*The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruising*

[ProtienFiend]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

Pre-PCT is to be used BEFORE PCT!!

Aftr your Test/Deca cycle, you ar SHUTDOWN! The GOAL is to TRANSITION from SHUTDOWN, to INIHIBITED, to RECOVERED.

You can NOT just go from SHUTDOWN straight into PCT.

Let's say you run TEST and DECA for 10 weeks.

I SAY, rather than going straight into PCT, run Primobolan at 300mgs for another 4-6 weeks! This will allow the HPTA to BEGIN RECOVERING while your body still remains in an anabolic state. THEN, after the 6 weeks of Primo, RUN PCT!

So in actuality, you are recommending a taper?

-PF

 

[ProtienFiend]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

And gusy like Nelson and PP seem knowledgable as well, but I for one am always weary of those who are trying to sell you something, because what is their real motive? At first glance at all of this debate, I must say that I am leaning towards PP and Nelson. No offense to you Ross.

Agreed. I also think people here (all over the internet) are over medicating.

My first cycle: 250mg test e, 10 weeks, no pct. Recovered great, kept about 10 lbs (15 lbs total, 5lbs water or so).

Its just in contrast to guys spending lots of cash on their first cycle, running 4 compounds, and taking 4 more drugs for pct and keeping maybe 4-5 more lbs than I did.

-PF

 

[ProtienFiend]

Ok, now that i've finished reading everything (whoopee), its obvious that everyone is on the same page, semantics aside. Oral steroids (short acting) are suppressive but won't cause complete shutdown if taken in small dosages. Using short acting esters (or pre-pct) allows the body to begin to recover while maintaining anabolism (or preventing catabolism).

In my opinion, this is nothing new. I think most bro's on here are using winny at the end of cycles for this exact reason. None the less, welcome to the board Ross.

 

[digit0x]

Precisely!

At 10-15mgs ED, Dianabol will allow for partial HPTA recovery.

So will 20mgs of Anavar, 30mgs of Turinabol, 200mgs of Masteron, 200mgs of Primo, 25mgs of Winstrol, and 200mgs of EQ.

If you exceed my suggested dosages, you will NOT recover. At higher dosages, most of these compounds WILL cause significant HPTA inhibition.

These doses, are they a maximum? Have you tested these theories with more or less? Is there a cut off point or are you just making dose suggestions arbitrarily?

 

[Ross]

Ok, now that i've finished reading everything (whoopee), its obvious that everyone is on the same page, semantics aside. Oral steroids (short acting) are suppressive but won't cause complete shutdown if taken in small dosages. Using short acting esters (or pre-pct) allows the body to begin to recover while maintaining anabolism (or preventing catabolism).

In my opinion, this is nothing new. I think most bro's on here are using winny at the end of cycles for this exact reason. None the less, welcome to the board Ross.

You are CONFUSING the "Finisher" with "ACTIVE RECOVERY" bud.

A Finisher is a fast-acting steriod used at the end of yuor cycle's duration while long-esters clear, keping you anabolic right up until PCT.

Active recovery is AFTER your finisher, BEFORE PCT: 200mgs/Primobolan for 4-6 weeks AFTER yuor finisher.

 

[slimsc]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

... hello my friend ... can you give us a break down of the benefits of primo ... maybe a condensed version of the old "battle roids" over @ the other place ... ​

 

[snowyk12]

maybe Ive been gone awhile but Ill ask anyway...where is Ulter and Mr.X. Solidspine? What do you guys have to say about all this new info?

 

[Selene]

I will have to read this entire thread when I am not as tired as I am currently, I realize that recently there is much talk about differing opinions on pct some of which I do not agree with and would not want to be man and try out to find not work, but also everone's body is different and what may work for one person may not work for another...interesting debate

 

[jmead]

maybe Ive been gone awhile but Ill ask anyway...where is Ulter and Mr.X. Solidspine? What do you guys have to say about all this new info?

anafit was removed as a sponser, they are on their board..

spine is around still i think, unless anthony got him banned

 

[TrenAman]

DO you guys have any idea how long it takes to read 8 fucking pages!