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The Walmart you don't know

Not only are we shopping are way to unemployement, but our relationships with crooks like the IMF and World Bank will destroy all we claim to hold as right.
 
supermarkets like Tesco's are often accused of the same thing....
 
ChefWide said:
Not only are we shopping are way to unemployement, but our relationships with crooks like the IMF and World Bank will destroy all we claim to hold as right.

Woooh...You've got more than 2 brain cells!
 
why, thank you wodin.
 
Hengst said:
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

The giant retailer's low prices often come with a high cost. Wal-Mart's relentless pressure can crush the companies it does business with and force them to send jobs overseas. Are we shopping our way straight to the unemployment line?

Such attacks on large corporations always neglect the history of free enterprise. Where is Standard Oil, Woolworths, Texas Instruments, K-Mart, etc.?

The real danger of Wal-Mart is in its use of local government's power of eminent domain.
 
I was just taking a poetic shit on Standard Oil in post yesterday, by coincidence. The imediate danger is of course the far reaching and insidious tentacles of any company that holds such sway within its own medium. WalMart handles one out of every 10 cents sold retail in the US.

Watchout.
 
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atlantabiolab said:


Such attacks on large corporations always neglect the history of free enterprise. Where is Standard Oil, Woolworths, Texas Instruments, K-Mart, etc.?

The real danger of Wal-Mart is in its use of local government's power of eminent domain.

did you even read the article?
 
It;s good to point out that wal Mart harms many of its suppliers (the Vlasic reference, etc.)

The insidous nature of it all, and the article doesn't really get into this enough, is that wal-Mart represents a huge revenue boostr for many small businesses, but once the contracts are signed, wal Mart forces them to change the way they do business to suit Wal Mart and only Wal Mart.

Eventually, the supplier chanegs itself to fit its biggest customer, and then wal MArt extracts ridiculous price concessions that the supplier has no choice but to give it, as it has neglected other customers.

Sophisticated business people often avoid Wal Mart, but it is unreasonable to criticize them too much - they have lowered the cost of many goods for hundreds of millions of Americans.
 
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yes they have lowered the cost... but as the article points out... at what price.

So they make it easier for lower income people to buy certain items they normally couldnt afford. But those lower income people are the ones most affected by layoffs, factory closures etc...

no... Wal Mart is not solely responsible for it... but its obvious they are playing a part.

American consumers have to STOP looking for the absolute lowest price for everything and start considering the business practices of places they do business with.

I will never shop at Wal Mart. I had my reasons before... but this article really opened my eyes.
 
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Milo Hobgoblin said:


American consumers have to STOP looking for the absolute lowest price for everything and start considering the business practices of places they do business with.


Wal Mart gives the people what they want.

This other stuff is secondary.
 
youi're right

and therein lies the problem.

American need to shift their attitudes about consumption. Until they do things will get worse for the average American.

Every day that we continue to shop like this is another day we get closer to becoming a socialist country.
 
Matt, did you come by your total shortsightedness naturally? or did you get a big box of "I dont give a fuck about anybody but myself" for the holidays last year?

I suppose you have no problem with kids in sweatshops or slave labor or forced labor at gunpoint either?

What the fuck DO you care about, besides money?
 
ChefWide said:
Matt, did you come by your total shortsightedness naturally? or did you get a big box of "I dont give a fuck about anybody but myself" for the holidays last year?

I suppose you have no problem with kids in sweatshops or slave labor or forced labor at gunpoint either?

What the fuck DO you care about, besides money?

I give more back to the community in a fiscal year than you will in your entire life.

Just so you know.

And I've never bought anything at wal mart.
 
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MattTheSkywalker said:


Wal Mart gives the people what they want.

This other stuff is secondary.


Then i guess you think that the "other" stuff IS NOT secondary.
 
ChefWide said:


I suppose you have no problem with kids in sweatshops

A personal anecdote:

I was in Savannah GA a few years ago for the St. Patrick's Day festival. If you've never been, I strongly suggest you go.

Anyway i was wearing a Nike / Syracuse sweatshirt was a big orange swoosh on it. This young girl from teh "Savannah College of Art and Design" walked up to me and said "Don;t you know Nike uses sweatshops to make their stuff"?

So I looked at her and said, "Sweatshirt....sweatshop - makes perfect sense to me".

I really couldn;t care less.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


I give more back to the community in a fiscal year than you will in your entire life.

Just so you know.

And I've never bought anything at wal mart.

I think you're pretty on the ball generally speaking but this is an absurd thing to say.

You have no reason to say something like this. You know nothing about who he is or how much he makes... not that that determines the worth of an individual anyways.

Arrogant comments like this detract from the insightful things you sometimes have to say.
 
Lift Chief said:


I think you're pretty on the ball generally speaking but this is an absurd thing to say.

You have no reason to say something like this. You know nothing about who he is or how much he makes... not that that determines the worth of an individual anyways.

Arrogant comments like this detract from the insightful things you sometimes have to say.

OK. you win. When he makes ass-head comments it's OK, but when I do it, it's bad. Yawn. If he creates scores of jobs in his community I will apologize for the comments. Otherwise, no can do.


Milo,

Ultimate capitalist? Nahh...it's all perspective, picking your battles. Railing against outsourcing or offshorign is like shoveling shit against the tide. it;s never going to stop.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


OK. you win. When he makes ass-head comments it's OK, but when I do it, it's bad. Yawn. If he creates scores of jobs in his community I will apologize for the comments. Otherwise, no can do.


Milo,

Ultimate capitalist? Nahh...it's all perspective, picking your battles. Railing against outsourcing or offshorign is like shoveling shit against the tide. it;s never going to stop.

Although it's obviously futile most people would probably say one should be at least idealistically against sweatshops and the like.

You can be a strong capitalist without being cold-hearted to the point of absurdity.

You're entitled to make ass-head comments... as we see... but again you have no idea what his job is or how much he makes.

Working on the assumption that you're one of the richest and therefore best on elite possibly belies interesting things about your personality... off the web.

wow it was hard to work belies into that sentence :(
 
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I guess the difference is that I do not beleive those things are good for the country or the economy. You do... and you hold the dollar higher than any other value or ideal.

I strongly believe Matt... that you would sell this country out if given the chance. Everyone has their priorities.

Maybe if you had kids and a hope for their future you would feel differently.

And although you may thinks its akin to "shovelling shit against the tide" Im not the kind of person to just give in... no matter what the odds.

enough people shovelling shit may hold the tide back long enough to build a damn.

and Id rather die trying that not try at all. And many of my countrymen feel the same way.
 
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Milo Hobgoblin said:


I strongly believe Matt... that you would sell this country out if given the chance. Everyone has their priorities.

Maybe if you had kids and a hope for their future you would feel differently.

I served my country for three years. I feel like I paid the price of admission. I actually do want to make change, but my understanding of how to do it may be different than yours. The mediam household income is only $43K - that means 50% of households earn less thanthat. Trying to get them to "buy American" at a greater cost is foolish.

Sometimes we need to take a cold hard look at what the "average American" is: a low income earning, weakly educated "working class" person who cannot se past the immediate future. Then we need to re-orient our ideas on how to make change, since these people will probably never be change agents.

I don't have kids and that is probably a factor in my world view. My sister does though (well, due in January) .....so I am not without a personalized window to the next generation.


Lift Chief,

That was a nice job getting "belies" in there. Off of EF.com I stay in a very small circle. I've seen a lot in my life (through military life and moving around a lot) but I admit that I don't believe we are al equal, and I keep my circles pretty small. I don't think many people have much to offer, and I will find those who do. :)
 
Americans can only blame Americans for the loss of jobs and crappy economy we have.... All of the corp heads want to increase their revenue and profits to get a big fat check at the end of the quarter/year. To do so, they must lower their overhead costs and what other way would be to send the manufacturing process overseas where labor is so dirt cheap.

Walmart is almost as bad as Microsoft... their unfair practices have driven many mom/pop shops out of business....
 
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Matt... you have to start somewhere.

Doing nothing... apathy and cruising along for the easy ride on a comfortable income may be working for you... but it wont work for your sisters kids... any your friends kids or anyone else that will keep this country going in the future.

At its current trend your beloved capitialism will go the way of the dinosaur..along with this country.

Can you not see the parallels to Rome? I know you can... the difference is that we are only 200 years old... not 2000. And its happening at an accelerated pace.

I do not think the average American is stupid (not saying you do) but I do think they spend the majority of their existence in a day to day struggle to put food on the table. And in their mind cannot afford the luxury to consider these things.

But what they do NOT realize is that being inconsiderate to these ideals will only eternally perpetuate their plight.

Our media will NEVER educate them to these ideals... and you and I WILL disagree to the reasons why.. but nontheless I think you will agree they will never get the messgae for whatever reason.

Somehow, someway... the average American NEEDS to be told, educated and has to become more Nationalistic in their attitudes and cultures. Its up to people like us... educated people who care about the future of this country to teach them one by one.. neighborhood by neighborhood.

The Barabrians are at the gate.. they are banging loudly and our rulers our letting them in slowly, but surely. And the ones the arent getting in are stealing little bits of Rome peice by peice and using to build their own Romes in far away places like China, Mexico and India.


maybe you think Im an idealist. I am. I am also a staunch Nationalist and a Patriot. I beleive in capitialism... but capitialism with ethics... maybe an impossible idea.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


A personal anecdote:

I was in Savannah GA a few years ago for the St. Patrick's Day festival. If you've never been, I strongly suggest you go.

Anyway i was wearing a Nike / Syracuse sweatshirt was a big orange swoosh on it. This young girl from teh "Savannah College of Art and Design" walked up to me and said "Don;t you know Nike uses sweatshops to make their stuff"?

So I looked at her and said, "Sweatshirt....sweatshop - makes perfect sense to me".

I really couldn;t care less.

LOL exactly!
 
From what I see in this thread, emotion is the driving force. Not one person, save the article, has demonstrated any reason for why WalMart's practices are going to destroy the country. The machination of industry was seen as the same "destructive" force, in the early 1900's. Everyone was scrambling and yelling "the sky is falling", yet nothing happened, save some jobs were lost and new jobs were created.

If Wal-Mart's practices go against the principles of economics, then it will suffer. It cannot change human action.
 
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I think you missed the point of some of the article Atlantabiolab..


Wal Mart has become so strong its actually MODIFYING natural driving forces in the economy to its favor... and to the disfavor of everyone else.

read the article again.

they make a reference to A&P in the early 20th century and how laws were enacted to keep them from causing severe damage to the economy.
 
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Milo Hobgoblin said:
Matt... you have to start somewhere.

Doing nothing... apathy and cruising along for the easy ride on a comfortable income may be working for you... but it wont work for your sisters kids... any your friends kids or anyone else that will keep this country going in the future.

If you think I am "cruising along" you are mistaken. I could retire today and live comfortably. I work like a dog, and the reasons I do it are to accumulate enough that one day I will force change on people unable or unwilling to make their own.


I do not think the average American is stupid (not saying you do) but I do think they spend the majority of their existence in a day to day struggle to put food on the table. And in their mind cannot afford the luxury to consider these things.

But what they do NOT realize is that being inconsiderate to these ideals will only eternally perpetuate their plight.

The average American has no concept of anything beyond their town and their TV set. Most people live and die and no one ever knows. You're wasting your time trying to reach them. The only way to impact their lives is to change the structure that they live in. It requires tremendous money and power to do these things.



Our media will NEVER educate them to these ideals... and you and I WILL disagree to the reasons why.. but nontheless I think you will agree they will never get the messgae for whatever reason.

The media exists to sell things, no other reason. One of my longer term goals is media involvement.



Somehow, someway... the average American NEEDS to be told, educated and has to become more Nationalistic in their attitudes and cultures. Its up to people like us... educated people who care about the future of this country to teach them one by one.. neighborhood by neighborhood.

I agree with you except for the "one by one" part. You change large groups, by rising above them and changing the structure of their world.


maybe you think Im an idealist. I am. I am also a staunch Nationalist and a Patriot. I beleive in capitialism... but capitialism with ethics... maybe an impossible idea.

I am an idealist too...we want the same things, which is why I was in the Army. I love America. The ways to achieve those outcomes is what we disagree on.
 
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Milo Hobgoblin said:
I think you missed the point of some of the article Atlantabiolab..


Wal Mart has become so strong its actually MODIFYING natural driving forces in the economy to its favor... and to the disfavor of everyone else.

read the article again.

they make a reference to A&P in the early 20th century and how laws were enacted to keep them from causing severe damage to the economy.

Actually they refer to A&P and the laws that were passed on "predatory pricing" but showed no evidence that this occured or how it caused harm. Claiming that laws were passed, does not prove that they were done for valid reasons or benefited anyone, as can be shown in the classic case of Standard Oil and the present day Microsoft case. Anti-trust and Monopoly laws have rarely shown any benefit, save to the disgruntled competitors of the claimed "monopoly". It is simply tools of the competitors to use to attack a more successful company, smothered in terms of social protection.

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=331
 
Wal Mart sucks! They won't sell Maxim magazine because the women in bikinis on the cover are supposedly destoying the countries morals, however, they will gladly sell you 9mm ammo to kill your neighbor. What hipocrisy!
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Wal Mart sucks! They won't sell Maxim magazine because the women in bikinis on the cover are supposedly destoying the countries morals, however, they will gladly sell you 9mm ammo to kill your neighbor. What hipocrisy!

They sell you the ammo to use a firearm. How you use it is not Wal-Mart's issue...
 
VitalRemains said:


Dumbest fucking shit i've ever heard.

Ignorance is bliss for you, huh?

Want to share your perceptions of the average american?
 
Ignorance? Yeah a 5 year Education was real ignorant. Wanna talk about ignorant, calling Working Class "uneducated" is pure ignorance. Not all of us want to be pencil pushing faggots.
 
VitalRemains said:
Ignorance? Yeah a 5 year Education was real ignorant. Wanna talk about ignorant, calling Working Class "uneducated" is pure ignorance. Not all of us want to be pencil pushing faggots.

Pencil pusher? before I got this job I was an Army Ranger, so i don't know who you're talking to, butbased on your reaction i think you have some of your own issues.

5 years and still can't read. :)

Most Americans are working class. (median household income - $43K)

Most Americans are unedcuated (majority does not have a college degree)

There need not be causation for both to be true.

Want to share you percetptions of the average American now, or keep ranting?
 
So a College Degree is a determinant of Education? Hahahahahahahahahahohohohohohohohohohohohohohahahahahahehehehehehahahahohohoho
 
VitalRemains said:
So a College Degree is a determinant of Education? Hahahahahahahahahahohohohohohohohohohohohohohahahahahahehehehehehahahahohohoho

OK I know who you are now.

I'm through with you. :)
 
VitalRemains said:
You know absolutely nothing about me.

OK. you win.

But I know this:

You're just not worth getting to know.

So I know that this is the last time I will respond to you.

Carry on. Somewehre, someone cares.
 
Perhaps, I'm missing something. I understand that Walmart can greatly contribute to company's sales and increase a company's product's visiblity; but, if its affecting profit margin, then can't the company choose to raise its prices?

Sure, the net effect is that Walmart will drop it from the list, but the profit margin was dropping to an unacceptable level. The company can always re-brand its product as a premiere item and not a "cheap" Walmart item and find alternative sales routes.

Yes, it might be more visible as a Walmart item; but I would think the profit margin would be better with the alternative.
 
EnderJE said:
Perhaps, I'm missing something. I understand that Walmart can greatly contribute to company's sales and increase a company's product's visiblity; but, if its affecting profit margin, then can't the company choose to raise its prices?

Sure, the net effect is that Walmart will drop it from the list, but the profit margin was dropping to an unacceptable level. The company can always re-brand its product as a premiere item and not a "cheap" Walmart item and find alternative sales routes.

Yes, it might be more visible as a Walmart item; but I would think the profit margin would be better with the alternative.

If the article told the whole story, you;d be right on.

By being a supplier;s largest customer, wal Mart foces suppliers to comply with everything Wal Mart is doing. Suppliers change their shipping schedule, procuremnet etc in order to satisfy their biggest customer.

This comes to the detriment of other customers, but those accounts are smaller, so the suppliers let them go.

Over time, Wal Mart basically controls the suppliers's operations, and then forces the proft margin down down down. Suppliers are hog tied bevcause they changed their operations to fit wal mart;s demands.

They can;t just drop their biggest account - their whole way of doing business has changed.
 
I think is a wondermous store!

And its swell that Wal-Mart is giving other companies the chance to hire those less fortunate in other countries.

:angel:
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


They sell you the ammo to use a firearm. How you use it is not Wal-Mart's issue...

They also won't sell you cough syrup and sleeping pills at the same time. I saw a guy get rejected for trying to buy them. The cashier said it was company policy, but she could ring them up as separate transactions. Isn't how the customer uses their pills and cough syrup up to the consumer as well? My point is if Walmart wants to be everyone's protective mother, they should be consistent with it across the board.

Also, they won't sell music that contains "dirty words". however, they do sell DVDs that depict the actions spoken of in those songs with "dirty words". They also have no limit on the number of cancer sticks (cigarettes) and chewing tobacco they will sell. Basically, they're trying to push their right wing political agenda on their customers. I don't need a retailer to do that. I shop at either Kmart or Target instead.

On a side note, they stand for low wages, they have been known to force their employees to work overtime off the clock and they hire illegal immigrants to work dirt cheap with no benefits.

The hipocrisy is ludicrous. I don't need a retailer telling me what to buy and what's bad for me. I'd rather make those decisions myself.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Most Americans are working class. (median household income - $43K)

Most Americans are unedcuated (majority does not have a college degree)
These are the facts, and the same thing is true of almost all countries in the world.

MattTheSkywalker said:
Railing against outsourcing or offshorign is like shoveling shit against the tide. it;s never going to stop.
This I totally agree with. Do we want to be successful in the global economy? Then we better learn to be competitive in the global economy. There is a time and place for supposedly applying sappy and emotional christian morals to our actions in the global economy: corporate and government PR. In all other contexts I can think of, we better be competitive, or else.

supernav said:
Investors and stock-holders don't care. They want to see profits.

Walmart want to see profits
Suppliers want to see profits
Investors and shareholder want to see profits

Nothing wrong with this formula. Welcome to the global market.

And if your job got outsourced to Habib in India. Pick a better career next time.
Exactly! If your skills are not in demand, DON'T ask a company (or the government for that matter) to create "demand"!
 
plornive said:
These are the facts, and the same thing is true of almost all countries in the world.

Actually, America's income and education level is higher than much of the world, and is not greatly exceeded by any country. No country anywhere near our population size has avergaes anywherenear this.

People need to realize though that in the US, the middle class has been repalced with the upper-middle classand the working class. Out of 5 middle class people, 1 goes up, 4 go down, as the middle class is slwoly eroded.


This I totally agree with. Do we want to be successful in the global economy? Then we better learn to be competitive in the global economy. There is a time and place for supposedly applying sappy and emotional christian morals to our actions in the global economy: corporate and government PR. In all other contexts I can think of, we better be competitive, or else.

This is a deper issue though. Americans should in theory reap great rewardds from all this utsorucing - things are cheaper, there are more opportunities for Americns to run busiensses more chaeply, increased welath leadsto icnreased spending etc.

But can Americans manage this global economic empire? Is it possible, short of conquering other countruies? Who will American doctors treat? what will American MBAs manage? And so on...
it create ssome interesting issues going forward...



Exactly! If your skills are not in demand, DON'T ask a company (or the government for that matter) to create "demand"!

This I agree with fully.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:



Most Americans are unedcuated (majority does not have a college degree)

A very useless piece of paper in most cases.

Someone graduating with a degree in liberal arts or some basic computer science is just something to add to your resume.

No I do not fall into the $35,000 class. That wouldn’t even cover my Federal Income tax and is near what I get on a return. I DO NOT have a college degree. Do I want one? Not really… The investment would not give me an acceptable return.

Did I go to college? Yes I did. For a year and a half. What I learned in college:

How to be a good subordinate for a company / job / boss
How not to think for yourself
If you are not far left liberal then there is something wrong with you

Education and intelligence should be separated here. A factory line worker, as an example, may NOT have a college degree but may be so good at what he is doing, no school can even come close to his technique.
 
Wal-Mart, in the beginning of its expansion, took losses on products with the intent of putting its local competition out of business.

In all, Wal-Mart’s policy may be to provide the lowest prices today. As we have seen in the past with the telcos (for you older folk out there), when Wal-Mart is the only player on the field that matters, expect to start paying more for the same thing. At that point what choice will you have? Wal-Mart will keep suppliers prices lean and start increasing its profits.

I shop at Wal-Mart; I don’t take sweatshops or forced foreign labor into any consideration. This is something that I really don’t have the time to look into. Should I look into every complaint of every company to try and ferret out who is taking advantage of someone else? If you look that far into it then you can state ALL low paying jobs in some form can be loosely linked to sweat shop labor. Where $2 a day somewhere else may be equal to $50 a day in the United States.

My objective is to get the best product at the best possible price. My objective is to make as much money as possible. Wal-Mart fits into my plan. Second, it’s one stop shopping. This is the most important factor of them all.

It’s not uncommon knowledge that corporations with their huge influence control the world. You can either buck the system and look in from the outside or make adjustments and use the system to your own advantage.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


If the article told the whole story, you;d be right on.

By being a supplier;s largest customer, wal Mart foces suppliers to comply with everything Wal Mart is doing. Suppliers change their shipping schedule, procuremnet etc in order to satisfy their biggest customer.

This comes to the detriment of other customers, but those accounts are smaller, so the suppliers let them go.

Over time, Wal Mart basically controls the suppliers's operations, and then forces the proft margin down down down. Suppliers are hog tied bevcause they changed their operations to fit wal mart;s demands.

They can;t just drop their biggest account - their whole way of doing business has changed.

I get that, but why would the supplier knowingly put themselves in that position? For example, if Walmart provides a company with 30% of sales and offers to go up to 50%, then shouldn't the supplier realize that the position that they could be in and find ways around it? Sure, they'll take a loss initially if they drop Walmart, but the thinking will be that over time they'll be able to make it up.
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
I shop at Wal-Mart; I don’t take sweatshops or forced foreign labor into any consideration. This is something that I really don’t have the time to look into. Should I look into every complaint of every company to try and ferret out who is taking advantage of someone else? If you look that far into it then you can state ALL low paying jobs in some form can be loosely linked to sweat shop labor. Where $2 a day somewhere else may be equal to $50 a day in the United States.
I used to think like that until I saw something in the Phillipines where the "slave labour" were living in the trade free areas compounds. These compounds housed the workers and the factories where they sewed clothing. Given that the living quaters was taken care of, the workers only had to pay for food / clothing / supplies.

They were paid just enough to eat once a day provided that they met their quotas. I remember thinking that this was horrible and that they were slaves. Some thought it was ok, some complained, and some went on strike.

The ones who went on strike were fired. The labour laws are different over there. They protested. The local police came and shot into the crowd.

I still remember seeing that.

For that reason, I try to only buy stuff made in North America as my belief (naive as it might be) is that there aren't legal sweatshops over here. Is it the lowest price? Nope. Fortunately, I have an occupation / salary that allows me that luxury. I just have problems thinking that me purchasing this item that was crafted over there was helping support that oppressive structure.
 
Does anyone else just think waldomart is a pain in the ass to shop in? The only way you can navigate through the fucking store is if you bring a few offensive tackles with you to clear a path. The people working there normally don't have any clue what they are doing. There are too many fat people, you don't stand a chance at getting through the snack food aisle. On top of that, your odds of being run over by a red neck in a jacked up pick up truck in the parking lot are quite high.
 
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I hate to say it... NO WAIT I dont hate to say it..

but if you're white and you shop in Wal Mart.. you need to get some fucking pride.

thats just sad.
 
Nice One, you racist asswipe!
 
yes

but we deserve it... because we KICK ASS YEEEEEHAW!!!!!!!!!!

I WANT MY SUV I WANT MY MTV I WANT MY SUV I WANT MY MTV

come on now chant it with me

I WANT MY SUV I WANT MY MTV I WANT MY SUV I WANT MY MTV
 
Y_Lifter said:
America = Wasteful

We use 70% of the world's resources with only 6% of the population...

give up your electricity and cars then,
 
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no way... everytime I see a starving kid in Africa on my TV with that fat ass Sally Struthers begging for my money..

Im going to drive down to 7-11 buy some ice cream and leave ALL the light on in my house while Im gone!!
 
Y_Lifter said:


Heck no.. I'm a card carrying member of that 6%


:) welcome to the club.
 
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