I have jumped up weight on creatine too and as you said we all know how that works and its all pissed out after discontinuing the sup. I can accept that these prodcuts are legit steroids, but i am yet to see or hear of anyone i know gaining what they do with lets say, traditional steroids/GH. In the end of the day like need2 said, its all personal and relative to how you respond to differnet compounds.