the most infuriating shit I've read in some time......

[hanselthecaretaker]

A lot of people do.

I'm German and Iranian - let me tell you growing up was a real trip.

We all know Jews are the only ones we're not allowed to hate.

 

[velvett]

incorrect

according to that doctors belief system, the harm to the foetus (if there was one, and to his mind, there was) outweighed that of the mothers psychological trauma. hence he kept to his oath.

i think a lot of people need to shut the fuck up. at the end of the day, step back and look at the big picture - its the fucking morning after pill. there is a window of opportunity a couple of days wide in which to use it. there are dozens of pharmacies in any direction where she could obtain it.

is it inconvenient? yeah. is it controversial? yeah. is it likely to inflame a few people? yeah.

but for fucks sake, stop talking about it as if there were no other reasonable, workable alternatives for this woman. bunch of entitlement mentality having twits

PEOPLE

Seriously now.

This drives me.

The morning after pill is not the same as the RU486 pill.

One is to prevent the pregnancy the other is to abort it.

There is no real moral issue for a fetus by any doctor because there is no fetus within the first 72 hours.

 

[jnevin]

there went that hypocratic oath right out the door

Not really. She wasn't refused care, just that pill. She could find a different doctor.

 

[roadwarrior]

no need, musclemom said it
QUOTE]

Well said by both MM and you. Individuals and goverments should mind their own business when it comes to individual choices that do not hurt anyone else. As well as goverment not subsidizing, supporting or promoting one set of religious beliefs over another which includes atheist even if the country was founded on basic judeo-chistian beliefs.

S

 

[redsamurai]

She wasn't refused care, just that pill. She could find a different doctor.

let's say there was a pill that could negate an HIV infection within 72 hours............now say you got taken by a gang of shady mo's like pick3 in a bathhouse. What if, when you went to the hospital to have your asshole sewn back together..........you asked the doctor for that pill and he said it was against his beleifs to minister to homo's. Sure, you could walk your blown out anus across the city to another hospital that would give you that pill..............but wouldn't you just think the doctor a gigantic penis for telling you this as you're sitting there bleeding out everywhere with semen caked all over yourself...........I mean wouldn't you think him a dick 'just a little"??? Wouldn't you just want them to treat you, give you the damn pill so you wouldn't contract a terminal illness...........and then just go home and "try" to regain some sense of yourself?

 

[jnevin]

let's say there was a pill that could negate an HIV infection within 72 hours............now say you got taken by a gang of shady mo's like pick3 in a bathhouse. What if, when you went to the hospital to have your asshole sewn back together..........you asked the doctor for that pill and he said it was against his beleifs to minister to homo's. Sure, you could walk your blown out anus across the city to another hospital that would give you that pill..............but wouldn't you just think the doctor a gigantic penis for telling you this as you're sitting there bleeding out everywhere with semen caked all over yourself...........I mean wouldn't you think him a dick 'just a little"??? Wouldn't you just want them to treat you, give you the damn pill so you wouldn't contract a terminal illness...........and then just go home and "try" to regain some sense of yourself?

Are we turning this into a fantasy thread now?

 

[Spartacus]

Hitler is dead

too bad
the older I get the more sense his ideas make

in a nutshell
the weak don't reproduce and are removed from the gene pool

 

[redsamurai]

Are we turning this into a fantasy thread now?

I give, you caught me........


but seriously, think about it...........I'm not giving the example to be "pick3". It's just that it's the only comparable situation I can think of that involves a man.............no, I don't tend to contemplate gay rape much..........but you have to admit, it's a good comparison in this case. A guy just get's raped, and he's denied this "hypothetical" HIV vaccine because the doctor thinks he's a closet homo........??/

 

[GoldenDelicious]

when we're talking about a rape victim? Ok, a normal woman who just had sex the night before and forgot to use a condom, fine......she can hunt around. But not a rape victim in an emergency room.........and that is the "big picture".

Besides, I beleive the point of the article was dealing with the "slippery slope" principle. There are places already where a woman has to drive to the other side of her state to get an abortion or other services. If you let one doctor get away with this............there will be more that decide they're qualified to make moral calls on people.
As I said, someone who has benefited from government funds should shut the fuck up and do their job the way it was meant to be done. If you have such strong moral beleifs, fine........you picked the wrong proffession. Also, hospitals should openly advertise their bullshit if they're going to keep that up. But they don't because they know that people will stop coming to them. What a piss poor country we would live in if a woman who's just been raped has to consult some "consumer report" to see if her local hospital will adequately take care of her. And when I say "adequately"........I mean whatever the fuck she wants...........period!

oh what a load of crap. who are you, or a government official, to decide how a medical officer must act? does the medical officer lose their right of choice as soon as they don their uniform?

why should i even respond to you after your opening statement -

Ok, a normal woman who just had sex the night before and forgot to use a condom, fine......she can hunt around.

where did this distinction come from? that a woman tardy with her contraceptive choices somehow has fewer rights than a rape victim? because "redsamurai" decided? pft. and you talk about "slippery slope" LOL

also, whats this about "benefitting from government funds" and the idea that should you accept government enticements, you forfeit free choice? doctors are paid. theyre not property of the state. if theyre so dependent on government funds, surely it would be more logical for the government to represent the rights of women by changing its funding policy, rather than demanding that doctors, who are citizens, forfeit their rights as people? what kind of slipperly slope is THAT? today the doctors...which profession next? people need food...should we then command our farmers, who also accept government monies, to stay in their fields 24/7 upon proclamation by some government official or other because of some "need"?

america. the land of the free. LOL

i think the solution to this isnt to take peoples rights away. its to provide people with more options. establish a means by which women in rural areas or who have poor access to desired services (ie doctors who are willing to prescribe this drug) can obtain these drugs, perhaps via telephone consultations and express delivery, or whatever.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

PEOPLE

Seriously now.

This drives me.

The morning after pill is not the same as the RU486 pill.

One is to prevent the pregnancy the other is to abort it.

There is no real moral issue for a fetus by any doctor because there is no fetus within the first 72 hours.

oh. yeah. LOL oops

you listen to me though, velv - my sperms swim fast. FAST. they are to the vaginal canal what ian thorpe is to an olympic pool. 72 hours? pft. my sperms come out her nose before the orgasm tremors subside. hmpf