concentrate on my macronutrient ratios and timing.
 
im running out of my isopure too you recomended me, im actually getting tired of the taste, what other flavors are good bro? i love the way it mixes btw
 
I actually havent gotten tired of the taste yet of the Pineapple-orange flavor, so I havent tried any of the other newe flavors but I want to soon, maybe my next tub. Before the new flavors came out I had used the chocolate, didnt care too much for the vanilla or strawberry, but my training partner loved the strawberry. Try one of the other new flavors Georgie, let me know which one you try and I'll grab one of the others so we can see what they're like.
 
StrongIsland22 said:
drop sets are real good to break plateau's, great avatar bro.
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Thanks bro, I love drop sets. one of my favorite exercises is what I call running the rack, I do a 3 drop set of standing dumbell curls, going for 8 reps on each drop, talk about a fucking burn.
 
machine interested in your view on macro-nutrient timing care to expand?

P.S IMO you have one of the best physiques on the boards
 
maccer said:
machine interested in your view on macro-nutrient timing care to expand?

P.S IMO you have one of the best physiques on the boards
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Sorry it took so long to post on this thread, Ive been pretty busy and totally forgot about it. Carbs are important when cutting and as popular as the no cabr high fat diets may seem to be, you wont find a pro that doest use carbs while cutting and preparing for a comp. Carbs have their place in cutting diets, its just a matter of using the right ones and using them at the right times. I had used a no carb high fat diet a few years back and was scared to death of carbs, til I broke down and gave it a try this year, and you can see the results. I had a very hard time mentally with the no carb approach, thats all I fucking thought about, all day long, CARBS! The diet I went with this year, with the addition of carbs, I had very little cravings and I didnt have dreams of white bread and donuts every night. I dont want to get to into detail, I could type for hours, but the best advice I can give is try adding carbs in slowly, if your using a no carb diet, adding them in the first few meals, and in your post workout meal. I go from a bulking diet to slowly taking carbs away, beginning in the evening hours, unless I train at night, if I train at night I still need the carbs post workout. Every couple weeks I take another carb meal out, the lowest I go is 200g carbs for the final month and then about 100g the last week. But, the majority of the fat loss is when Im getting about 300-200g carbs per day. I only add efas to 1 or 2 meals through the day, no more, so there isnt that much fat in the diet. Try it out, just remember that you cant be scared of carbs.
 
Great advice, i think i'm going to take that approach on my next cut cycle...seems to be a lot of support about keeping carbs in but limiting fat, and timing the carbs so they are used instead of stored as fat.

Thanks for the info

MIke
 
BobbyJenious said:
What are your main sources of carbs? Swt. potates, brown rice, veggies, oatemeal, etc??
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My main sources of carbs are oats, brown rice, and sweet potatos, at least with my last diet. I eat a shit load of chicken and brown rice. My biggest problem is that I dont like salad or lettuce, never have, Ive tried but I cant eat it. I have to eat cooked broccoli for my veggie source, which isnt the best, but its better than nothing.
 
I used to live off canned chicken in college, 70-80 grams of protiens per can, you can beat it. Its killer with black beans, brown rice, and a little mozzerella.
 
I agree with you in that it has tons of tiny little chunks of fat that you have to either pick out or gag on, and it smells like cat food. However, as far as conveinience and price its a score. My new kick is trader joes pre grilled and sliced chicken breast. Its 5$ a container and contains roughly 4 breasts (fresh, no rib meat, additives, etc) all grilled and cut. It makes life on the go so much easier.
 
BobbyJenious said:
I agree with you in that it has tons of tiny little chunks of fat that you have to either pick out or gag on, and it smells like cat food. However, as far as conveinience and price its a score. My new kick is trader joes pre grilled and sliced chicken breast. Its 5$ a container and contains roughly 4 breasts (fresh, no rib meat, additives, etc) all grilled and cut. It makes life on the go so much easier.
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I love trader joes, they have a lot of shit there that I like.
 
thanks for the reply machine!! appreciated!!

I have been trying to get leaner for ages and have just started no carbs with a carb up every 72 hours, just want to see if I can get quicker results, you have made me consider this now
 
Themachine01 said:
Sorry it took so long to post on this thread, Ive been pretty busy and totally forgot about it. Carbs are important when cutting and as popular as the no cabr high fat diets may seem to be, you wont find a pro that doest use carbs while cutting and preparing for a comp. Carbs have their place in cutting diets, its just a matter of using the right ones and using them at the right times. I had used a no carb high fat diet a few years back and was scared to death of carbs, til I broke down and gave it a try this year, and you can see the results. I had a very hard time mentally with the no carb approach, thats all I fucking thought about, all day long, CARBS! The diet I went with this year, with the addition of carbs, I had very little cravings and I didnt have dreams of white bread and donuts every night. I dont want to get to into detail, I could type for hours, but the best advice I can give is try adding carbs in slowly, if your using a no carb diet, adding them in the first few meals, and in your post workout meal. I go from a bulking diet to slowly taking carbs away, beginning in the evening hours, unless I train at night, if I train at night I still need the carbs post workout. Every couple weeks I take another carb meal out, the lowest I go is 200g carbs for the final month and then about 100g the last week. But, the majority of the fat loss is when Im getting about 300-200g carbs per day. I only add efas to 1 or 2 meals through the day, no more, so there isnt that much fat in the diet. Try it out, just remember that you cant be scared of carbs.
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bro..
if 200g per day is the lowest you go on any given cuttin routine consider yourself genetically gifted.

for me, carb intake on cuttin routines is restricted to pre and post workouts at which time i consume 30g per meal. any other time of the day its 10g or less... which is very very little. but my body does NOT like to lose fat and every pound is a struggle.
 
I will have to agree with my bro themachine here .

I have been eating around 170 g of carbs PER DAY from the last 14 days and busting my ass off in the gym ED ( weight training + cardio ) and I have lost 8 lbs of PURE , UGLY BODY FAT . I have lost 1.5 inches on my waist . Protein is high and fat is low , very low.

Like he said , carbs are not the EVIL , You gotta use them to CUT , but you must know WHICH ONES to take it and WHEN to take it .

This is how I planed my diet , and NOW this will be my CUTTING DIET forever , whenever I want to cut , I will aproach this diet . It works for me , and works REALLY WELL .

meal 1-Sandwuich - 2 slices whole wheat bread ( I carefully choose the ones with the most fiber per slice , around 4 g fiber per slice, it is really a good choice for a low glycemic carb ) + low fat cottage chesse + no fat slices of turkey breast + 1 glass no fat, no sugar yogurt

- WEIGHT TRAINING

meal 2- POW - 3 scoops whey + 2 bananas ( this is the only time of the day where I use high glycemic carbs )

meal 3- Brown rice + chicken breast

meal 4- 3 scoops whey + olive oil

CARDIO

meal 5- same as meal 1

meal 6-Same as meal 4 .

Notice that I don't mix fat and carbs . Notice that when I do my cardio , I had not ingested any carbs in the last 6 hours , so my glycogen levels are low , meaning that I will lose bodyfat right away when I hit the cardio ...

I also noticed that olive oil is working just as fine as flax seed oil as a good fat source for my diet .

THis is diet is so good at least for me, that I am NEVER HUNGRY , because my blood sugar levels are always stable and I don't get hunger , cravings and all that shit .


Victor
 
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yeah bro , in the past those kinda diet has always worked for me ...but lately it was not working , but it was not working because I wasn't giving enought time for it to work ...

So I was kinda lost and just ready to try a high fat , zero carb , diet .

Then I decided to give it another try , but this time giving it enough time for it to work and doing my cardio ED .....and the results were simply amazing ...

and keep in mind all I am using is yohimburn and liporexin , nothing else , not even ECA or CLEN or any AAS ....

I can't imagine what will happen when I start cutting with this diet and adding masteron , HGH , var , winny and test prop . ;)


Victor
 
VictorBR said:
I will have to agree with my bro themachine here .

I have been eating around 170 g of carbs PER DAY from the last 14 days and busting my ass off in the gym ED ( weight training + cardio ) and I have lost 8 lbs of PURE , UGLY BODY FAT . I have lost 1.5 inches on my waist . Protein is high and fat is low , very low.

Like he said , carbs are not the EVIL , You gotta use them to CUT , but you must know WHICH ONES to take it and WHEN to take it .

This is how I planed my diet , and NOW this will be my CUTTING DIET forever , whenever I want to cut , I will aproach this diet . It works for me , and works REALLY WELL .

meal 1-Sandwuich - 2 slices whole wheat bread ( I carefully choose the ones with the most fiber per slice , around 4 g fiber per slice, it is really a good choice for a low glycemic carb ) + low fat cottage chesse + no fat slices of turkey breast + 1 glass no fat, no sugar yogurt

- WEIGHT TRAINING

meal 2- POW - 3 scoops whey + 2 bananas ( this is the only time of the day where I use high glycemic carbs )

meal 3- Brown rice + chicken breast

meal 4- 3 scoops whey + olive oil

CARDIO

meal 5- same as meal 1

meal 6-Same as meal 4 .

Notice that I don't mix fat and carbs . Notice that when I do my cardio , I had not ingested any carbs in the last 6 hours , so my glycogen levels are low , meaning that I will lose bodyfat right away when I hit the cardio ...

I also noticed that olive oil is working just as fine as flax seed oil as a good fat source for my diet .

THis is diet is so good at least for me, that I am NEVER HUNGRY , because my blood sugar levels are always stable and I don't get hunger , cravings and all that shit .


Victor
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Curios as to why your eating 2 bananas post workout. the carbs from the bananas will replenish your liver glycogen, not muscle gycogen.
 
maybe I am wrong but I was under the impression that ALL carbs would replenish liver and MUSCLE glycogen ....

I am not sure here . I even bought some maltodextrin to use post workout with the whey BUT I am afraid of getting fat from this shit ....

Can anyone give input ? themachine ? anyone ?


Victor
 
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VictorBR said:
maybe I am wrong but I was under the impression that ALL carbs would replenish liver and MUSCLE glycogen ....

I am not sure here . I even bought some maltodextrin to use post workout with the whey BUT I am afraid of getting fat from this shit ....

Can anyone give input ? themachine ? anyone ?


Victor
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just use r-ala and dextrose
 
I was actually going to try that on the bulking phase of my cycle ...

I am just paranoid about using malto when cutting ....but I think I will give it a try


Victor
 
i ordered malto and dextro from the same company i forgot the name but,

detrose was like this

75g carbs
75g sugar

malto was
75g carbs
0g sugar

per serving!!
 
yep , the bananas HAVE always WORKED really well for me ...

So fructose should be good for PWO ...

BUt I will try the malto and dextrose and see what happens....


Victor
 
I have used dextrose in the past while bulking and it seemed to work well. While cutting up to get ready for my photoshoot I used 3/4C dry oats post workout. Now Im going to be trying something new starting in the next couple weeks, Im going to be using 10oz of white potato post workout along with 60g isolate.
 
Themachine01 said:
I have used dextrose in the past while bulking and it seemed to work well. While cutting up to get ready for my photoshoot I used 3/4C dry oats post workout. Now Im going to be trying something new starting in the next couple weeks, Im going to be using 10oz of white potato post workout along with 60g isolate.
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Can you elaborate a little as to why your going for white potatoe PW, have you started using it yet??
 
dextrose replinshes muscle glycogen faster than anything around...Maltodextrin is extremely high on the Glycemic index, as is dextrose...You will not get fat from using either one PWO...It's essential for recovery, but you want to limit the use of Malto/Dextrose to PWO. Then stick to low glycemic carbs in the first have off the day, and then start tapering with Protein/fat/no carb meals.
 
I have used dextrose in the past, I think I mentioned it in this thread somewhere, but I switched to oats and didnt notice a difference. I feel that white potato might be a better choice because you will most likely absord it better than the oats. Actually I didnt think of this on my own, I was out to dinner with a couple people this past friday, chinese buffett, and one of the guys used to compete about 10 years ago, competed for 11 years straight. I asked what he had used for PW carbs and he said that he found white potatos to work the best, so I figured I would give it a try.
 
Themachine01 said:
I have used dextrose in the past, I think I mentioned it in this thread somewhere, but I switched to oats and didnt notice a difference. I feel that white potato might be a better choice because you will most likely absord it better than the oats. Actually I didnt think of this on my own, I was out to dinner with a couple people this past friday, chinese buffett, and one of the guys used to compete about 10 years ago, competed for 11 years straight. I asked what he had used for PW carbs and he said that he found white potatos to work the best, so I figured I would give it a try.
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eh bro .. this is a subject that deserves a thread on its own, ... just because it is sooo controversial. I would be curious to see how you make out with the potatoes. My brother does this, eats a baked potato, and drinks whey isolate in water for a postworkout meal. He thought that the the big difference between this meal and oats was the timing of the potato PW meal. He took the potato 30 mins prior to training, but used to take the oatmeal 1hr prior... thinking that the potato had a much higher GI.

Well .. turns out that oats are roughly the same GI, most oats are even actually a little bit higher. Both have good carbs, but the oats actually have more.

Potatoes unlike almost ALL other veggies are quite high in carbohydrate. So, despite the fact that other veggies have a high GI, their glycemic load (GI x carb per serve divided by 100) is low, so they would suck for preworkout. These are "carbless and carbs", and are good for other meals throughout the day, but not for pre or post nutrition.

Everything I have read tells me that oats would be a better choice, but it definately dosent hurt to mix things up. I love potatoes, but cant eat them plain. Need butter or gravy, or sour cream on them or someting like that to make em taste good ... unfortunatley then it becomes a conplete shit food! lol. I could always down the hatch with them though I guess. Let me know if you notice a difference machine bro, would be very curious to here how you like the change. :beer:

Cheers,
Macy
 
Mavy said:
Cheers,
Macy
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Hey Macy, I'll definately let you guys know how I make out. I am getting pretty sick of dry oats post workout and was thinking of going back to dextrose for a while, but now Im looking forward to give the white potatoe a try. Im going to go with about 10oz, which is a pretty nice size potato. Im also going to use that 0cal 'I cant believe its not butter' spray on it.
 
lol ... ya Macy is my twin sister, she posts for me sometimes. haha. Thats an idea with the butter ... but I really dont want to know what the heck is actually in a can of 0cal Spray on butter? Probably metled plastic. lol. At least its some flavour though. hehehehe. keep me in the loop bro.
 
Your gonna have to send me some pics of your sis bro, Macy sounds hot :D. To tell you the truth Mavy, I dont know if youve ever tried it, but the shit actually tastes pretty good, but like you said I wouldnt want to know what is in it. The way the Nutritional Facts are allowed to do things nowadays by the FDA, I would have to think that if you use a good amount that there are cals and there is some fat in there. The only thing that I do know is that it is loaded with sodium, but Im bulking so sodium doesnt matter to me.
 
what to mix with my brown rice and chicken breast is my dilema, i tried salsa but its getting old quick, any other tips would be nice
 
georgie24 said:
what to mix with my brown rice and chicken breast is my dilema, i tried salsa but its getting old quick, any other tips would be nice
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Black beans bro! I am eat them mixed in with rice EVERYDAY. I love them now. And in all honesty .. they are a miracle food. Soooooooooo many health benefits. See this...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326803&highlight=black

Talk to JKurtz ... got him on the "bean train", lately.

Mavy
 
Read that thread bro .. you will be confinced to try them. Great carbs, great protien, great fibre, great anti-oxidant, all round excellent. I buy them by the can, the organic hippy shit (they seem bigger and meatier), i think the brand is Eden or something like that. Just rinse them in a strainer, and add to meals. I actually really like them now, and add them to lots of meals. The extra fibre is nice bro, when you are eating high protien. Nice smooth, greasy steamers! hahaha. THey are not gassy like other beans are.
 
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