Big Rick Rock said:
LOL that highlights pretty much every one of your posts... LOL
What the heck does that even mean , and who the hell are YOU laughing at ? Un;less you want to share your Humour with the rest of the class keep a cap on it , Mod or not . YOu have an Issue with the Merits of something that i have to say ? ARGUE it then , and if youre in the Right Il READILY bow to your superior methodoogy . But frankly , to this point you sound a LOT like a guy that watches a LOT of MMA and has VERY little Training under his Belt . When yoe asked about Martial Training you dnt talk about Teachers that youve met and trained under , you talk about STYLES and SYSTEMS - all of wich can be good AND bad
BTW- I'm not sure there is a "free hand" when you are applying a proper guillotine choke. I was always under the impression that the hand not applying the choke should be either:
We werent SPEAKING about Ideals , we were talking about a Source Video , and IN said Video the PERSON IN QUESTION has a Free Hand . You see , this is another Indicator of a person with more "theory" than experience , The long Time practitioner KNOWS that the Situation at hand is what matters - not what you WISH you could do , or what Position that you WISH youWOULD have been in . In THIS CASE he HAS a free hand , and I was talking about the Technique that he SHOULD have applied if he wanted to win FROM THAT POINT .
1- Over hooking the far arm and trying to bring both hands close enough to clasp together
2- Close to your body clasping with the choking arm trying to make it tighter.
You see , this second one I already Popped in my OTHER post . HAD he done this then Royce would have had access to his hands and EASILY removed them from him . My method makes the hands Inaccessable with any kind of helpful power behind them .
I could be wrong though... Lets hear from some of the blue belts.
Why ? the fact that ive choked out ppl with TEN YEARS of BJJ under their belts with this move isnt enough ? I dont have to be TOLD that it works . I have this stuff we like to call Time In in CMA . Its the number of seconds , minutes and Hours that you spend training - you know , TRYING things . And not just copying from Books and Videoes either . If THATS not enough for you Creutzfeldt Just "Vouched" that HES seen the move before , AND that it works . But what if hes not a GJJ Blue Belt - does that make him Wrong or a Liar as well ? Even though hes never met me before in his life and has NO reason to Agree with me ?
BTW#2-
Trying to apply a guillotine choke the way you describe, where one hand is on the guy's back and the other is around his throat is a very weak way to choke.
Im not talking aout he Hand on the guys back pulling him into you . You Clasp the Wrist or Forearm of the hand thats on the guys back/neck with the hand that has the Bone on the Throat . when you Rotate the Bone tward his Trachea and push it puts him in a Vice/Scissors he CANT Breathe , get Blood Flow , nor can he REACH the hand thats Applying the majority of the Force .
One of the best ways to break out of a guillotine choke is to get hand control on the hand that is around your neck and pull on it to relive the preassure...
And if you knew what I was even talking aboutyou would understand how Futile this action was . As in , how many muscles you would be trying to Fight against with how few .
And the Technique that IM describing makes the pressure NEARLY OIMPOSSIBLE to relieve in this manner , because you cant get Leverage onto th Fulcrum thats applying the force in question .
If the hand around your neck is clasping the other other "free" hand then you have to try to break that grip of the two and in the mean while you'll be getting choked out...
If the guy applies the choke the way you describe, the hands are not clasping
EXCTLY . Youre NOT relying on FINGER strength to complete the Hold . Youre Figure Fouring your PALM against your FOREARM wich is FAR more secure a way to apply pressure . And a lot MORE of it .
and you can easily get a good grip on the wrist/hand around your neck and pull back on it enough to either 1-Turn your chin into his body and relive the preassure of the forearm on your neck or 2- pull your head right out of there...
Thesae are both Rediculous unless youre Elastic Man . I dont know about YOU , but I can barely SCRATCh that part of my Back , much less supply enough force to Rip another Human beings arm off of it when hes doing a Triceps Extension or whatever . you can try to use yur mal Shoulder Muscles against that of his Triceps if YOU want to , but its Futile at best , and the other hand is NO help whatsoever .
Im sorry I KNOW thios Post is probably going to cost me som "Love Points" or what have you , bt frankly Im REALLY tryin my best to Be Ciuvil and not just Flame Outrigt .
Why ?
Because you basically , without coming Right out an SAYING so (wich is what someone with actual STRNGTH in their Convictions would at least do) are trying to act as if NO ONE cou;ld hae ANY sort of "Say" about Grappling if all of their Training didnt come from the Gracie Family in some manner , BJJ is a Decent sysem , but ts lacking in MANY things , Striking only einf ONE of them , not ALL . I like the Catch Wrestling Armbar better than the Gracie one , as well . Do you need to go "Ask A Blue Belt" about THAT ? You know how INSULTING that is ? Ive been Practicing MAs for TWENTY FIVE YEARS . I evn PREFACED my post by saying I many not be Describing my point well , so ASK if you cant see it mentally for CLARIFICATION . Did you do this ?
Nope .
You decided that because I was saying something that wasnt TEXTBOOK GRACIE or that YOU hadnt heard before that I MUST be Wrong . WHY ? Because NOTING works EXCEPT GJJ and BJJ , right ? Do you know how ARROGANT that comes off ? Especially when from the tone and Content of your posts YOU arent even a BJJ Blue yet .
You didnt say "Is there a Book/vid I can see this in ?" you didnt say "Ive never seen that before , let me ask my Teacher" you LAUGHED DOWN YOUR NOSE AT ME at the MERE THOUGHT that there MIGHT be a better way to do things than your appearant WHITE BELT has equipped you with the knowledge of .
This kind of thing is DANGEROUS to the MA community at large . WHY ? Because youre going to Scare some kid away from some PERFECTLY decent MA school some day because it isnt on your "Approved Styles List" You REALLY think that you know the REALITY of what works an doesnt becase you have seen a few Sportfighting PPVs ? You REALLY think that you know the REALITy of what Systems are BEST for Housewives and little ppl to use to get themselves out of Trouble ? Why , because ome Olympic Level Athlete does best with it ?
And before you DEIGN to THINK that Im some kind of "Fanboi" like you present yourself to be to me , I was at a Muay Thai class TODAY , and in the last month Ive trained with and In over ten styles of Martial Arts that Im NOT a Specialist in by ANY means . And I spar HARD and OFTEN . When's the last time you went into Bagua class ? Taji ? Xingyiquan ? No , Im serious;ly curious , How long have you been Training, and in what ? What Experience DO you have with Chinese Grappling and tyhe Systems that Apply it Heavily ?
Ill wager NEVER , and NONE .
Or do you . like may others think that all "Kung Fu" is the same ? "Kung Fu" in thuis Country is a Generic term LUMPING TOGETHER over a THOUSAND different MAs . So thinking that Fighting ONE "Kung Fu" guy is fighting us ALL and that theyre ALL the SAME is Arrogence and Prejudgement bordering on Racism . I mean , if its from CHINA it MUST SUCK , right ?
And until you do , refrain from thinking that you know enough to laugh at someone for posting something that YOU never heard before . It wont be TWO posts before another Jacob Creutzfeldt is there to Correct you .
Im going to end this now before I say something that I cant take back , but please , in future dont laugh Mockingly at that wich you have never experienced .
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