the most infuriating shit I've read in some time......

[musclemom]

fair enough, but men are created stronger, and used to oppress women and beat them and they were treated almost as his property, and without a man's seed, a woman's ability to create/nurture life is useless.

Well, actually that philosophy came about after the rise of the paternalistic father religion. There is more than one kind of strength, and there was a time that female strength/magic was respected. Suppression of women came about as a direct result of the suppression of mother goddess worship, suppression of natural magic, suppression of earth based spirituality.

Read "The Great Cosmic Mother" fascinating exploration of how our culture, today, developed the way it did.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Well, actually that philosophy came about after the rise of the paternalistic father religion. There is more than one kind of strength, and there was a time that female strength/magic was respected. Suppression of women came about as a direct result of the suppression of mother goddess worship, suppression of natural magic, suppression of earth based spirituality.

Read "The Great Cosmic Mother" fascinating exploration of how our culture, today, developed the way it did.

i dont like to read much, but ill keep that book in mind...sounds interesting.

a man can still beat in a womans stomach more easily than she can defend her body and the life inside...and many animals "rape" eachother and dominate eachother and strongest rules, etc... thats gotta count for something in devine plan and creation.

but im watching the fifth element and shes the devine one

 

[redsamurai]

man give me a break there are diff types of christians.. i guarantee if i told anyone in my family or any single member of my dads entire church about that they'd be appalled..

than where is the outrage my friend? where is the indignation reining down from the supreme pontiff or any of the other leaders of the the other christian sects? I can assure you it's not there. The vatican this week decided it was "high time" to put out a 10 commandments for "driving"......as if the original 10 somehow didn't cover what one did in a vehicle........but they won't touch this one will they? No they won't......and there's a very good reason for it......because they AGREE!!.....but they won't actually outright acknowledge they agree because they know how appalling it looks.......but they don't care because that's what's in their doctrine, which brings me back to my earlier point that christian are stuck in their dogma and have abandoned their common human decency. I agree with Musclemom...........however, in the case of rape i really don't care what your religion is.......shut the fuck up and take care of the woman who's just been traumatised beyond the average feckless males perception. I think it would be appropriate to assrape the aforementioned emergency room doctor to the point where he has to go have his asshole sown back up..........and then have another doctor tell him it's against his religion to minister to sodomites!!..........fuck!

 

[redsamurai]

a man can still beat in a womans stomach more easily than she can defend her body and the life inside...and many animals "rape" eachother and dominate eachother and strongest rules, etc... thats gotta count for something in devine plan and creation.

so because animals.......and I do respect animals.....but they are "animals".........anyway, so because animals do certain things in nature, we're automatically to adhere? Yes, I do believe we are animals to a certain extent......but we're also evolved far beyond the serengeti. What animals do in the animal kingdom is not a guide for us.......it just shows us where we came from.

 

[Spartacus]

you hate christians based on what one person did.. i guess i should hate all germans cause of hitler..

hitler was austrian

 

[5150guy]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19190916/page/3/



A man that refuses to give the morning after pill to a woman sitting on a hospital bed in a hospital gown after just being brutally raped..........has no usefullness to this world and should leave, and be helped in that persuit if he won't leave voluntarily. My god I hate christians more and more each day.......yes, I hate all religions.......but boy do I really really really hate these fucking christians. I really hope they do get raptured someday.........right into a burning lake of dogshit where they and they're dogshit eating brethren belong! Fuck all of them..........they've lost their common human decency and compassion......blech! But read the article to finish........an interesting point is made at the end..........how they whine when anything chrisitian is discriminated against, yet they so easily discriminate based on their beleifs. The late fuckface Falwell could call for a boycott of department stores that said "happy holiday's" instead of happy christmas............doesn't it just make you ill? I've had enough of these fucking low life's!!@

First off, how do you know that the attending physican in the rape case, Dr Gish MD was Christian? Big assumption on your part. He could be Hindu or even Muslim for all you know.

Second, this story is based upon the woman's report of the account. I would rather hear his side of the story before I made up my mind about him. The old addage of there being no pancake so thin as to only have one side is still very valid.

Third, the constitution and the ammendmends clearly state that the Government should not prohibit the free excersise one's religion what ever it may be ......"nor prohibit the free excersise thereof".

So long as the attending physican politely stated that his personal beliefs do not allow him to Rx the abortion pill and then he notifies her that he is going to bring in a different doc or make a referral I dont have a problem with this Doc's conduct and choice.


I think this statement towards the end of the article is worth mentioning again:

"In the end, the women in all of the incidents above were able to get the treatment they wanted, even if they had to go elsewhere. So one could see doctor refusals as a mere inconvenience. "In 99.9 percent of these cases, the patients walk away with what they came for, and everyone's satisfied,"

 

[AAP]

Really now, what do you expect? You have to already have a narrow mind BEFORE even falling into that conservative christian outlook and mentality. It only makes stupid people, more stupid.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Golden Delicious in 3...2....1...

no need, musclemom said it

if you dont want to do a job, in this case dispense a pill that contradicts your belief system, then thats cool. give the patient a list of options (which obviously include finding a pharmacist that IS willing to dispense, make sure you are sensitive to the patients feelings (ie be tactful) and thats that.

...although when the day comes when a corporation hires an athiest over you because the athiest is willing to do a wider range of work, you shouldnt call discrimination because your beliefs are an obvious hinderence to your ability to work, end of story.

im all for free choice. do what you want, when you want

...but pay the price of doing so

 

[binö]

First off, how do you know that the attending physican in the rape case, Dr Gish MD was Christian? Big assumption on your part. He could be Hindu or even Muslim for all you know.

Second, this story is based upon the woman's report of the account. I would rather hear his side of the story before I made up my mind about him. The old addage of there being no pancake so thin as to only have one side is still very valid.

Third, the constitution and the ammendmends clearly state that the Government should not prohibit the free excersise one's religion what ever it may be ......"nor prohibit the free excersise thereof".

So long as the attending physican politely stated that his personal beliefs do not allow him to Rx the abortion pill and then he notifies her that he is going to bring in a different doc or make a referral I dont have a problem with this Doc's conduct and choice.


I think this statement towards the end of the article is worth mentioning again:

"In the end, the women in all of the incidents above were able to get the treatment they wanted, even if they had to go elsewhere. So one could see doctor refusals as a mere inconvenience. "In 99.9 percent of these cases, the patients walk away with what they came for, and everyone's satisfied,"

good post, mods lock'er up

 

[redsamurai]

First off, how do you know that the attending physican in the rape case, Dr Gish MD was Christian? Big assumption on your part. He could be Hindu or even Muslim for all you know.

The good samaritan hospital in question is indeed a christian facility......look it up.

Second, this story is based upon the woman's report of the account. I would rather hear his side of the story before I made up my mind about him. The old addage of there being no pancake so thin as to only have one side is still very valid.

which story, there was a few of em............and more than one complaint filed against one specific doctor...............hmmmmmmm??........

Third, the constitution and the ammendmends clearly state that the Government should not prohibit the free excersise one's religion what ever it may be ......"nor prohibit the free excersise thereof".

As a healthcare physician who is readily accepts government funds in any way shape or form..............is legally, morally and ethically required to fullfill certain basic needs of people who come to him in certain situations. I think the rape case is simply self explanatory..........if you need further clarification on why a woman deserves to be given anything she wishes after SHE"S JUST BEEN RAPED............than I've got nothing for you, we are clearly two very different people.

So long as the attending physican politely stated that his personal beliefs do not allow him to Rx the abortion pill and then he notifies her that he is going to bring in a different doc or make a referral I dont have a problem with this Doc's conduct and choice.

If this indeed happened, fine. But again, in the case of rape........shut your fucking pie hole and give the woman what she wants. Like I said, if you're not willing to fullfill certain minimum requirements of basic healthcare..........you chose the wrong proffession and should excuse yourself from practicing it. There are sects of christianity that still disbeleive in penicillin or antibiotics.............I'm sured you'd be thrilled to hear that from your doctor as you're going there to get a tetanus shot after being bit by a rabid animal. Think about that for a moment and then please try to extend your umbrella of empathy to other situations..................like.................maybe rape?? If you went to your doctor with a torn open asshole you got from being gang raped.............you wouldn't be in the mood for a lecture on the immorals of man on man action would you?.......

I think this statement towards the end of the article is worth mentioning again:

"In the end, the women in all of the incidents above were able to get the treatment they wanted, even if they had to go elsewhere. So one could see doctor refusals as a mere inconvenience. "In 99.9 percent of these cases, the patients walk away with what they came for, and everyone's satisfied,"

Hey, right now it seems to be working out for the "majority" of people. The point the article was making is that these secular doctors are becoming more and more emboldened to making some sort of religious statement in their treatments. Please understand that this is a VERY VERY slippery slope.