The Vick Case

[Lestat]

The Rick Tocchet case which involved an illegal gambling ring in New Jersey landed one guy 5 years....and Tocchet has not been sentenced on State charges yet....he received 2 years probation for Federal charges since he rolled on everyone.

They booked close to $2 Million in the week before last years Super Bowl..

yeah i can see why 2 million would raise some eyebrows

 

[jh1]

The Rick Tocchet case which involved an illegal gambling ring in New Jersey landed one guy 5 years....and Tocchet has not been sentenced on State charges yet....he received 2 years probation for Federal charges since he rolled on everyone.

They booked close to $2 Million in the week before last years Super Bowl..

Are you a prosecuter or something?

FED ALERT

 

[digimon7068]

They were betting on games, not running the rings.

not in tocchet's case. . .he and a state police officer from new jersey were part of the ring and there was conjecture that janet gretzky was involved as more than just a gambler. . .they all walked. . .shit. . .a week after they walked, they were both in a televised texas hold'em tournament. . .givin' the finger to the man. . .

 

[gotmilk]

add another $1.6 Million over a 40 day period for non-Super Bowl bets...

The head guy is sentenced Friday

 

[digimon7068]

add another $1.6 Million over a 40 day period for non-Super Bowl bets...

The head guy is sentenced Friday

yeah. . .the people no one has ever heard of got to do the time. . .shocker. . .

 

[Phaded]

an interesting point about pit bull's not that I'm condoning fighting but weren't pit bulls bread to dog fight.. dogs are at their happiest when they are doing what they were born to do..

so honestly its kind of a weird situation.. i watched the special on hbo about what they do to losing dogs and how they steal peoples non-fighting pits from their back yards and throw em in the ring with fighters and they just get demolished and tossed back on the street..

i pretty much broke down and cried when i saw how inhumane these pits were treated..

in a perfect world i wouldn't have a problem with pitbull fighting as its what they were born to do..

 

[digimon7068]

an interesting point about pit bull's not that I'm condoning fighting but weren't pit bulls bread to dog fight.. dogs are at their happiest when they are doing what they were born to do..

so honestly its kind of a weird situation.. i watched the special on hbo about what they do to losing dogs and how they steal peoples non-fighting pits from their back yards and throw em in the ring with fighters and they just get demolished and tossed back on the street..

i pretty much broke down and cried when i saw how inhumane these pits were treated..

in a perfect world i wouldn't have a problem with pitbull fighting as its what they were born to do..

in the town where i grew up, there were a couple of fairly large breeders. . .this was back in the day, before people even knew what pitbulls were. . .at the time they weren't even recognized as a legitimate breed by the akc. . .these people lived out in the sticks and pretty much minded their own business so, even though people knew what they were up to, no one ever bothered them. . .plus these people were bad-asses. . .not the kind of people that you went out of your way to fuck with.

anyway, due to the breeders in the area, there were always a lot of pitbulls around town. . .unlike vick and his boys (and probably a lot of other breeders), these guys took their non-aggressive dogs and just gave them away to people that turned them into pets. . .generally speaking, a little non-aggressive 45lb female pitbull can make a pretty decent pet. . .they're very playful, intelligent and extremely loyal. . .however, the males (for the most part they kept the males for fighting purposes) that were large and aggressive, after they had been trained as pit dogs, were pretty much useless as pets. . .even though these guys were extremely "humane" (as humane as a dog-fighter can be) by today's standards, the trained dogs were pretty dangerous. . .they were extremely aggressive, they weighed around 100lbs, they were solid muscle and they didn't know fear. . .even if they were being chewed to pieces, they did not surrender or show their belly. . .these dogs are very game and even though the "sport" (for want of a better term) is gruesome and despicable, there is something beautiful, pure and mystical about a being that will willingly fight to the death.

as far as what they were "born to do", that's kind of debatable. . .wolves were "born to" track down, kill and eat caribou. . .the american staffordshire (pit) bull terrier is a product of selective cross-breeding to develop a dog that possessed specific genetic qualities. . .fighting is what they were "bred to do". . .

 

[Phaded]

in the town where i grew up, there were a couple of fairly large breeders. . .this was back in the day, before people even knew what pitbulls were. . .at the time they weren't even recognized as a legitimate breed by the akc. . .these people lived out in the sticks and pretty much minded their own business so, even though people knew what they were up to, no one ever bothered them. . .plus these people were bad-asses. . .not the kind of people that you went out of your way to fuck with.

anyway, due to the breeders in the area, there were always a lot of pitbulls around town. . .unlike vick and his boys (and probably a lot of other breeders), these guys took their non-aggressive dogs and just gave them away to people that turned them into pets. . .generally speaking, a little non-aggressive 45lb female pitbull can make a pretty decent pet. . .they're very playful, intelligent and extremely loyal. . .however, the males (for the most part they kept the males for fighting purposes) that were large and aggressive, after they had been trained as pit dogs, were pretty much useless as pets. . .even though these guys were extremely "humane" (as humane as a dog-fighter can be) by today's standards, the trained dogs were pretty dangerous. . .they were extremely aggressive, they weighed around 100lbs, they were solid muscle and they didn't know fear. . .even if they were being chewed to pieces, they did not surrender or show their belly. . .these dogs are very game and even though the "sport" (for want of a better term) is gruesome and despicable, there is something beautiful, pure and mystical about a being that will willingly fight to the death.

as far as what they were "born to do", that's kind of debatable. . .wolves were "born to" track down, kill and eat caribou. . .the american staffordshire (pit) bull terrier is a product of selective cross-breeding to develop a dog that possessed specific genetic qualities. . .fighting is what they were "bred to do". . .

very interesting.. i have no problem with a dog doing what it was born to do(fighting).. my quarrel is basically how they treat the losers and what they do to obtain winners..

when money is involved emotions get involved and thats when they fuck up and torture these animals..

on hbo these guys were kicking the fuck out of this little 50 lb pitbull you could tell it was scared to death.. like 4 dudes just kicking this dog then they threw it in the pit with another big ass pit and it just got destroyed layed on its back with the quickness.. i might be a pussy but i cried over that just thought it was so ridiculous that someone can be as heartless to treat an animal like that than to throw it in a battle when its already devastated..

i think adding gambling into pit fighting create people who 'have' to have winners which create people like the four fucken dudes who will beat up a little dog and laugh.

i'd assume thats why pit fighting is outlawed...

if you have a soft heart i wouldn't recommend watching that special on hbo.. but its pretty interesting i stopped watching right when i saw those dudes fucken up that little pit..

 

[jh1]

as far as what they were "born to do", that's kind of debatable. . .wolves were "born to" track down, kill and eat caribou. . .the american staffordshire (pit) bull terrier is a product of selective cross-breeding to develop a dog that possessed specific genetic qualities. . .fighting is what they were "bred to do". . .

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Otherwise you could say the same thing about the offspring of slaves....

Another being doesn't get to determine what you were 'born to do'....

 

[digimon7068]

very interesting.. i have no problem with a dog doing what it was born to do(fighting).. my quarrel is basically how they treat the losers and what they do to obtain winners..

when money is involved emotions get involved and thats when they fuck up and torture these animals..

on hbo these guys were kicking the fuck out of this little 50 lb pitbull you could tell it was scared to death.. like 4 dudes just kicking this dog then they threw it in the pit with another big ass pit and it just got destroyed layed on its back with the quickness.. i might be a pussy but i cried over that just thought it was so ridiculous that someone can be as heartless to treat an animal like that than to throw it in a battle when its already devastated..

i think adding gambling into pit fighting create people who 'have' to have winners which create people like the four fucken dudes who will beat up a little dog and laugh.

i'd assume thats why pit fighting is outlawed...

if you have a soft heart i wouldn't recommend watching that special on hbo.. but its pretty interesting i stopped watching right when i saw those dudes fucken up that little pit..

it's wrong. . .and even in a "fair fight" type situation. . .where the dogs are both aggressive and of equal weight, age, etc. it's horrifying to watch. . .i've never actually been to a fight but one of my best friends all through grade school and high school, his dad was one of the breeders. . .i was at his house numerous times and i've watched dogs lock-up. . .it's fucked-up. . .they're wicked strong, especially their front legs that they use to wrestle for position while they're jaws are locked. . .and getting them apart after they're locked up is down-right scary. . .it takes about 4 people. . .one person to hold each dog (as best they can) and one person on each dog to pull the dog's ear open and put a stick or something down into the dog's ear canal which irritates the shit out of them and then they un-lock. . .hopefully.

it's a very bizarre, shady world. . .back then it was mainly white, redneck breeders around the country and the stuff took place in barns out in the sticks. . .usually along with cock fights. . .my buddy's dad raised fighting chickens as well. . .and the people involved were either bad-ass prison guard-types like my buddy's dad (people that enjoyed the thrill of fighting in their own lives and to which the "sport" was just an extension of that fascination) and creepy weirdo fuckers (jeffrey dahmer-types that got off on the violence and torture) and goofy-ass redneck's that didn't know any better and liked gambling on stupid shit like that.

it's strange to me that it's just coming to a head now. . .it's been around forever. . .and sadly, it's probably not going anywhere anytime soon. . .