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The OIL Solution is HERE!

See, there was nothing to worry about. I told you the government would save you eventually. You bozos.

r
 
Fucking retarded.

How can people not realize that its our own fault gas/oil prices are so high? Its called a weak dollar. Blame the entire concept of printing money.
 
Its ironic that now OPEC isn't cutting-back production to artificially inflate oil prices that NOW we want to sue them...

Our lawsuit is about 35 years to late.
 
75th said:
Fucking retarded.

How can people not realize that its our own fault gas/oil prices are so high? Its called a weak dollar. Blame the entire concept of printing money.
A good read for those wanting the "change" Obama is proposing.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed110607e.cfm

Tax Code Is Big Reason For Weak Dollar

"by Ernie Christian and Gary Robbins
The inherent strength of the peculiarly American version of free enterprise is shown by how long and how well the U.S. economy has been able to withstand the constant battering by wrong-headed government policies — but the bulwarks are starting to weaken.

Once upon a time the "greenback" was the world's premier currency. Now the dollar is cheaper in value than both the euro and the British pound.

In recent months, it has twice hit record lows. Every time our currency cheapens, the dollar price of oil and everything we import goes up.

With less purchasing power in the global marketplace, we Americans are poorer than we were before. We lose confidence in ourselves and stature in the eyes of others.

Currencies rise and fall against one another in international exchange markets on an almost daily basis and for a variety of reasons — including the recent expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve.

But the long-term weakness of the dollar is fundamentally the result of two failings.

First, we Americans do not save enough to meet the economy's requirements for capital investments.

We must, therefore, each year acquire from other countries about $700 billion of capital to fill the hole left by our profligacy. Second, and corollary to our lack of saving and investment, we consume more than we produce.

We must, therefore, acquire from other countries not only large amounts of their savings but also large amounts of their goods and services.

Because our exports (dollars flowing in, goods flowing out) are much less than our imports (dollars flowing out, goods flowing in), there is an oversupply of dollars in the international market that drives down the price.

The federal government is strongly implicated in America's spendthrift status, its enormous trade deficit, the weak dollar and the fact that most Americans are less well-off than they should be.

More than a hundred years ago, Henry David Thoreau (hardly a right-wing ideologue) had already tumbled to the sad truth about government.

He wrote: "The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in the way."

Insofar as profligacy is concerned, the federal government leads by example. For 24 of the past 30 years, it has run a substantial budget deficit, having spent more than it takes in in revenue — and when it does so, it reduces national savings.

Federal budget deficits are dissaving by the government in the same way that individuals dissave when they spend more than they earn. Most Americans follow the government's example.

Those who rebel and who do save and invest are punished with extra taxes. The government has for decades deliberately taxed income that is saved and invested far more heavily than income that is immediately consumed.

Gross private savings has been less than gross private investment for 26 of the past 30 years.

Not only do taxes on savings and investment weaken the dollar, they slow the growth of the private economy — often costing Americans $3 billion in lost incomes and jobs for every $1 billion of revenue yield to the government. The total cost of tax-induced collateral damage to the economy is about $2.5 trillion per year.

Now the Democrats in control of Congress, led by New York Rep. Charles Rangel, are preparing to kick up the deadweight loss to the economy by another $2.9 trillion.

That's a $2,600 annual whack for every family in America for the next 10 years — and that's only for starters.

To make matters worse — especially insofar as concerns the trade deficit — the government heavily taxes the export of American-made goods, making it hard for companies to compete in the global markets from their home base in America.

But when American companies flee this country and operate abroad — because of the penalties on exports or for other reasons — they get a tax holiday from the U.S. government, provided they reinvest their foreign-source profits abroad to the benefit of some other country's economy.

Woe be unto them, however, if they bring the money home to reinvest in America. The government will tax them.

No wonder the annual U.S. trade deficit is about $0.7 trillion and is equal to nearly 6% of America's entire gross domestic product. And no wonder those in other countries are downgrading their view of the American economy and downgrading the dollar.

Christian, an attorney, was a deputy assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Ford administration. Robbins, an economist, served at the Treasury Department in the Reagan administration. Both are adjunct scholars at the Heritage Foundation."
 
Let's sue our bosses. Fuck yeah! That'll scare those 9/11 fuckheads and force them to lower prices and lower their profits!.

r
 
javaguru said:
A good read for those wanting the "change" Obama is proposing.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed110607e.cfm

Tax Code Is Big Reason For Weak Dollar

"by Ernie Christian and Gary Robbins
The inherent strength of the peculiarly American version of free enterprise is shown by how long and how well the U.S. economy has been able to withstand the constant battering by wrong-headed government policies — but the bulwarks are starting to weaken.

Once upon a time the "greenback" was the world's premier currency. Now the dollar is cheaper in value than both the euro and the British pound.

In recent months, it has twice hit record lows. Every time our currency cheapens, the dollar price of oil and everything we import goes up.

With less purchasing power in the global marketplace, we Americans are poorer than we were before. We lose confidence in ourselves and stature in the eyes of others.

Currencies rise and fall against one another in international exchange markets on an almost daily basis and for a variety of reasons — including the recent expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve.

But the long-term weakness of the dollar is fundamentally the result of two failings.

First, we Americans do not save enough to meet the economy's requirements for capital investments.

We must, therefore, each year acquire from other countries about $700 billion of capital to fill the hole left by our profligacy. Second, and corollary to our lack of saving and investment, we consume more than we produce.

We must, therefore, acquire from other countries not only large amounts of their savings but also large amounts of their goods and services.

Because our exports (dollars flowing in, goods flowing out) are much less than our imports (dollars flowing out, goods flowing in), there is an oversupply of dollars in the international market that drives down the price.

The federal government is strongly implicated in America's spendthrift status, its enormous trade deficit, the weak dollar and the fact that most Americans are less well-off than they should be.

More than a hundred years ago, Henry David Thoreau (hardly a right-wing ideologue) had already tumbled to the sad truth about government.

He wrote: "The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in the way."

Insofar as profligacy is concerned, the federal government leads by example. For 24 of the past 30 years, it has run a substantial budget deficit, having spent more than it takes in in revenue — and when it does so, it reduces national savings.

Federal budget deficits are dissaving by the government in the same way that individuals dissave when they spend more than they earn. Most Americans follow the government's example.

Those who rebel and who do save and invest are punished with extra taxes. The government has for decades deliberately taxed income that is saved and invested far more heavily than income that is immediately consumed.

Gross private savings has been less than gross private investment for 26 of the past 30 years.

Not only do taxes on savings and investment weaken the dollar, they slow the growth of the private economy — often costing Americans $3 billion in lost incomes and jobs for every $1 billion of revenue yield to the government. The total cost of tax-induced collateral damage to the economy is about $2.5 trillion per year.

Now the Democrats in control of Congress, led by New York Rep. Charles Rangel, are preparing to kick up the deadweight loss to the economy by another $2.9 trillion.

That's a $2,600 annual whack for every family in America for the next 10 years — and that's only for starters.

To make matters worse — especially insofar as concerns the trade deficit — the government heavily taxes the export of American-made goods, making it hard for companies to compete in the global markets from their home base in America.

But when American companies flee this country and operate abroad — because of the penalties on exports or for other reasons — they get a tax holiday from the U.S. government, provided they reinvest their foreign-source profits abroad to the benefit of some other country's economy.

Woe be unto them, however, if they bring the money home to reinvest in America. The government will tax them.

No wonder the annual U.S. trade deficit is about $0.7 trillion and is equal to nearly 6% of America's entire gross domestic product. And no wonder those in other countries are downgrading their view of the American economy and downgrading the dollar.

Christian, an attorney, was a deputy assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Ford administration. Robbins, an economist, served at the Treasury Department in the Reagan administration. Both are adjunct scholars at the Heritage Foundation."

Summary: It really isn't a good idea to invest in America anymore because you get the hell taxed out of you.

So true!
 
You guys fail to realize our government is starving us of our own oil, look at the big picture sheeples, look at all these EPA laws, oh our poor environment, global warming is BS!! But it works great to kill our economy, making it so we can’t drill our own oil, china is drilling our oil and exporting it to their country, we can’t drill it because of our own epa laws wtf is that about? Look up the bakken oil fields( biggest oil reserve in American history), America has so much oil gas prices could be $1.00 a gallon for the next 200 years. WE HAVE OIL PEOPLE!!!!!!, WE HAVE OIL, WE HAVE NO NEED TO INMPORT!!! NONE!!!!

Gas prices will not lower, oil is a tool used to destroy America, and it will happen, our currency has to collapse so we could put in place the north American union. America, Canada and Mexico. ONE CURRENCY!. It wont work unless the dollar fails, thus, oil and global warming is being used to brake America.
 
javaguru said:
A good read for those wanting the "change" Obama is proposing.

Presidents are puppets bro, they all say the same shit, nothing ever changes, they all say change, they all say no new taxes etc etc. they do what they’re told. Candidates are chosen’s years in advance. Did you know Ron Paul is still running for president? When was the last time your heard anything about him on the news? they wont even say his name over the air. they dont want people to know he's still running because he's not one of the chosen
 
big_bad_buff said:
Presidents are puppets bro, they all say the same shit, nothing ever changes, they all say change, they all say no new taxes etc etc. they do what they’re told. Candidates are chosen’s years in advance. Did you know Ron Paul is still running for president? When was the last time your heard anything about him on the news? they wont even say his name over the air. they dont want people to know he's still running because he's not one of the chosen

That's because 1) Elitists pick the candidates for us (we're too stupid to pick ourselves) and 2) Ron Paul is slapping the face of the 2-party system. Can't have that.

Ross Perot, Nader, Forbes, all challenged this - but the system is very hardcore on keeping the 2-party system intact. It keeps control to the elitists who control your every second on this planet.

People love 2-party systems, because it reminds them of the super bowl, etc. They "love" a race. It's very fun. Obama/Hillary vs McCain, the race is on!!

r
 
exactly, i was just listening to a radio show yesturday about this subject and why Ross Perot dropped out all of a sudden for no reason, he was scared for his and his families lives. the man who was hired by the cia to assassinate ross perot was killed a year later because he refused to do it. funny stuff......anyways, Obama/Hillary vs McCain, VOTE FOR YOUR NEXT AMERICAN IDOL NOW!



Razorguns said:
That's because 1) Elitists pick the candidates for us (we're too stupid to pick ourselves) and 2) Ron Paul is slapping the face of the 2-party system. Can't have that.

Ross Perot, Nader, Forbes, all challenged this - but the system is very hardcore on keeping the 2-party system intact. It keeps control to the elitists who control your every second on this planet.

People love 2-party systems, because it reminds them of the super bowl, etc. They "love" a race. It's very fun. Obama/Hillary vs McCain, the race is on!!

r
 
MightyMouse69 said:
been investing in oil/gas stocks for about 4 months, its like free money.

my only regret is not jumping in last year.


A lot of people are doing that, and I'm afraid the bandwagon spectulators are part of why crude prices are going insane.
 
RottenWillow said:
A lot of people are doing that, and I'm afraid the bandwagon spectulators are part of why crude prices are going insane.


That's true to a certain extent, but they are just piggybacking on the fact that our dollar is worth jack dick.
 
big_bad_buff said:
exactly, i was just listening to a radio show yesturday about this subject and why Ross Perot dropped out all of a sudden for no reason, he was scared for his and his families lives. the man who was hired by the cia to assassinate ross perot was killed a year later because he refused to do it. funny stuff......anyways, Obama/Hillary vs McCain, VOTE FOR YOUR NEXT AMERICAN IDOL NOW!

The establishment will do ANYTHING to keep the 2-party system intact.

Wanna get really scared in life? Develop an effecient combustion engine that doesn't work off oil. Call the white house.

Tick down the hours you have on this planet.

r
 
Razorguns said:
The establishment will do ANYTHING to keep the 2-party system intact.

Wanna get really scared in life? Develop an effecient combustion engine that doesn't work off oil. Call the white house.

Tick down the hours you have on this planet.

r

Henry Ford did it 100 years ago! His ran on ethanol.
 
mrplunkey said:
Henry Ford did it 100 years ago! His ran on ethanol.

Gasoline back then was cheaper to produce, more efficient, easily available, and it's engines far less costly to build and less complex in nature (farmers in iowa could work on them).

Decades later, I still haven't seen an efficient ethanol engine yet that does all that (E85 flex fuel cars get less mpg, which kinda defeats the purpose for most people).

Instead, the trend now is hybrids. Which still doesn't solve the oil issue.

The big problem with ethanol is in the chemistry, said Henry Groppe, founder of Groppe, Long & Littell, an energy consulting firm in Houston. It takes more energy to make ethanol than the ethanol produces, he said. Corn must be grown, fertilized and harvested, which takes oil-powered machinery. It must be processed, refined and then shipped, which takes more oil.

"You're having to use as much oil to produce that gallon of ethanol as the energy that you produce from it," Groppe said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/4618413.html

r
 
Razorguns said:
Gasoline back then was cheaper to produce, more efficient, easily available, and it's engines far less costly to build and less complex in nature (farmers in iowa could work on them).

These features are all because you can build a gasoline engine to sloppier tolerances because gasolines piss-poor octane rating (87-93) versus ethanol (100+).

Razorguns said:
Decades later, I still haven't seen an efficient ethanol engine yet that does all that (E85 flex fuel cars get less mpg, which kinda defeats the purpose for most people).

A dedicated E85 vehicle will get great mileage with E85. Its the flex-fuels that don't.
 
mrplunkey said:
These features are all because you can build a gasoline engine to sloppier tolerances because gasolines piss-poor octane rating (87-93) versus ethanol (100+).

A dedicated E85 vehicle will get great mileage with E85. Its the flex-fuels that don't.

You mean 13mpg?

Gasoline produces 94% more energy than required to produce it. Ethanol is nowhere near that efficient. It actually costs more than sell it! (remove government subsidies, not a single person would make ethanol).

Dedicated - Who on earth would EVER buy a dedicated ethanol vehicle! Driving to vegas, low fuel - now what???

Ethanol is not practical on ANY front, and it's lack of market saturation in ANY country proves that.

r
 
Razorguns said:
You mean 13mpg?

Gasoline produces 94% more energy than required to produce it. Ethanol is nowhere near that efficient. It actually costs more than sell it! (remove government subsidies, not a single person would make ethanol).

Dedicated - Who on earth would EVER buy a dedicated ethanol vehicle! Driving to vegas, low fuel - now what???

Ethanol is not practical on ANY front, and it's lack of market saturation in ANY country proves that.

r

Well I'll be damned! I always thought BRAZIL was a country. Guess I learn something every day.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
jebus plunkey, you have really got to get a better understanding of energy as it relates to heat, energy of activation, EROEI, and basically everything else.

So I can run around citing the BTU capacity of gasoline versus ethanol? My problem is my car runs off explosions, not heat. Heck, my car even has this thing called a "radiator" that it uses to get rid of the stuff.

Maybe I've just got a special car. I need to find one of the ones that run off heat.
 
mrplunkey said:
So I can run around citing the BTU capacity of gasoline versus ethanol? My problem is my car runs off explosions, not heat. Heck, my car even has this thing called a "radiator" that it uses to get rid of the stuff.

Maybe I've just got a special car. I need to find one of the ones that run off heat.
meh, at some point you'll understand the amount of available energy in longer chain alkanes versus alcohols. Heat, resistance, gasses expanding...ya know... at some point a basic understanding is necessary to facilitate discussion.
 
nimbus said:
everybody start riding bikes
readysetgo

Get you out of your cars and on to bicycles, take you out of your homes in the rural country and into the city in apartments, easily controlled people in high populated cities, all by raising oil prices and for the sake of global warming caused by humans that doesn’t exist, its genius. What’s next? Take away our guns :xeye: oh but all these foreclosures and high oil prices and global warming are all coincidences haha
 
Razorguns said:
You find me an electric car, that gets 35mpg, 400 miles, and easy to recharge within minutes -- and I'll PERSONALLY cut you a check tomorrow. Then you and I will leave the country within 24 hours to make the announcement and get bodyguards.r

watch the vid bro, they were 100% electric, no gas, they would go like 100+ miles without a rechard and would go over 90mph...the goverment recalled all of them and then destroyed em...wonder why, maybe the no gas part :)
 
mrplunkey said:
Well I'll be damned! I always thought BRAZIL was a country. Guess I learn something every day.

Hey! I double-checked and BRAZIL is a country!

But wait... Razor presented his "facts" so confidently... so boldly... could it possibly be that....

He threw something out there that he didn't really know anything about?

Peshaw! Say it ain't so!
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
meh, at some point you'll understand the amount of available energy in longer chain alkanes versus alcohols. Heat, resistance, gasses expanding...ya know... at some point a basic understanding is necessary to facilitate discussion.

Yeah, energy is energy I guess. I'm gonna go stuff my backseat full of coal and run my car for two months straight based on all the BTU's I'll have stored back there.

Serious question here: Why did indy switch to ethanol? The cars used to run off methanol before that. Why methanol in the first place?
 
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