The victimless crime of pot use meets harmless illegal immigration

[Lestat]

Ummm, aside from you and a few other burnouts on this board, I'm pressed to think of anyone outside of college (i.e. adults) who do that anymore.

And I find it most amusing that your solution to crime is to eliminate LAWS and not the BEHAVIORS the laws were intended to prevent. I imagine it is because you are wildly liberal and that being on the side of the law would put you on the same side as the United States Government and you couldn't countenance that.

If you had your way, we'd all live in total anarchy (i.e. no laws, so none of this pesky "illegality" business), on the beach, in a drum circle, doing bong hits. This may sound like a dream come true to you, but I loathe the beach, drum circles, and I find anarchy none too appealing. Of course, this would probably last for all of 48 hours until some country with its shit together (i.e. one with laws -- I dunno Paraguay) invaded our drug addled asses and began occupying your little utopia.

anarchy and no laws? I thought you followed my posts, but apparently not.

We'd have quite a few laws in our perfect world bro, you couldn't kill me, for any reason, except that I was trying to kill someone at the time first.

Stealing would be a big no no too.

We'd even have some laws against loud noises late at night and the such.

Anarchy scares me, and I think laws and their enforcement are quite important. Do I agree with every one? No. Do I do anything to intentionally endanger others? No. The laws you seem as paramount to our current society (since its so perfect I suppose) are the ones that limit people's individual freedoms. What they can and can't do with their bodies. That type of thing? I'd be against most of them. I'd prosecute the behaviors that were indeed wrong, such as murder and burglary, and leave people to do as they wish in private so long as it doesn't affect other's adversely.

 

[jaybois]

Ummm, aside from you and a few other burnouts on this board, I'm pressed to think of anyone outside of college (i.e. adults) who do that anymore.

And I find it most amusing that your solution to crime is to eliminate LAWS and not the BEHAVIORS the laws were intended to prevent. I imagine it is because you are wildly liberal and that being on the side of the law would put you on the same side as the United States Government and you couldn't countenance that.

If you had your way, we'd all live in total anarchy (i.e. no laws, so none of this pesky "illegality" business), on the beach, in a drum circle, doing bong hits. This may sound like a dream come true to you, but I loathe the beach, drum circles, and I find anarchy none too appealing. Of course, this would probably last for all of 48 hours until some country with its shit together (i.e. one with laws -- I dunno Paraguay) invaded our drug addled asses and began occupying your little utopia.

Lets create laws that ban fags and retards then....because those types are far more dangerous than pot heads.

 

[redsamurai]

I dunno.........all my engineering friends smoked COPIOUS amounts of weed. One of em is now designing high end aftermarket components for audi's and bmw's. Not only did he smoke weed all through college, he funded his education through selling it as well. I think the average "typical" american weed smoker is a far cry the fucking stoners you see in popular media. And also, more people sit around the house drunk and doing nothing..........so by your argument it is impertive that we also go back to prohibition on alcohol. But like I've said countless times, the only reason weed is illegal is because the govt. would have a heck of a time getting in on the action if it was legal. If the alcohol being consumed today was still of the basement moonshine variety that anyone could pretty much do themselves...........prohibition would have never ended. Growing a couple marijuana plants is just too easy and there's no viable way the govt. could keep tabs on it to tax it..............so it's illegal.

Let's see... pot is a drug that the NIH has directly tied to missing or abandoning education. As a matter of fact, pot was declared a dominant factor in the study and increased use tied-back directly to an increased chance of leaving school (so its even proportional in its use and its degree of damage).

We live in a society where everyone thinks its fair for someone else to pay for the downtrodden. Regardless of whether its free food, free healthcare, subsidized housing, educational grants, welfare checks and/or disability incomes, someone else is always supposed to pay.

So on one hand we have a drug that denies people one of the most critical factors to economic viability (education) and on the other hand we have a huge pool of downtrodden that someone else is supposed to pay for. You can have one or the other -- but both simply won't fly. Its true that I'm a libertarian, but I'm also 100% opposed to pot until it can be demonstrated that no American would ever, ever, ever have to pay for someone else who chose to sit around smoking pot instead of pursuing and education and trying to be successful in life.

 

[mrplunkey]

I dunno.........all my engineering friends smoked COPIOUS amounts of weed. One of em is now designing high end aftermarket components for audi's and bmw's. Not only did he smoke weed all through college, he funded his education through selling it as well.

This is also know as the: "I once knew this guy who was a genius and smoked pot" argument. It has to be the weakest, most pathetic stoner argument of all time. You know, I once knew a guy who smoked cigarettes who lived to be 100. Maybe we should issue cigs to kids in kindergarden so they too can live to 100 years old.

Here are the undeniable facts:

1) There is a direct link between level of education and success. Sure you know this guy who dropped out of college and is rich now, blah blah. See comment above.

2) There is a direct link between smoking pot and dropping out of or missing school. As a matter of fact, its a dominant factor, not just a contributor. And to ice the cake, the more you smoke the greater your chances of missing or dropping out of school are -- so its even a graded response. In scientific study circles, that's not just a smoking gun. That's a smoking gun covered in DNA with a high resolution videotape of the shooter reading his signed confession before shooting the victim on the same tape.

3) Liberal stoners who lament the troubles of the downtrodden and poor are the same guys who keep these drug supply chains nice and full of product. If they really want to help the poor, they shouldn't be shoveling money into the projects but instead should be shoveling pot out.

I love watching all these "we can always give more to help the little guy out" liberals tell me how mean-spirited conservatives are. Want to know what's mean? What's mean is continuing to drive the supply chains of a drug that destroys millions of educational opportunities and imprisons people in a life of poverty and crime for one generation after another. But who knows? Maybe that's why liberals are always wanting to shove more money their way -- guilt over their inability to put down the blunt?

 

[mrplunkey]

Ummm, aside from you and a few other burnouts on this board, I'm pressed to think of anyone outside of college (i.e. adults) who do that anymore.

And I find it most amusing that your solution to crime is to eliminate LAWS and not the BEHAVIORS the laws were intended to prevent. I imagine it is because you are wildly liberal and that being on the side of the law would put you on the same side as the United States Government and you couldn't countenance that.

If you had your way, we'd all live in total anarchy (i.e. no laws, so none of this pesky "illegality" business), on the beach, in a drum circle, doing bong hits. This may sound like a dream come true to you, but I loathe the beach, drum circles, and I find anarchy none too appealing. Of course, this would probably last for all of 48 hours until some country with its shit together (i.e. one with laws -- I dunno Paraguay) invaded our drug addled asses and began occupying your little utopia.

+1

Hell^Yes

 

[miplank]

Bottom line is...People are going to use whatever drugs they feel like. The government is never going to stop it. I don't think we should legalize any of them, because I think that would make the problem much worse in some aspects.

BUT...

I do think that if anyone wanting to get any sort of government assistance should have to par-take in frequent random drug screens, and one slip up and they are on their own.

you wanna smoke some pot, or whatever. Pay for it yourself!

 

[binö]

This is also know as the: "I once knew this guy who was a genius and smoked pot" argument. It has to be the weakest, most pathetic stoner argument of all time. You know, I once knew a guy who smoked cigarettes who lived to be 100. Maybe we should issue cigs to kids in kindergarden so they too can live to 100 years old.

Here are the undeniable facts:

1) There is a direct link between level of education and success. Sure you know this guy who dropped out of college and is rich now, blah blah. See comment above.

2) There is a direct link between smoking pot and dropping out of or missing school. As a matter of fact, its a dominant factor, not just a contributor. And to ice the cake, the more you smoke the greater your chances of missing or dropping out of school are -- so its even a graded response. In scientific study circles, that's not just a smoking gun. That's a smoking gun covered in DNA with a high resolution videotape of the shooter reading his signed confession before shooting the victim on the same tape.

3) Liberal stoners who lament the troubles of the downtrodden and poor are the same guys who keep these drug supply chains nice and full of product. If they really want to help the poor, they shouldn't be shoveling money into the projects but instead should be shoveling pot out.

I love watching all these "we can always give more to help the little guy out" liberals tell me how mean-spirited conservatives are. Want to know what's mean? What's mean is continuing to drive the supply chains of a drug that destroys millions of educational opportunities and imprisons people in a life of poverty and crime for one generation after another. But who knows? Maybe that's why liberals are always wanting to shove more money their way -- guilt over their inability to put down the blunt?

please provide proof for this, i'd imagine somesort of study was done?
and yeah, the ancedotal agruements are not definitive, but i'm seeing a trend here...a lotta people on this thread happen to know people (gasp!) that smoke weed and lead productive lives. it's not just a few people.
is it a concidence that myself, lestat, stilleto, all smoke/have smoked and aren't burnouts with no degreess?
we all have degrees, all fairly stable, and yet we blaze.
i think you are way overestimated weed...just like people can responsibly use AAS, they can responsibly use weed

 

[jerseyrugger76]

Lets create laws that ban fags and retards then....because those types are far more dangerous than pot heads.

Well, at least we'll be banished together.

 

[Lestat]

This is also know as the: "I once knew this guy who was a genius and smoked pot" argument. It has to be the weakest, most pathetic stoner argument of all time. You know, I once knew a guy who smoked cigarettes who lived to be 100. Maybe we should issue cigs to kids in kindergarden so they too can live to 100 years old.

Here are the undeniable facts:

1) There is a direct link between level of education and success. Sure you know this guy who dropped out of college and is rich now, blah blah. See comment above.

2) There is a direct link between smoking pot and dropping out of or missing school. As a matter of fact, its a dominant factor, not just a contributor. And to ice the cake, the more you smoke the greater your chances of missing or dropping out of school are -- so its even a graded response. In scientific study circles, that's not just a smoking gun. That's a smoking gun covered in DNA with a high resolution videotape of the shooter reading his signed confession before shooting the victim on the same tape.

3) Liberal stoners who lament the troubles of the downtrodden and poor are the same guys who keep these drug supply chains nice and full of product. If they really want to help the poor, they shouldn't be shoveling money into the projects but instead should be shoveling pot out.

I love watching all these "we can always give more to help the little guy out" liberals tell me how mean-spirited conservatives are. Want to know what's mean? What's mean is continuing to drive the supply chains of a drug that destroys millions of educational opportunities and imprisons people in a life of poverty and crime for one generation after another. But who knows? Maybe that's why liberals are always wanting to shove more money their way -- guilt over their inability to put down the blunt?

Mrplunkey, I suggest you look into the facts and stop relying on proapganda so much.

here is a book that was used in one of my college courses, I think you could greatly benefit from it.

http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Myt...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218309582&sr=8-1


Again, this book is based on scientific study and evidence, not heavily funded proapgana. It was written by M.D.s and Ph.D.s and is used as a text book in many college classrooms.

I think you'l be quite surprised at what the facts actually are.

 

[enigma4dub]

having gone to a party school in cali (chico state) i saw firsthand what alcohol can do to a student. where is the outcry for alcohol being the cause of societies ills? you either are an addict or you are not.

seems awfully convenient that one can hide behind a prescription for the joose, drink on occasion and at the same time look down on the reefer heads and say its all your fault, marijuana = devil.